D&D banned in WI prisons putting an end to wandering gangs of halfling thieves

[MrWizard]

and now for the news...


D&D banned in WI prisons putting an end to wandering gangs of halfling thieves
http://www.wkowtv.com/global/story.asp?s=11876814



MADISON, Wis. - A man serving life in prison for first-degree intentional homicide has lost his legal battle to play Dungeons and Dragons behind bars.

Kevin T. Singer filed a lawsuit against officials at Wisconsin's Waupun prison after a policy was initiated in 2004 to eradicate all Dungeons and Dragons game materials among concerns that playing it promotes gang-related activity.

The 33-year-old Singer is a devoted player of the fantasy role-playing game that involves recruiting others to play as a group. He argued that his First Amendment rights were being violated and demanded that Dungeons and Dragons material confiscated from his cell be returned.

But the 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled Monday that the prison's policy was reasonable.

[Bosco]

Wow, talk about harsh. This poor guy only killed someone and now he can't play D&D in prison. Keep fighting the man Singer.

[Modinator0]

which part of the 1st amendment allows you to have printed materials and dice in a jail cell, again? Talk about it all you want, its the materials that are banned. ****, some people and their entitlement complexes these days

[Rasczak]

lol

Poor guy can't remember the ruleset? Make it up you twit that's what DnD is all about

And more than two halflings together whether they know each other or not MUST be construed as illegal and they should be dragged away by the ears. Noone needs them breeding

[Samadhi]

So no one else is bothered that a policy was specifically instated associating DnD with "gang-related activity?"

[Modinator0]

So no one else is bothered that a policy was specifically instated associating DnD with "gang-related activity?"

nope... its definitely a gateway to gang activity. buncha middle aged guys sittin around a dungeon, working together to plan raids... min/maxxing off of each other's skills...

[Rasczak]

nope... its definitely a gateway to gang activity. buncha middle aged guys sittin around a dungeon, working together to plan raids... min/maxxing off of each other's skills...

You forgot about the part where these group of guys intentionally plan the death of another because they disagree with his life choices and opinions. And then they carry the murder out willfully and without prejudice.

In planning the murder they also make sure they are fully stocked up on arms and take reward after the murder has been committed....

Which would be terrible if it wasn't for that little issue about it being FAKE!

[Greydeath]

So no one else is bothered that a policy was specifically instated associating DnD with "gang-related activity?"

+1
Definitely the point that caught my eye...

[Modinator0]

You forgot about the part where these group of guys intentionally plan the death of another because they disagree with his life choices and opinions. And then they carry the murder out willfully and without prejudice.

In planning the murder they also make sure they are fully stocked up on arms and take reward after the murder has been committed....

Which would be terrible if it wasn't for that little issue about it being FAKE!

its fake, but it is convicted killers we're talking about many of which probably killed over a D&D argument to begin with XD

besides, dice are a choking hazzard, keep away from small children and crazed lunatics hell bent on killing someone, anyone, or themselves

[QuintonReece]

So no one else is bothered that a policy was specifically instated associating DnD with "gang-related activity?"

Nope. Some of us find more important things to get bothered over.

[Rasczak]

its fake, but it is convicted killers we're talking about many of which probably killed over a D&D argument to begin with XD

besides, dice are a choking hazzard, keep away from small children and crazed lunatics hell bent on killing someone, anyone, or themselves

Well yes there is the matter of "I killed those children in cold blooded murder because the voices told me to but that doesn't mean you get to be inhumane and stop me playing DnD"



But...My only point for this entire thread.....jail is to punish people with the slim chance of rehabilitation (yeah right).

What could be more punishing than stopping that criminal geek from playing his DnD? I rest my case...as for the rest of it..worse laws have been passed. When it comes to criminals I'd skip it down a few piles of requests...not really my problem to make them comfortable

[Modinator0]

Well yes there is the matter of "I killed those children in cold blooded murder because the voices told me to but that doesn't mean you get to be inhumane and stop me playing DnD"



But...My only point for this entire thread.....jail is to punish people with the slim chance of rehabilitation (yeah right).

What could be more punishing than stopping that criminal geek from playing his DnD? I rest my case...as for the rest of it..worse laws have been passed. When it comes to criminals I'd skip it down a few piles of requests...not really my problem to make them comfortable

imo all those jails should be like arizona tent city... buncha tents out in the sun, no games, no cards, no tv, just slave labor.

or we could just send em all to some colonial island and leave em there to rot... then come back a few years later and laugh at the new country XD

[Irinis]

They played with dice. Dice are used for GAMBLING. Gambling leads to criminal activity, especially among convicted criminals. Therefore, the D&D was just a coverup for the real activities going on in that jail cell. Plus, all that satanic stuff about dragons and demons and devils... it's just plain evil!

Right?

[Anneliese]

You can simulate an n-sided-dice with pen and paper.

DM writes a random number from 1-n
Player writes a random number from 1-n

Add them up, modulo n, add 1 -> random number from 1-n (unless the DM and the player team up)

[harold2560]

some of you guys make me laugh. I am a corrections officer. Do i think DND promotes gang activity? About as much as a few guys playing old maid with a deck of cards. Rediculous policy put in place by a higher up who doesnt like nor understand DND.

FWIW Inmates are humans and should have some rights too. Good behavior in prison should be rewarded. If the inmates who play dnd are well behaved model inmates, who get up do their job and dont cuase trouble then let them play! Letting inmates have recreation is not just for their sake. Good morale among the inmates goes a long way toward keeping staff assualts down. Id rather inmates play dnd then think of ways to make stuff to stab me with.

On another note. ANY SINGLE ONE OF US COULD BE IN PRISON ONE DAY. all it takes is one bad decision. how many here have ever driven with a few beers under their belt? hmm? all it takes is for you to get caught, or worse kill someone when you go over the line or are not paying attention and you are in jail too. Would you want to be treated like slave labor becuase you made a bad decision? no you wouldnt. NOTE: does not apply to child molesters or rapists, they should be executed on the spot Judge Dredd style.

[Kralgnax]

So no one else is bothered that a policy was specifically instated associating DnD with "gang-related activity?"

And the forces of stupidity roll on to another victory.

That's an arbitrary and unreasonable thing to do, but arbitrary and unreasonable appears to be the order of the day, alas *cough*TSA*cough*. Remember kids, incarceration is the punishment here, the dude wasn't sentenced to "No D&D for you."

[Aspenor]

Stupid ruling.

I have to agree with those here that mention that his sentence was life in prison (aka lost your freedom). The sentence doesn't say "life without D&D."

I cannot fathom how they decided it promoted gang related activity. Maybe the guy had two gaming groups and they decided to PvP IRL?

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Absolutely stupid. Prison activity should be restricted to gang rape parties, no board games!

And everyone knows that D&D does not promote gang activity, it promotes satanism. (Although it is true that all Blood & Crypt members must be able to pass a test on the D&D core handbooks before being initiated)

[Gol]

1) You lose a lot of constitutional "rights" while in prison. It's prison, not vacation. If you want to debate this, be prepared to defend inmates' rights to possess firearms (2nd amendment) while incarcerated.
2) Yes, the guy that ordered D&D banned is obviously a moron.
3) Want to play D&D (or possess firearms)? Stay out of prison. Problem solved.

[eldrytch75]

and now for the news...


D&D banned in WI prisons putting an end to wandering gangs of halfling thieves
http://www.wkowtv.com/global/story.asp?s=11876814



MADISON, Wis. - A man serving life in prison for first-degree intentional homicide has lost his legal battle to play Dungeons and Dragons behind bars.

Kevin T. Singer filed a lawsuit against officials at Wisconsin's Waupun prison after a policy was initiated in 2004 to eradicate all Dungeons and Dragons game materials among concerns that playing it promotes gang-related activity.

The 33-year-old Singer is a devoted player of the fantasy role-playing game that involves recruiting others to play as a group. He argued that his First Amendment rights were being violated and demanded that Dungeons and Dragons material confiscated from his cell be returned.

But the 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled Monday that the prison's policy was reasonable.

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