Greifing? What are we 2?

[Maxwell1380]

Wow, congrats turbine, you have totally and genuinly confirmed what my mother always told me: No one likes a tattle tail.

I understand that cheating is cheating, and having been resed in the holding area via a deathpact spell, I would be a liar if I said I wasnt curious to see if I could, but I didnt, and I stood there resing my party members as they came to join me for our growing dance party. The fact is I chose to follow the formula and recall out rather than exploiting a rather obvious bug. Others chose to do the opposite. So what! So we whine to turbine that others arent playing fair? Jeeze people, just dont group with them anymore!

Wait, on second thought, the next time my ex wife starts greifing me maybe I could work something out with Turbine..........


Scribner 15/1 Cleric/Sorc

[Gol]

The "greif" was that if 1 of the clerics wanted to do it, the rest of the party essentially has no choice in the matter and get screwed out of completion and the part 4 chests.

[Maxwell1380]

Originally Posted by Gol

The "greif" was that if 1 of the clerics wanted to do it, the rest of the party essentially has no choice in the matter and get screwed out of completion and the part 4 chests.

Granted, but wouldnt it be better to just not group with said cleric after that point? Yes it sucks, but it would certainly teach me who not to trust anymore, and I think eventually it would have fixed itself after word got around from the people he/she burned.

[Lifespawn]

nope thats 30-40 minutes of my time wasted because some ****ant loser needs to cheat and decides they don't care about my invested time.

I never saw anyone use it but if it happened i would have reported them immediatley and recalled out.You want to cheat go cheat withe others that want to cheat don't waste my time.

[ShaeNightbird]

Originally Posted by Maxwell1380

Granted, but wouldnt it be better to just not group with said cleric after that point? Yes it sucks, but it would certainly teach me who not to trust anymore, and I think eventually it would have fixed itself after word got around from the people he/she burned.

Nobody likes a tattle tale.

[Aspenor]

Originally Posted by Maxwell1380

Wow, congrats turbine, you have totally and genuinly confirmed what my mother always told me: No one likes a tattle tail.

I understand that cheating is cheating, and having been resed in the holding area via a deathpact spell, I would be a liar if I said I wasnt curious to see if I could, but I didnt, and I stood there resing my party members as they came to join me for our growing dance party. The fact is I chose to follow the formula and recall out rather than exploiting a rather obvious bug. Others chose to do the opposite. So what! So we whine to turbine that others arent playing fair? Jeeze people, just dont group with them anymore!

Wait, on second thought, the next time my ex wife starts greifing me maybe I could work something out with Turbine..........


Scribner 15/1 Cleric/Sorc

If people had pulled this on my server, it'd be a lot worse than just being on my blacklist.

More than likely not long after being marked as a cheater/griefer (stress the griefer portion, not the cheat i dont give a damn about the loot) said individual would probably find himself with nobody to play with at all.

And ban himself, per se.

Too bad some other servers don't work like that....

[Impaqt]

Originally Posted by ShaeNightbird

Nobody likes a tattle tale.

Generally, its only the people who get "Tattled" on that have an issue with the Rat....

[Aspenor]

Originally Posted by ShaeNightbird

Nobody likes a tattle tale.

Nobody likes whistle blowers on Wall Street either.

But that doesn't mean it shouldn't be done.

[Laith]

Originally Posted by Impaqt

Generally, its only the people who get "Tattled" on that have an issue with the Rat....

heh, yeah. the victims and the rule-enforcers generally appreciate it greatly.

[cjschreiner]

Ok, wait, they exploit, instead of reporting with them, just don't group with them again. There are people in this game that I don't like playing with for 1 reason or another and guess what I don't group with them. Be an adult and try and choose who you play with

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Originally Posted by ShaeNightbird

Nobody likes a tattle tale.

That's the same logic that prevents criminals from being turned in to the authorities and that brings about the downfall of neighbourhoods. It is uneducated and childlike. Sometimes the authorities do need to be told if one person's actions negatively impact others. And when it comes to an exploit in the quests, you could well get banned with the person who starts using the exploit so its a real threat to you when they do something.

[wamjratl1]

It was greifing, plain and simple. Depriving someone of a completion, in a quest where there is a substantial reward potential for # of completions, is griefing. 45 min to an hour of playtime is a considerable percentage for some of us. If I had wasted it in a Shroud run and not gotten the completion because someone else screwed me out of it, you can bet I'ld be ****ed...

[DelScorcho]

Never bring the adults into something that can be handled better on the playground. Our servers are not so large that reputation doesn't matter ...

[Deadslug]

Originally Posted by cjschreiner

Ok, wait, they exploit, instead of reporting with them, just don't group with them again. There are people in this game that I don't like playing with for 1 reason or another and guess what I don't group with them. Be an adult and try and choose who you play with

I AM ALIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!1

So? Let me get this right. It has taken me 30 minutes to fill my group. I am finally getting to play the Shroud. I want the favor. I want and need the XP. This should be enough XP to cap my toon. We've been advertising for a needed Cleric for the last 15 minutes of the 30. We spend 15 minutes beating on Portals. We spend 20 minutes beating the random 4 big bags of hit points. We take 15 minutes solving all the puzzles. The whole group starts making their plans to go into pt 4. Who's going to do what. Out of the clear blue 3-4 minutes into PT 4 BLAM!!!!!!! Without warning the cleric broke the quest. He took my favor from me. He took my XP from me. He took an hour and 20 minutes of my game time from me. Oh well! No big deal, I'll show him!!! I won't play with him anymore!!??? ###@@ No more Deadslug for you. You're not allowed to play with me anymore. There!!! Blah!!!

I have to confess, that solution doesn't really make up for what he's taken from me. He'll do it again to 11 more people. Wait a minute. There's this icon up here that if I click on it and write a short description of what happened, the DM can do something to make sure he doesn't do that to anyone else. Also, you know what? This is crazy? Some people..... Hold onto your hats here..... Some people have more than one lvl 16 character I put the 1st one on my don't play with this person list. I can still bump into his 2nd, 3rd (sometimes up to 9th) character that will do this to me again. Reporting him and his cruddy behavior will stop it. Also if everyone keeps doing it, It becomes that much harder to find a group that will help me finish the quest.

What you were doing doesn't bother me. I'm always looking for better ways to beat dungeons. Someone used a spell in a manner that had not been anticipated. When I was playing Dungeon Master, players did this to me all the time. I remember rewarding them with XP for a brilliant idea that saved the party.
What bothers me is people doing this without keeping their party informed. If the whole party was in on it and had decided to do this, then I wouldn't otherwise care. If somebody decided to do this in the face and to the detriment of the entire party, then they are d-bags

I'm 19037, and that's what I think.

[silverraven]

The shroud wasn't shut down because of the tattlers. It was shut down because people are ignorant and don't play well with others. It's because 1 or 2 people took it upon themselves to deprive 10 0r 11 others of completion.

Personally, I'd rather just finish the whole quest rather then bug it. To be honest some groups have to exploit because otherwise they don't have what it takes to actually finish the quest the right way.

[DelScorcho]

Originally Posted by Deadslug

Wait a minute. There's this icon up here that if I click on it and write a short description of what happened, the DM can do something to make sure he doesn't do that to anyone else.

And so you hit the button, report the offender and Turbine shuts down the mission completely. You still don't get your completion, your favor, or your xp. And you wont get it for about a week. Even though you were the original complaintant, you are punished the same as the offender ...

[KoboldKiller]

I agree it needs to be changed however leaving it open until the patch next week would have hurt nobody. Closing it until next weeks patch (if it even happens) hurts those who run Shroud more than they do anything else. I know I'm ticked it's closed. The only thing I was looking forward to was finishing my min2 Dorf axe, seriously it was the only reason I logged on the past couple of weeks. Now I have to wait till who knows when to finish and I'm not sure I will even care by then.

[Lifespawn]

Originally Posted by DelScorcho

And so you hit the button, report the offender and Turbine shuts down the mission completely. You still don't get your completion, your favor, or your xp. And you wont get it for about a week. Even though you were the original complaintant, you are punished the same as the offender ...

but atleast the cheaters can't complete it either to let it kep going i could get screwed out of 5 shrouds in 1 day or more to just sit there and take it is stupid.

Those same people that used the exploit without a care for the rest of the party are the same ppl who spout their uberness i have 15 double upgrades blah blah blah **** off.

[ArkoHighStar]

Originally Posted by Aspenor

If people had pulled this on my server, it'd be a lot worse than just being on my blacklist.

More than likely not long after being marked as a cheater/griefer (stress the griefer portion, not the cheat i dont give a damn about the loot) said individual would probably find himself with nobody to play with at all.

And ban himself, per se.

Too bad some other servers don't work like that....

yep it appears that argo was not too badly affected with this, but yeah it would have been a big no no if done in one of the many regular cross guild shroud runs

[Altarboy]

Originally Posted by Impaqt

Generally, its only the people who get "Tattled" on that have an issue with the Rat....

Not where I come from