Divine Acrobat - a Selfhealing Centered Qstaff-Pally

[karl_k0ch]

Below you find a pastlife build: A centered acrobat with a paladin PL. The selfhealing options have been toned down since Cocoon is good enough.

Rogue is pretty front loaded to get access to Staff Specialization at level 12. Paladin level 4 offers Divine Might, which is worth getting at level 9ish.

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Level 21 Lawful Good Human Male
(7 Paladin \ 6 Monk \ 7 Rogue \ 1 Epic) 
Hit Points: 318
Spell Points: 81 
BAB: 16\16\21\26\26
Fortitude: 21
Reflex: 19
Will: 18

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(36 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 21)
Strength             16                    23
Dexterity             8                    10
Constitution         16                    18
Intelligence         14                    16
Wisdom                8                    10
Charisma             16                    18

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 6
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 6
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 6
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 6
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 6
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 6

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 21)
Balance               3                    17
Bluff                 7                    25
Concentration         5                    28
Diplomacy             7                     9
Disable Device        6                    27
Haggle                6                     8
Heal                  1                    24
Hide                 -1                     1
Intimidate            3                     5
Jump                  7                    11
Listen               -1                     1
Move Silently        -1                     1
Open Lock             3                     5
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                2                     4
Search                6                    27
Spellcraft            2                     4
Spot                 -1                     1
Swim                  n/a                   n/a
Tumble                0                     2
Use Magic Device      7                    28

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Bluff (+4)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Diplomacy (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Haggle (+3)
Skill: Heal (+2)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Cleave
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Paladin
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Paladin
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 2 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+3)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Two Handed Fighting


Level 3 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+4)
Feat: (Deity) Favored by the Sovereign Host
Feat: (Selected) Force of Personality


Level 4 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+3)
Skill: Disable Device (+2)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)


Level 5 (Paladin)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Heal (+2)
Skill: Search (+0.5)


Level 6 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1.5)
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Lightning Reflexes


Level 7 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Bluff (+3)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)


Level 8 (Monk)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+3)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Harmonious Balance: Fists of Light


Level 9 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Heal (+3)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting


Level 10 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)


Level 11 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)


Level 12 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+6)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons


Level 13 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+3)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 14 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1.5)


Level 15 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Master of Forms
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 16 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Heal (+2)
Skill: Search (+1)


Level 17 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Heal (+4)


Level 18 (Rogue)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+2)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting


Level 19 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)


Level 20 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Bluff (+4)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)


Level 21 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Bluff (+4)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Diplomacy (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+3)
Skill: Haggle (+4)
Skill: Intimidate (+4)
Skill: Move Silently (+4)
Skill: Repair (+4)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+50270816)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Overwhelming Critical

Any input is appreciated.


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For the sake of completeness, here's the old version:

1 Toughness
1M Power Attack
1H Cleave
3 Force of Personality
6 Empower Healing
6M Two-Handed Fighting
9 Great Cleave
12 IC: Bludgeoning
15 Adept of Forms
18 Master of Forms
21 Improved Two-Handed Fighting
24 Greater Two-Handed Fighting
26 Perfect Two-Handed Fighting
27 Overwhelming Critical
28 Elusive Target

As you can see, I wasn't able to fit in OC and pTHF due to Monk feat and BAB restrictions. I opted for the former, because this is more beneficial for the Smites. If you see an option to include both feats, please let me know.

Please ignore the feat selection in the progression below.

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Level 25 Lawful Good Human Male
(14 Paladin \ 5 Monk \ 1 Rogue \ 5 Epic) 
Hit Points: 383
Spell Points: 245 
BAB: 17\17\22\27\27
Fortitude: 21
Reflex: 13
Will: 15

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 25)
Strength             17                    26
Dexterity             8                     8
Constitution         15                    18
Intelligence          9                    12
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma             16                    16

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 2
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 10
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 10
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 10

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 25)
Balance               3                     9
Bluff                 3                     8
Concentration         6                    32
Diplomacy             3                     8
Disable Device       n/a                    n/a
Haggle                3                     8
Heal                  1                    27
Hide                 -1                     4
Intimidate            3                     8
Jump                  3                    12
Listen               -1                     4
Move Silently        -1                     4
Open Lock            n/a                    n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair               -1                     6
Search               -1                     6
Spot                 -1                     4
Swim                  3                    12
Tumble                0                     5
Use Magic Device      4.5                  31

Level 1 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Skill: Heal (+2)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1.5)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Cleave
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Paladin)
Skill: Heal (+2)


Level 3 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Force of Personality


Level 4 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Heal (+1)


Level 5 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 6 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Two Handed Fighting


Level 7 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 8 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 9 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave


Level 10 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 11 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 12 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons


Level 13 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 14 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+9)


Level 15 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Adept of Forms
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Harmonious Balance: Fists of Light


Level 16 (Monk)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 17 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 18 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Master of Forms


Level 19 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 20 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 21 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Overwhelming Critical


Level 22 (Paladin)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2.33214e+007)


Level 23 (Paladin)


Level 24 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting


Level 25 (Paladin)

[unbongwah]

I'm not sure why you took rog @ lvl 14 instead of 1; is that a BAB or skill pt issue?

Also, PTHF is an ED feat, not a regular epic feat; can't you take that instead of Holy Strike?

[karl_k0ch]

Rogue was taken at 14 to maximize skill points spent for UMD - the only other skills I want to get in this build (and have points for) are Heal and Concentration, both of which are not Rogue class skills.

Gah. Of course, pTHF isn't even competing with OC in regards to the feat slot and I can take it instead of holy strikes. The OP will be changed accordingly.

[unbongwah]

Also, if you're willing to delay Emp Heal, you can get the THF feats sooner: move GC to lvl 6, ITHF to lvl 9, GTHF to lvl 21, Emp Heal to lvl 24.

[karl_k0ch]

Also, if you're willing to delay Emp Heal, you can get the THF feats sooner: move GC to lvl 6, ITHF to lvl 9, GTHF to lvl 21, Emp Heal to lvl 24.

That's a nice option as well if you plan to level this kind of build. The feat and class order in the OP is motivated by the fact that I have a Paladin which I want to LR, thus the exact order of feats isn't that important to me. However, if there is anyone interested in playing this split as well, that's certainly a decent option.

Thanks for your most valuable input, unbongwah.

[maddong]

The attack speed doesn't show up on char sheet or effects list so not sure it is working. Also acrobat gets crit mult now so acrobat 5 may be better than henshin 5.

[karl_k0ch]

The attack speed doesn't show up on char sheet or effects list so not sure it is working. Also acrobat gets crit mult now so acrobat 5 may be better than henshin 5.

More Rogue levels are another interesting option.
But then 5 Monk offers access to more abilities from the shintao tree, most prominently more Devotion and HealAmp, which is why I'd rather go 5mnk/1rog than 5rog/1mnk. But I have to be honest, I didn't make a straight comparison of what acrobat offers vs. henshin.

[psykopeta]

The attack speed doesn't show up on char sheet or effects list so not sure it is working. Also acrobat gets crit mult now so acrobat 5 may be better than henshin 5.

tier 5 henshyn> tier 5 acrobat

they have the same +1 multiplier/+1 threat
henshyn gives void strike, acrobat gives vault (or lolt if u prefer)

to the op: don't forget getting tier 4 acrobat vicious or whatever, stacks with sense weakness so add more rogue lvls

also remove the thf line, its' useless for staves(and glancing blows are prolly borked yet, on august right before u19, they were borked yet)

also zeal isn't that big deal, most suff will prolly die with a rotation of cleave,gcleave, lay waste and momentum swing (fury isn't a good idea for staves, same as thf line, mostly because the weapon dice)

before the update the acrobat was insane dps based on aoe dps, if u keep philosophy now, it's pure madness (also wind + 15% spees from acrobat is enough speed for a single target)

also if possible i would do only 1 rogue, 1 monk,4 pally, rest monk lvls, rest rogue lvls, rest pally

so u start getting the benefits of the acrobat at lvl 1 (4 ap spent on acrobat gives u the 15% speed, hit 2, take wind stance, then aim for DM, get rest of monk feats/forms, aim for tier 4 acrobat, get rest of pally lvls)

[maddmatt70]

I currently have a 10 rogue 6 monk 4 paladin q-staff user. 4 paladin give me divine might and the ability to use cocoon. I am pleased with this character overall. I am not sure other then zeal which is only 10% what more paladin levels then 4 give you. You only have 14 paladin levels so your smites are mediocre. You are passing up a lot of dps for the paladin icon not to mention improved evasion and other nice things.

[karl_k0ch]

also remove the thf line, its' useless for staves(and glancing blows are prolly borked yet, on august right before u19, they were borked yet)

I'm aware of the fact that Cleaves don't produce glancing blows with staves, but as far as I know, regular swings (if standing still) with a QStaff will produce Glancing Blows, won't they?

I am not sure other then zeal which is only 10% what more paladin levels then 4 give you. You only have 14 paladin levels so your smites are mediocre. You are passing up a lot of dps for the paladin icon not to mention improved evasion and other nice things.

It's an overall package: Pally Past life, CSW, Restoration Clickies, extra damage against evil mobs (1d6 more than 4 pally), a reasonable damage bonus on smites.

[unbongwah]

I'm aware of the fact that Cleaves don't produce glancing blows with staves, but as far as I know, regular swings (if standing still) with a QStaff will produce Glancing Blows, won't they?

They're supposed to, like any other 2H weapon, but they were borked pre-U19, IIRC; haven't checked to see if they were fixed. If not, then the Imp Glancing Blows enhs from Acrobat tree are completely useless to staff builds.

[karl_k0ch]

They're supposed to, like any other 2H weapon, but they were borked pre-U19, IIRC; haven't checked to see if they were fixed. If not, then the Imp Glancing Blows enhs from Acrobat tree are completely useless to staff builds.

On a whim, I've TR'd into the build from the OP, and it looks like I am getting glancing blows.

Can you specify the degree of borkedness?

Re: Other class splits. It's true that a deeper rogue splash (or rogue as main class) will unlock more acrobat goodies and offer more sneak attack damage, but that'd give the build a completely different focus.

[karl_k0ch]

A quick update - I've leveled to 14 now, and there are some things I like a lot, and some things I don't like that much:

Likes:
Divine Might. It's an awesome clickie to increase your Str.
Ghost Touch and extra damage against all evil mobs.
Exalted Smite. Dealing 300 damage on a crit with a quarterstaff at level 11 is a nice thing.


Don't likes:
Monk levels are taken rather late, which makes a huge part of the Henshin tree unaccessible up to level 15.
While KotC has some nice abilities, they are rather on the top of the tree, which makes the KotC tree rather stat-intensive.
5 Monk means that you don't get access to Shadow Veil.

Preliminary Conclusions:

Don't level the build from the OP. Delaying Paladin in favor of rogue and monk would be a far more sensible progression. I'm tending towards 6Monk/6Rogue/8Paladin for the next life, which has still Divine Might and which works as a Pally Past life.

[karl_k0ch]

Updated the Op with a revisited past life build:

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Level 21 Lawful Good Human Male
(7 Paladin \ 6 Monk \ 7 Rogue \ 1 Epic) 
Hit Points: 318
Spell Points: 81 
BAB: 16\16\21\26\26
Fortitude: 21
Reflex: 19
Will: 18

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(36 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 21)
Strength             16                    23
Dexterity             8                    10
Constitution         16                    18
Intelligence         14                    16
Wisdom                8                    10
Charisma             16                    18

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 6
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 6
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 6
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 6
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 6
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 6

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 21)
Balance               3                    17
Bluff                 7                    25
Concentration         5                    28
Diplomacy             7                     9
Disable Device        6                    27
Haggle                6                     8
Heal                  1                    24
Hide                 -1                     1
Intimidate            3                     5
Jump                  7                    11
Listen               -1                     1
Move Silently        -1                     1
Open Lock             3                     5
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                2                     4
Search                6                    27
Spellcraft            2                     4
Spot                 -1                     1
Swim                  n/a                   n/a
Tumble                0                     2
Use Magic Device      7                    28

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Bluff (+4)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Diplomacy (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Haggle (+3)
Skill: Heal (+2)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Cleave
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Paladin
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Paladin
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 2 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+3)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Two Handed Fighting


Level 3 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+4)
Feat: (Deity) Favored by the Sovereign Host
Feat: (Selected) Force of Personality


Level 4 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+3)
Skill: Disable Device (+2)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)


Level 5 (Paladin)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Heal (+2)
Skill: Search (+0.5)


Level 6 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1.5)
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Lightning Reflexes


Level 7 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Bluff (+3)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)


Level 8 (Monk)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+3)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Harmonious Balance: Fists of Light


Level 9 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Heal (+3)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting


Level 10 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)


Level 11 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)


Level 12 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+6)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons


Level 13 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+3)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 14 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1.5)


Level 15 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Master of Forms
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 16 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Heal (+2)
Skill: Search (+1)


Level 17 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Heal (+4)


Level 18 (Rogue)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+2)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting


Level 19 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)


Level 20 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Bluff (+4)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)


Level 21 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Bluff (+4)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Diplomacy (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+3)
Skill: Haggle (+4)
Skill: Intimidate (+4)
Skill: Move Silently (+4)
Skill: Repair (+4)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+50270816)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Overwhelming Critical

[era42]

On a whim, I've TR'd into the build from the OP, and it looks like I am getting glancing blows.

Can you specify the degree of borkedness?

Cleave attacks don't give glancing blows for quarterstaves. Regular hits and at least the few single-target hits I tested procced glancing blows. Makes the 2hf line less useful for qstaffers, but not useless.

Re: Other class splits. It's true that a deeper rogue splash (or rogue as main class) will unlock more acrobat goodies and offer more sneak attack damage, but that'd give the build a completely different focus.

Yep. With 12 rogue, you can get knockdown/slippery immunity from acrobat tree, making it a no-brainer to take over henshin.

Even disregarding the 12-rogue immunities, I still prefer acrobat tree over henshin. Quick Strike is better in acrobat tree, 12 second cooldown as opposed to 20seconds in henshin. Less wasted points, and I like having a leap more often than every 10 minutes. Void Strike looks nice enough, but is it really worth 10 ap? The four 2-point prerequs don't really look like anything I'd ever use.

[Inoukchuk]

Cleave attacks don't give glancing blows for quarterstaves. Regular hits and at least the few single-target hits I tested procced glancing blows. Makes the 2hf line less useful for qstaffers, but not useless.



Yep. With 12 rogue, you can get knockdown/slippery immunity from acrobat tree, making it a no-brainer to take over henshin.

Even disregarding the 12-rogue immunities, I still prefer acrobat tree over henshin. Quick Strike is better in acrobat tree, 12 second cooldown as opposed to 20seconds in henshin. Less wasted points, and I like having a leap more often than every 10 minutes. Void Strike looks nice enough, but is it really worth 10 ap? The four 2-point prerequs don't really look like anything I'd ever use.

Yeah, I'm torn on this one. Henshin also gets Every Light Casts a Shadow. IMO Henshin tier 5s are better than Acrobat tier 5s, but the rest of the tree is decidedly lacking by comparison. Still, is the ability to spam negative levels and possible insta-kills (no save) enough to make the case for Henshin? I mean, you can take 12 rogue, 5 monk and still get knockdown immunity and tier 5s from Henshin. I'm inclined to agree with you on acrobat though, APs are too precious to just throw away about 10 pts worth.

[karl_k0ch]

Yeah, I'm torn on this one. Henshin also gets Every Light Casts a Shadow. IMO Henshin tier 5s are better than Acrobat tier 5s, but the rest of the tree is decidedly lacking by comparison. Still, is the ability to spam negative levels and possible insta-kills (no save) enough to make the case for Henshin? I mean, you can take 12 rogue, 5 monk and still get knockdown immunity and tier 5s from Henshin. I'm inclined to agree with you on acrobat though, APs are too precious to just throw away about 10 pts worth.

Building up a finisher takes some time, as the ki moves have a timer. For most mobs while leveling I had the feeling that this wasn't needed. In EEs probably, where HPs are inflated and casters are happy about reduced DCs. But I guess for EHs it's easier just to spam Fists of Iron instead of using the light finisher.

Personally, I found the tier 5 Hensins rather uninteresting, but I have to admit that I skipped the Void Strike line as the APs were to sparse for that.

[panshiko]

May I have a list of recommended enhancements please?

[ZanderJS]

Hi,
Perhaps you could share the enhancements that go towards this build? : )
Also, the gearing needed as well.

Thanks!

[Merfyn]

I'm interested too.

I had started to experiment with a "Hurtlocker" a (long) while ago, and am wondering how a warforged version of this will fare - or if I'll need to eat the free heart.