Earning Turbine Points and Existing Players

[Deaths_ward]

In the WarCry review (at http://www.warcry.com/articles/view/...-the-New-Model )

It specifically states that players can earn points by completing content on Normal/Hard/Elite, as well as for gaining favor.

This leads into my question of.............For those of us with more than 1 character that has more than 2,000 favor, are we going to be pooch screwed into having to create new toons to run favor and earn points or will we credit for the things we've already done.

I'd shoot a baby if I found out that we don't at least get something for all of our existing 'accomplishments'.

[wemery73]

thats a good point.Will be get point on the favor we have now.

[ArkoHighStar]

yes points should be retro active, becuase if they are not then you are punishing people who wentout and got all their favor

[Lorichie]

Originally Posted by ArkoHighStar

yes points should be retro active, becuase if they are not then you are punishing people who wentout and got all their favor

agree, the interesting part of the question tho is:

since points are account based, do i get points for every single toon on my account, for every quest run on n/h/e?

R

[Tolero]

There isn't a retroactive Turbine Points grant on favor you already earned before DDO Unlimited, but if say you're like at 1750, you'd start earning the points on the rest of the favor as you climb past 1750.

I should also clarify that I don't think the article worded it correctly. You don't earn the points for doing the quests AND the favor, they probably got confused about favor points vs turbine points You get the Turbine Points for earning favor, and you earn favor by running the quests.

Even though you don't get the retroactive points, you will get your VIP month points right off the bat once DDO Unlimited starts

Post Script: Oh and the favor points are per character, but your VIP monthly stipend is per account

[Lorichie]

Originally Posted by Tolero

There isn't a retroactive Turbine Points grant on favor you already earned before DDO Unlimited, but if say you're like at 1750, you'd start earning the points on the rest of the favor as you climb past 1750.

I should also clarify that I don't think the article worded it correctly. You don't earn the points for doing the quests AND the favor, they probably got confused about favor points vs turbine points You get the Turbine Points for earning favor, and you earn favor by running the quests.

Even though you don't get the retroactive points, you will get your VIP month points right off the bat once DDO Unlimited starts

...is there a possibility of striking a happy medium deal here? i understand, i think, that you cant do it retroactively. I'm sure it might cause some issues. Is there a way at least to mebbe give some additional bonus points to an account that has unlocked 1750 favor at least?
there's going to be a lot of unhappy folks here. Mebbe appease the masses just a little, not talking about a bazillion points, just something.

R

[Deaths_ward]

Originally Posted by Tolero

There isn't a retroactive Turbine Points grant on favor you already earned before DDO Unlimited, but if say you're like at 1750, you'd start earning the points on the rest of the favor as you climb past 1750.

I should also clarify that I don't think the article worded it correctly. You don't earn the points for doing the quests AND the favor, they probably got confused about favor points vs turbine points You get the Turbine Points for earning favor, and you earn favor by running the quests.

Even though you don't get the retroactive points, you will get your VIP month points right off the bat once DDO Unlimited starts

Post Script: Oh and the favor points are per character, but your VIP monthly stipend is per account

So the gist of what your saying is the one character that I have that has every quest available on elite on elite (save for some of the raids) that character can't gain any extra point so I'm bent over the table on that end.

[Tygre]

Originally Posted by Tolero

There isn't a retroactive Turbine Points grant on favor you already earned before DDO Unlimited, but if say you're like at 1750, you'd start earning the points on the rest of the favor as you climb past 1750.

I should also clarify that I don't think the article worded it correctly. You don't earn the points for doing the quests AND the favor, they probably got confused about favor points vs turbine points You get the Turbine Points for earning favor, and you earn favor by running the quests.

Even though you don't get the retroactive points, you will get your VIP month points right off the bat once DDO Unlimited starts

Post Script: Oh and the favor points are per character, but your VIP monthly stipend is per account

The fact that I've bothered to get 2700/2800 favor on every toon I play... is going to hurt me... specially when it comes to unlocking the character slots above 10... /sigh

[Lorichie]

Originally Posted by Tygre

The fact that I've bothered to get 2700/2800 favor on every toon I play... is going to hurt me... specially when it comes to unlocking the character slots above 10... /sigh

not completely. if there are other ways to earn those points, you'll be able to unlock them as well. if you so choose, you can also buy some extra points (no idea on price).

and of course the new content that comes with the launch will help since all points are by account. ten toons doing the same quests for favor will certainly add up to a bunch (i have no clue how much that is).

lets wait and see, i suspect that turbine wants us to unlock some spots, so i think they'll make it pretty simple. the most addicting part of this game is its myriad of possibilities when creating a toon, i suspect they'll use that to their advantage.

R

[Targonis]

Originally Posted by Deaths_ward

So the gist of what your saying is the one character that I have that has every quest available on elite on elite (save for some of the raids) that character can't gain any extra point so I'm bent over the table on that end.

I thought it was very clear, but I will try to explain it with a few more words...

For those paying the monthly subscription fee(VIP accounts), we get 500 points per month starting when the program begins.

As you earn favor on all of your characters from that time going forward, you earn extra Turbine Points.

You do not get retroactive points for favor earned prior to "Unlimited" going live.


Now, if you really want, you can delete a character, make a new one just to earn more favor if you feel you MUST get more Turbine points sooner(since you will be earning new favor), but it should not be seen as necessary.

Look at what you can get from the system before you start to complain about how "unfair" it is. It is like complaining that it is easier to get plat in the game today than it was when the game first launched. Does it REALLY affect you, except that those making brand new character can earn more "bonus" Turbine Points than established characters that are already at the 1750?

It may be that the people at Turbine may change any of these things between now and when they go live, that it the nature of anything that has not been released yet. Just remember that if you whine, rather than making a rational request with some logic to it, you will not only lose some respect of other players, but the chances of getting even a polite response will go down. That again is just common sense when it comes to dealing with other people.

[Tolero]

You'll still be able to earn the points on anything you haven't run yet (i.e. the things that are coming in 9, 10, and so on)

Also, even if you fill up all your characters favor on one server, remember that points you earn apply to your account, which can be handy if you were full up on one server, dont want to open more slots, and have room on alternate servers

[Tygre]

Originally Posted by Lorichie

...is there a possibility of striking a happy medium deal here? i understand, i think, that you cant do it retroactively. I'm sure it might cause some issues. Is there a way at least to mebbe give some additional bonus points to an account that has unlocked 1750 favor at least?
there's going to be a lot of unhappy folks here. Mebbe appease the masses just a little, not talking about a bazillion points, just something.

R

...but if a player, under the new rules, should be getting X Turbine points per Y favor as they level a character up and play it through the adventures, then I fail to see the difficulty in looking at existing characters and going, "Hrmmm, they have X favor, let's give that account Y Turbine Points"... perhaps by the vehicle of an NPC who would do this once per character (thus removing the possibility of multiple points per favor on one character)

[Tygre]

Originally Posted by Tolero

You'll still be able to earn the points on anything you haven't run yet (i.e. the things that are coming in 9, 10, and so on)

Also, even if you fill up all your characters favor on one server, remember that points you earn apply to your account, which can be handy if you were full up on one server, dont want to open more slots, and have room on alternate servers

... but as this is a social game, I'd prefer to run with the people/server I've been on for the past years.

And as far as deleting a character in order to roll up a new one... that would kinda be throwing the baby out with the bathwater as the *point* of the turbine points (for me at least) would be to regain the character slots I *currently* have available ... and the character therein.

[Lorichie]

Originally Posted by Tygre

...but if a player, under the new rules, should be getting X Turbine points per Y favor as they level a character up and play it through the adventures, then I fail to see the difficulty in looking at existing characters and going, "Hrmmm, they have X favor, let's give that account Y Turbine Points"... perhaps by the vehicle of an NPC who would do this once per character (thus removing the possibility of multiple points per favor on one character)

I dunno Ty, i suspect there's something we are not aware of. i suspect it has to do with the ability to check every single toon, on every single account, of every single player in the entire game. Im not a comp geek, i have no clue if that would, or would not be plausible. thats why i was saying a happy medium. (for example) every account that any one toon that had reached 1750 favor (and nyx already knows this, so its in the game) give them an extra 1500 bonus points. (number of points of course are negotiable. thats better at least then the current option of zero, and while it might not seem enough to something, it does say thank you.

but, its just a suggestion.

R

[Dark_Helmet]

Originally Posted by Tolero

You'll still be able to earn the points on anything you haven't run yet (i.e. the things that are coming in 9, 10, and so on)

Also, even if you fill up all your characters favor on one server, remember that points you earn apply to your account, which can be handy if you were full up on one server, dont want to open more slots, and have room on alternate servers

Yeah, a lot of people capped their 10 (or more) PCs favor wise and can't rerun stuff to generate the points...and can't create new PCs to generate the favor for the points because it requires the points to create new PCs....

Something is seriously wrong here for those who have been bored for 6 months: That means you have to start fresh on another server and generate it - not power level using their existing equipment.

And, we can't generate any of this until the true release of the new system. So, that will be 10-12 months of nothing new to play? Really?

I guess I understand why the EU is also PO'd about the delay to the mod 9 dungeons (not the SS).


I pretty much figured the SS was all about the new players and not existing (didn't think we would wait another 3 months for new content as all done under "beta" is for naught).

[Tygre]

Originally Posted by Lorichie

the ability to check every single toon, on every single account, of every single player in the entire game.
R

I agree that your idea has merit as well.. although I'm not sure exactly what flags are kept on a character sheet.

I would think that since the characters are kept in a database, it should be relatively simple to do exactly what you mentioned in you post... check every toon on every account on every player in the game.... just once... on the first login once EU opens.

[Aranticus]

Originally Posted by Tolero

There isn't a retroactive Turbine Points grant on favor you already earned before DDO Unlimited, but if say you're like at 1750, you'd start earning the points on the rest of the favor as you climb past 1750.

I should also clarify that I don't think the article worded it correctly. You don't earn the points for doing the quests AND the favor, they probably got confused about favor points vs turbine points You get the Turbine Points for earning favor, and you earn favor by running the quests.

Even though you don't get the retroactive points, you will get your VIP month points right off the bat once DDO Unlimited starts

Post Script: Oh and the favor points are per character, but your VIP monthly stipend is per account

sorry please dun sell me this logic. the stipend is what you get when you PAY for an account. it has got NOTHING to do with the favor points. no retroactive reward? i'm fine with it. but to tell me that i cannot even earn points for the stuff that i have already done? thats BOVINE FECAL MATTER!

do a survey, tell me how many people has done these quests on elite on all their toons
1. ww
2. stk
3. greymoon/co6
4. depths
5. vons
6. all GH
7. deleras
8. gwylan
9. stormcleave

i can assure you that at least 80% would have them on elite, 95% mostly elite. this is a large amount of favor lost

so what would i choose? of coz retroactive but if it comes to worst? allow us to at least be able to rerun them for the favor reward. if not cancel the favor reward. dun sell us a CON JOB

[Mani]

Originally Posted by Dark_Helmet

Yeah, a lot of people capped their 10 (or more) PCs favor wise and can't rerun stuff to generate the points...and can't create new PCs to generate the favor for the points because it requires the points to create new PCs....

Something is seriously wrong here for those who have been bored for 6 months: That means you have to start fresh on another server and generate it - not power level using their existing equipment.

And, we can't generate any of this until the true release of the new system. So, that will be 10-12 months of nothing new to play? Really?

I guess I understand why the EU is also PO'd about the delay to the mod 9 dungeons (not the SS).


I pretty much figured the SS was all about the new players and not existing (didn't think we would wait another 3 months for new content as all done under "beta" is for naught).

Congradulations. You figured it out… Cheers!

[kyebosh]

No sir I don't like it.
Retroactive please!

[Wizzly_Bear]

Originally Posted by Tolero

You'll still be able to earn the points on anything you haven't run yet (i.e. the things that are coming in 9, 10, and so on)

**** that

can we not, at the very least, re-run them after the mod hits and the re-run count?