The Definitive DR Thread

[xenxes]

I wrote a guide on this months ago but it seems to have been deleted... so here it is again from scratch (some info may be wrong and I appreciate any input)

Items:
Adamantine Heavy Armor - DR 3/-
Adamantine Medium Armor - DR 2/-
Adamantine Light Armor and All Shields - DR 1/-
Axeblock - DR 5/Pierce of Bludgeon
Spearblock - DR 5/Slash or Bludgeon
Hammerblock - DR 5/Slash or Pierce
Invulnerability - DR 5/Magic

Bramble-Casters - Gloves: Greater Spearblock (DR 10/Slash or Bludgeon)
Granite Plate - Half Plate: DR 2/-
Bloodrage Symbiont - Trinket: DR 5/-
Ironweave Tunic - DR 3/Bludgeoning
Titanic Docent - Titan Shield (DR 30/- and SR 30 for 15 seconds. 1 charge/rest)
Marilith Chain - DR 5/Lawful or Good
Scavanged Warplate - DR 3/Adamantine
Berserker Bracers - DR 1/-
Golden Greaves - DR 3/-
Stonemeld Plate - DR5/-

Feats:
Shield Mastery (DR 3/Block)
Improved Shield Mastery (DR 3/Block)
WF Adamantine Body (DR 2 Adamantine)
Barbarian (DR 1/2/3/4 at lvl 2/5/8/11)

Enhancements:
Dwarven Shield Mastery (DR 2/4/6 for I/II/III)
WF Dmg Reduction (DR 1/2 Adamantine for I/II at lvls 5/10, adds to Adamantine Body)
Barbarian Imp DR (DR 1/2 at lvls 4/10, adds to Barbarian DR)

Spells:
Stoneskin - DR 10/Adamantine


Blocking DR (hold Shift):
(BAB/2)+2
Shield DR (1 Light, 2 Heavy, 4 Tower)
Enhancement Bonus (5 for +5)
Shield Mastery (+3)
Imp Shield Mastery (+3)
Dwarven Shield Mastery (+2/4/6 for I/II/III)

Stackbility:
ONLY 1 SOURCE OF DR (Item or Racial or Spell or Boost, the highest) WILL STACK W/ BLOCKING DR.
i.e. going Warforged Barbarian is pointless in this respect (WF DR does not stack with Barbarian DR)

Max Achievable DR:

(Blocking DR)
12/2+2 = 8 (BAB/2+2)
4 (Tower)
5 (+5)
6 (SM and iSM)
6 (Dwarven SM 3)

(One additional source of DR)
5/10 (Item or Stoneskin) | 6 (Lvl 11 Barb w/ Imp DR 2) | Barb AB V (15 for 20secs)

34/39 | 35 | 44

[Mathieugh]

Very nice. Only thing I have to add is that a Warforged with the Titanic
Docent can get a higher max situationally, but will still be lower more often
than not.

Originally Posted by xenxes

Max Achievable DR:

(Blocking DR)
12/2+2 = 8 (BAB/2+2)
4 (Tower)
5 (+5)
6 (SM and iSM)
6 (Dwarven SM 3)

(One additional source of DR)
5/10 (Item) | 6 (Lvl 11 Barb w/ Imp DR 2) | Barb AB V (15 for 20secs)

34/39 | 35 | 44

From here we have:

12/2+2 = 8 (BAB/2+2)
4 (Tower)
5 (+5)
6 (SM and iSM)
Total Blocking DR: 23
Titanic Docent: 30 DR for 15 Seconds
Total DR: 53

Figured I'd throw it in there.

[trptim]

You can add a spells section
Specifically Stoneskin DR10/Adamantine
Not sure how it stacks (hopefully with blocking, so it would match your 10 item numbers)

[Eurytos]

Don't forget Stonemeld Plate (Dragon loot) DR5/-

[xenxes]

Thx, changes/additions made

[dormetheus]

Giant Plate or Plate of the Giants... i forget

5/-

[Riggs]

what types of damage does dr stop? if it is 2/-...does that mean it stops spell damage too?

I keep forgetting to check my combat log after spells hit me.

[xenxes]

Originally Posted by Riggs

what types of damage does dr stop? if it is 2/-...does that mean it stops spell damage too?

I keep forgetting to check my combat log after spells hit me.

Nope, physical damage only.

Spell damage reductions are from the 5 elemental type resistances.

Deathward nullifies negative damage.

Nothing nullify light damage.

[STROBE]

/quote Xenxes

Axeblock - DR 5/Pierce of Bludgeon
Spearblock - DR 5/Slash or Bludgeon
Hammerblock - DR 5/Slash or Pierce
Invulnerability - DR 5/Magic

/end quote


I did some testing with a lvl 3 rogue wearing a robe of spearblock and got the following results:

The item description mentions protection against piercing. When I equip it, the character sheet says as you have writtten above DR 5/Slashing, bludgeoning.

My combat log reports:
against piercing damage I get DR 5
against slashing I get no DR
against bludgeoning I get no DR

I unequipped the robe of spearblock and equipped Furor's (Cloak?)

The item description mentions DR 3 against slashing. When I equip it the character sheet says DR 3/ piercing, bludgeoning.

My combat log reports:
against piercing damage no DR
against slashing I get DR 5
against bludgeoning I get no DR

In the above tests, I stood in front of various enemies and did not shield block.



/quote Xenxes

Max Achievable DR:

(Blocking DR)
12/2+2 = 8 (BAB/2+2)
4 (Tower)
5 (+5)
6 (SM and iSM)
6 (Dwarven SM 3)

/end quote

Thanks for providing this helpful information. I did some minor testing with a lvl 12 paladin with shield mastery vs an ogre's bow attack and club attack. These were my observations from my combat log while I actively blocked (i.e. held down the shift key):

Vs the ogres arrow attacks (piercing damage type)

No armor, shield or weapon equipped: DR 6
Weapon equipped: DR 6
Weapon & heavy shield: DR 9
Weapon & tower shield: DR 10
Weapon, armor, & tower shield: DR 10.

In no instance in this test was I able to achieve more than DR 10 against the ranged arrow piercing damage.

Vs the ogre's club attack (bludgeoning damage type)
Weapon, armor, & tower shield: DR 20.

-->If I understand the game mechanics put forth here I should have twelth level DR 8, plus tower shield DR 4, plus shield mastery DR 3 for a total of 15.<--(Further testing indicates that the +5 enhancement bonus of the shield is added to DR, so DR 20 is correct.)

I share this information in the hope that some others will conduct some more thorough testing and post their results.

Edit March 1 2007

Vs the ogre's club attack (bludgeoning damage type)
Weapon, armor, & heavy shield: DR 18.

So it appears that the additional DR 2 for equipping a tower shield is being implemented.

Edit March 15,2007

Acquired a +2 Tower shield to compare with a +5 Tower shield and the DR was 17 and 20 respectively, so conclude that the + enhancement bonus of a shield does add to DR as has been reported by others.

[Maldini]

I was going to test this myself, but if you go into blocking while having used the Barb DR Boost, that would add 15 on top of your blocking DR right?

So my DR maxxed Dwarf Barb could achieve (with the Stormreaver Shield):

9 Base Level 14
6 Stormreaver Shield
5 Enchantment Bonus
3 Shield Mastery
3 Improved Shield Mastery
3 Dwarven Shield Mastery III
15 Barb Action Boost IV/7 with Improved DR II
Total: 44/36

That's pretty nice. I got a new build in the works finally, after a long hiatus from build design

[kendo]

Originally Posted by Maldini

I was going to test this myself, but if you go into blocking while having used the Barb DR Boost, that would add 15 on top of your blocking DR right?

So my DR maxxed Dwarf Barb could achieve (with the Stormreaver Shield):

9 Base Level 14
6 Stormreaver Shield
5 Enchantment Bonus
3 Shield Mastery
6 Improved Shield Mastery
3 Dwarven Shield Mastery III
15 Barb Action Boost IV/7 with Improved DR II
Total: 47/39

That's pretty nice. I got a new build in the works finally, after a long hiatus from build design

are the values for improved shield mastery and dwarven shield mastery switched around??

but still some nice looking numbers. DR is one area that I never paid much attention to, mainly because I didn't realize how much you could get from shields. saw the relatively small amount you could get from an item and didn't think it worth worrying about.

will be rethinking some after reading through this thread

[Maldini]

Originally Posted by kendo

are the values for improved shield mastery and dwarven shield mastery switched around??

but still some nice looking numbers. DR is one area that I never paid much attention to, mainly because I didn't realize how much you could get from shields. saw the relatively small amount you could get from an item and didn't think it worth worrying about.

will be rethinking some after reading through this thread

Yeah I messed that up. I need to fix it.

[maddong]

I thought they changed it in mod 3 or so so that blocking DR doesn't stack with non blocking DR? I read that in a wiki? A while ago I was going to make a dwarven shield barbarian but then abandoned when I read that....

[Maldini]

Originally Posted by maddong

I thought they changed it in mod 3 or so so that blocking DR doesn't stack with non blocking DR? I read that in a wiki? A while ago I was going to make a dwarven shield barbarian but then abandoned when I read that....

It stacks with the Symbiont. So I take that as it stacks with other things.

[Symar-FangofLloth]

Isn't there a feat that let's wf with adamantine body get an addition point to DR? Or is that the enhancement you have listed?

[Shade]

Originally Posted by xenxes

Feats:
Barbarian (DR 1/2/3/4 at lvl 2/5/8/11)

With level cap raised to 14, this raised to DR5/- . (goes up every 3 levels)
Note this doesn't display upon level up for some reason, it does still function correctly tho.

[Shade]

Originally Posted by Symar-FangofLloth

Isn't there a feat that let's wf with adamantine body get an addition point to DR? Or is that the enhancement you have listed?

There is. It can be taken multiple times. So lvl3/6/9/12 for +4 DR over the +2 adamantium base. Feat prereq is adamantine body, hmm wonder if with the body switch ability now you could get those and switch out the body,, thatd be kinda neat.

So 2 +4 = 6, +2 enhancement = 8 passive DR, highest it goes, aside from stoneskin and greater spearblock.

And yea shieldblock dr and regular DR stacking is nice. My barb has over 30 DR like that without any xtra feats.

[Impaqt]

Missing a couple Named Items with DR

Silken Mail +4 Mithral ChainMail AxeBlock
Scorpion Sheild +4 Heavy Sheild Spearblock

[cforce]

Originally Posted by Shade

There is. It can be taken multiple times. So lvl3/6/9/12 for +4 DR over the +2 adamantium base. Feat prereq is adamantine body, hmm wonder if with the body switch ability now you could get those and switch out the body,, thatd be kinda neat.

Actually, Addy body isn't a prereq; I've selected 2 of them on my Mithral WF evasion tank; no respec required.

[Kaldais]

That a warforge's DR enhancement does not stack with Barb's class DR?

Was thinking about rolling a WF barb focused on DR. With Barb's 5/- +2 Barb enhancement, +3 WF DR enhancements, +1 WF Feat, you can get upto 11/- passive DR.

But if that doesnt work, then I can scratch that idea