Please, lift the barrier, let us in!

[darkgold2008]

Dear Turbine Staff :
I believe that you've known pretty much about that Dungeons & Dragons Online China (DDOC) has basically gone to meet its maker. The agency contract between Turbine and Sanda (agency of Turbine in China) has expired. Sanda failed to make any profit on DDO in the past 2 years, in fact DDOC has sucked a fair amount of their money during the period. I can't find a reason for sanda to continue to sign the contract, which means that DDO would be kicked out of Chinese market.

The only choice left to DDO faithful players in China is to move on, move to other servers. I believe you have already noticed that, too. Lots of Chinese players have already created accounts on US servers. A major problem is that all IP addresses from China mainland had long been blocked by Turbine. If any of us want to joint the US server, he/she has to find a proxy sever, which delays package transmission and probably cost him/her some additional money.

I suppose you block our IP addresses to avoid competition between DDO operators in different regions. If so, now that the contract has expired, and DDOC is no more, why keep the barrier any longer?

Or maybe you've decided that it's better to block damn "Chinese jerks" out because some of us just can't fit into the atmosphere on US server. But you know, in any country, gamers always fall into three categories: The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly (or The Jerk, The Lamer and so on). If you don't like some of us, you may simply ignored them and I believe they would natrually form several small groups or guilds without bothering anyone else. Don't forget "The Good" ones.

Whichever reason it is, your blocking failed to fulfill its purpose. You (maybe) don't want Chinese on your sever, but there are lots of them popping up anyway. We are eager to have some time in DDO game (which happens to be on the US server in this case), but we're forced to endure the transmission delay and extra fee caused by a proxy server. So neither of us is happy. It sure is a good time to find a better solution.

Not every Chinese gamer is a jerk.
Not every Chinese gamer is mute (those who can't communicate with local residence of a certain server).
You should know that there are lot of DND/DDO fanboys (or fangirls) in this nation.
We deserve a chance to appreciate and enjoy this excellent game at such a special time.

So what do you say? Lift your blocking barrier, let us in, deal? Anyway we have to buy installation pack & CD-KEY as well as pay monthly fee. This is business, it is fair trade, why deny our right to be legal consumers?

A Chinese D&D fanboy and DDO subscriber

[Angelus_dead]

It's pretty sad they weren't able to make any profit. It's further sad that Turbine used development time to add features demanded by the Chinese operators.

As a side note, Turbine should have long ago added a keyboard-operable popup menu with the top 20 most important short questing phrases. Players would hear those phrases (and read them in chat) in whatever language they had selected locally. Many games have this feature.

That feature would obviously help foreign-language players be more accepted. Here's a quick guess of 19 good phrases: Yes, No, Hello, Goodbye, Thanks, You're welcome, Oops, Good job, Sorry, No problem, Attack, Retreat, Go, Stop, Monster, Trap, Follow me, Lead the way, Heal me.

[shadowking]

I think Turbine should let people in China have access to US servers cuz it means more money for them and the DDO players of China will rejoice but on the other hand I do not want to have to group with people who cannot speak a single word of english, I have done so before and it did not go good, we wiped due to a lack of communication with the person who did not understand english. So I think the servers should not be blocked but if you are to play on US servers please speak english.

[ArkoHighStar]

Originally Posted by Angelus_dead

It's pretty sad they weren't able to make any profit. It's further sad that Turbine used development time to add features demanded by the Chinese operators.

As a side note, Turbine should have long ago added a keyboard-operable popup menu with the top 20 most important short questing phrases. Players would hear those phrases (and read them in chat) in whatever language they had selected locally. Many games have this feature.

That feature would obviously help foreign-language players be more accepted. Here's a quick guess of 19 good phrases: Yes, No, Hello, Goodbye, Thanks, You're welcome, Oops, Good job, Sorry, No problem, Attack, Retreat, Go, Stop, Monster, Trap, Follow me, Lead the way, Heal me.

Other companies do localization. DDO is also available in Japan and is still doing ok as far as I know, much of the Asian soward and armor styles we see were made for both market.

[Stormanne]

I don't think that having the Chinese players on the US servers is a problem. Have had a chance to group with a few, once the initial language barrier is breached, things have ran along swimmingly.

[Aranticus]

Originally Posted by darkgold2008

I suppose you block our IP addresses to avoid competition between DDO operators in different regions. If so, now that the contract has expired, and DDOC is no more, why keep the barrier any longer?

DDO yao fang de bu shi ni men er shi na xie mai jin de. ru guo zhong guo zheng fu neng guan zhi zhe xie ren, DDO jiu bu xu yong zhi ji de guan zhi.

Or maybe you've decided that it's better to block damn "Chinese jerks" out because some of us just can't fit into the atmosphere on US server. But you know, in any country, gamers always fall into three categories: The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly (or The Jerk, The Lamer and so on). If you don't like some of us, you may simply ignored them and I believe they would natrually form several small groups or guilds without bothering anyone else. Don't forget "The Good" ones.

you bu dui, kan shang main de na yi ju. zai zhe shi, mai jin de hai shi be zheng shi you xi de gen duo.

Whichever reason it is, your blocking failed to fulfill its purpose. You (maybe) don't want Chinese on your sever, but there are lots of them popping up anyway. We are eager to have some time in DDO game (which happens to be on the US server in this case), but we're forced to endure the transmission delay and extra fee caused by a proxy server. So neither of us is happy. It sure is a good time to find a better solution.

ru guo mei you de hua, hui you gen duo mai jin de. zhe li the ren hui ying wei ta men er gen fan.

Not every Chinese gamer is a jerk. zai china DDO mei guan bi qian, da duo shi mai jin de. ta men dou shi za sui
Not every Chinese gamer is mute (those who can't communicate with local residence of a certain server). dan shi hen duo ye bu hui yong ying yu gou tong.
You should know that there are lot of DND/DDO fanboys (or fangirls) in this nation. ru guo zhen shi na me duo, china DDO jiu bu hui dao le.
We deserve a chance to appreciate and enjoy this excellent game at such a special time. mei guo peng you ye shi yi yang, xu you yi ge quai le de shi jian, dan ru you mai jin de, na li ke you you ge tong kuai de shi jian?

So what do you say? Lift your blocking barrier, let us in, deal? Anyway we have to buy installation pack & CD-KEY as well as pay monthly fee. This is business, it is fair trade, why deny our right to be legal consumers?

you mei you xiang guo, you ke neng shi zhong guo zheng fu dang zhu ni meng er bu shi DDO?

A Chinese D&D fanboy and DDO subscriber

kan yi shang hong she de zi

[Angelus_dead]

Originally Posted by ArkoHighStar

Other companies do localization.

Localization is not relevant.

Originally Posted by ArkoHighStar

DDO is also available in Japan and is still doing ok as far as I know, much of the Asian soward and armor styles we see were made for both market.

Ha ha. It wasn't the armor that was designed for the Asian market! It was a little thing called "P V P". They added it because the Asian customer (was said to) demand it, but they did a bad job that wouldn't satisfy anyone who actually cares about PVP when choosing a game.

[debo]

Originally Posted by Angelus_dead

Here's a quick guess of 19 good phrases: Yes, No, Hello, Goodbye, Thanks, You're welcome, Oops, Good job, Sorry, No problem, Attack, Retreat, Go, Stop, Monster, Trap, Follow me, Lead the way, Heal me.

i don't see noob on that list. I DON'T SEE NOOB ON THAT LIST!

[Aranticus]

Originally Posted by shadowking

I think Turbine should let people in China have access to US servers cuz it means more money for them and the DDO players of China will rejoice but on the other hand I do not want to have to group with people who cannot speak a single word of english, I have done so before and it did not go good, we wiped due to a lack of communication with the person who did not understand english. So I think the servers should not be blocked but if you are to play on US servers please speak english.

or you could learn....

Award Winning Language Thread

[ArkoHighStar]

Originally Posted by Angelus_dead

Localization is not relevant.


Ha ha. It wasn't the armor that was designed for the Asian market! It was a little thing called "P V P". They added it because the Asian customer (was said to) demand it, but they did a bad job that wouldn't satisfy anyone who actually cares about PVP when choosing a game.

PVP was also put in for European and Japanese players as well, so how exactly was it wasted time and effort. You could just as easily say outdoor areas were a waste of dev time. It is all a matter of opinion, just like whether TS is a raid or not, the simple fact is Turbine made the investment and in China it seems it did not work out

[likuei]

People can read and write english even if they don't speak the language.

Good Luck. I hope your posting is being reviewed by the powers that be and something can be arraigned.

[smatt]

I echo this, they should drop the wall........ Mr. Turbine tear down this wall!

[Karr]

I seriously doubt Turbine has anything against Chinese people in general, or that they have a problem with getting more subscribers or making more money. If there is no issue of competition to consider, then I'm guessing the main obstacle would be opening up large numbers of connections to gamers trying to connect to a gaming server 10,000 miles away. People are already screaming bloody murder about lag.

[Aranticus]

Originally Posted by likuei

People can read and write english even if they don't speak the language.

Good Luck. I hope your posting is being reviewed by the powers that be and something can be arraigned.

heh if you were referring to my post and think that i'm being by being offensive to the poster then think again.

1. the poster may be able to post in english, but he may not be able to understand the slang of others, using pinyin will eliminate most of the misunderstanding

2. by posting in pinyin, i've proven that ddo players have the ability to communicate in other languages other than english and his assumption that they are discrimminated by choice of language is totally wrong

3. nothing in my post contained an insult

4. check my language thread out, i'm here to foster china and us ddo players together. communication is not single sided

[Strakeln]

Hey, we have nothing wrong with Chinese players on US servers. We we all taking Chinese language class last week, remember?

I'm wondering if overseas connections are blocked by default due to farming operations in countries where Turbine has no legal recourse?

[Aranticus]

Originally Posted by smatt

I echo this, they should drop the wall........ Mr. Turbine tear down this wall!

its not so simple, as with my post answering his questions, there could be several factors

1. if the wall is turbine instituted, then why? most likely is to limit the number of farmers and sellers, whom most are based in china, from operating in the US servers. almost everyday, you see a post here complaining about the sellers. if the wall is not there, then it is logical to say, that there would be more and thus you get more spam, etc. will the legit US server players like this? will it drive them away. this is a business decision which turbine has to make

2. the wall may not be turbine instituted but by the host country, meaning china. china is not a free democracy (yes, its still a communist country). information is often limited to select people (ie look at N korea, as of now, most of the koreans still think that their nuclear cooling tower is still functioning). there are alot of political stuff on the internet. certain keysites are blocked to prevent access (whether is it to stop the people from reading up political stuff or to prevent dissidents to post stuff). religion is also another area where access is restricted and dnd has a large number of religious tones (ie druids = paganism, clerics/gods = christianity)

[likuei]

It is not a well known fact that people in Asia and the Pacific are taught to read and write English; the Japanese spend six years learning English grammar in school (I believe Koreans learn four years, I would have to ask again). What they are not proficient in is speaking. In some areas, foreign speakers are not easy to meet, so its difficult to practice and learn the nuances of English. In this particular case, the OP has stated a clear case and with textbook grammar and wording. If there was a speaking barrier, make use of short sentences in the party window to avoid communication problems and use one word commands that are easy to understand (see above list). I doubt language/plat farmers are the motivating reason for the why the 'wall' is up. More players is good for business. My experience leads me to believe it has to do with your comment on restricted access (... to potentially un-national people/polices/political agendas, that could directly affect people here is "whatever country").


Maybe I was to simple in my support for the OP. I should have said: With the DDO Korea Guild and its fearless and fresh approach to the game, there should be no reason another group with a different language cannot find a home and be successful like they have been, here on the US server. With DDO Korea, the language barrier is being bridged, I'm sure as a collective, we can make room for more.


Back to the OP ... As i said before ...

Good Luck. I hope your posting is being reviewed by the powers that be and something can be arraigned.

[Rog]

this game has a world wide player base and there is no reason that chinese cant play i really dont care who you are where you r as long when you get into the group you know how to help and be a team member is all i care about p it does not matter to me. if your bloked by turbine its probably a atemp to block plat farmers not you all is welcome in my party and groups.
lunarsong
kyber

[Aranticus]

Originally Posted by likuei

It is not a well known fact that people in Asia and the Pacific are taught to read and write English; the Japanese spend six years learning English grammar in school (I believe Koreans learn four years, I would have to ask again). What they are not proficient in is speaking. In some areas, foreign speakers are not easy to meet, so its difficult to practice and learn the nuances of English. In this particular case, the OP has stated a clear case and with textbook grammar and wording. If there was a speaking barrier, make use of short sentences in the party window to avoid communication problems and use one word commands that are easy to understand (see above list). I doubt language/plat farmers are the motivating reason for the why the 'wall' is up. More players is good for business. My experience leads me to believe it has to do with your comment on restricted access (... to potentially un-national people/polices/political agendas, that could directly affect people here is "whatever country").


Maybe I was to simple in my support for the OP. I should have said: With the DDO Korea Guild and its fearless and fresh approach to the game, there should be no reason another group with a different language cannot find a home and be successful like they have been, here on the US server. With DDO Korea, the language barrier is being bridged, I'm sure as a collective, we can make room for more.


Back to the OP ... As i said before ...

Good Luck. I hope your posting is being reviewed by the powers that be and something can be arraigned.

i'm not american, i'm an asian CHINESE

[Aranticus]

Originally Posted by Rog

this game has a world wide player base and there is no reason that chinese cant play i really dont care who you are where you r as long when you get into the group you know how to help and be a team member is all i care about p it does not matter to me. if your bloked by turbine its probably a atemp to block plat farmers not you all is welcome in my party and groups.
lunarsong
kyber

lol lunar! i'm in shroud as we speak