100 on silver roll... Excellent experience elixir... FFS

Kimbere

Kimbere

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Primus said:
I am doing an activity in my free time that I enjoy, say walking the dog through the park for example.
The local city/county/township that manages the park using my tax dollars that I pay, has set up a hot dog stand giving out free hot dogs.
I get one as I enjoy my day, but it is not the best hot dog ever. Infact the one I got on a particular day was less than.

I am not going to go home and make a post on the local forum whining that the free hot dog was less than what I hoped for.
And again, I don't understand why some people would do that.
But you do you.
Sorry you are disappointed with your weener.
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You completely missed/ignored the entire point of my post. Secondly, that’s a bad analogy for several reasons.

1) Of course people who are serious about getting the issue addressed aren’t going to a random online forum to complain about the bad hotdog. That’s a non-sensical argument. Reasonable people would either address the issue directly with the vendor at the time they received it or contact the management/owners via whatever official communication channels are available - you know, kind of like someone posting a complaint about DDO on DDO’s official forums.

2) The hot dog wasn’t “free”. You and the other tax payers paid for it. If your tax dollars are funding it, you have the right to and should expect a good hotdog. If it's not good, you should be annoyed that your tax dollars are being wasted on something bad. Also, as I pointed out previously, daily die rolls are not necessarily free.

3). This is the most impotant part and also what you fail to understand. Your analogy does not contain an RNG based lottery style, tiered reward system. That system is what sets the expectation that the rarest, top tier prizes are measurably better than the lower tiers. I’m fairly sure nobody in their right mind expects a free park hotdog to be the best hotdog they’ve ever had. However, people who match 4 numbers on the Powerball lotto ticket do (and rightfully so) expect that to pay out more than a ticket that only matches 2 numbers.

To use your analogy properly, let’s say the “free” park hotdog was advertised as being the best footlong chili dog ever. Let’s also assume the stand used a spin-the-wheel-for-your-prize system. You spin the wheel and land on the smallest, hardest to hit slot - the “Best Footlong Chili Dog Ever”. The vendor congratulates you, then hands you what is clearly a microwaved 2-inch pig-in-blanket from the freezer section of the local grocery store. No chili, no onions, no cheese, no condiments. Nothing but a plain, low-quality appetizer.

You’re telling us that you wouldn’t be disappointed with receiving the crappy pig-in-a-blanket after they set the expectation you would get a delicious footlong chili dog? You think it’s unreasonable to question the vendor about the discrepancy between the expectation they set for your prize versus what you actually received?
 
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SquireZed

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Daily dice being so consistently meh for the most part is probably a good thing. There's very little, if any, temptation to spin just to see what you get beyond the free daily/VIP weekly. It doesn't help that like 80% of the stuff on there and in the shop is situational, filler consumables that aren't worth cluttering your storage with, or just pointless.

With any table, sometimes you're going to pull the bottom of the table. The Excellent Experience Elixir is probably the low end of the value spectrum for the 100 result, but even that's still reasonably valuable- 3 hours of 30% experience bonus/350 points is not terrible value for a silver spin, IMO. It's not as flashy as a tome (but the tomes there are relatively low value and any long time player has probably replaced them, and they're BTA so you can't trade them) or heart, and there are supposedly Superior Experience Elixirs on the table according to the wiki at least, but I wouldn't be unhappy with it since it's still something I would plausibly use at some point compared to... well, look at the entries below 100.
 
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mikarddo

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Spoon of Khyber said:
Do better SSG. Get rid of the garbage cosmetics, the useless rewards and for the love of "insert what you want here", Make the 100 rolls rewards list an actual reward. An excellent experience Elixir is NOT that.
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A 30% xp potion seems to be a great reward to me. I would be very happy with that.

Do you use 50% pots always or do you have Infinite xp potions already seeing you do not find that reward good?
 
Titus Ovid

Titus Ovid

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Spoon of Khyber said:
Do better SSG. Get rid of the garbage cosmetics, the useless rewards and for the love of "insert what you want here", Make the 100 rolls rewards list an actual reward. An excellent experience Elixir is NOT that.
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Well, it is different for everyone. I don't buy xp potions so this is my only source to get them.
But I can do without Sunflasks for sure.

Cheers,
Titus
 
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DDO Gaming

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Kimbere said:
I don't understand people who don't understand why people are disappointed when something doesn't live up to reasonable expectations.

Disappointment isn't about free vs not free, it is about meeting or not meeting expectations. Is that so hard to understand? Also, if someone used Astral Shards to do the daily die roll, it wasn't free, was it?
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there seems to be a common misconception about precisely what folks are being given free. DDO is not a stanadalone game, you download and play it on your computer.

The moment you log in, you are connected to external servers. Those cost money but unless you spend $$$ you are gaining access to free serverside computing power. Granted its the model turbine eventually chose after seeing sales slip but as a consumer you are accessing serverside computing for zero cost.

I personally have no idea how much that free stuff costs SSG per minute but your complaints are misplaced.

I am disappointed. I am disappointed they changed stance on deep gnomes and now require the race to be purchased but thats their strategy. Recall VIP is a new freebie so SSG clearly decided that compensates the deep gnome decision. As for gold/silver rolls, they're also free and the rewards is pure luck
 
Kimbere

Kimbere

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DDO Gaming said:
there seems to be a common misconception about precisely what folks are being given free. DDO is not a stanadalone game, you download and play it on your computer.

The moment you log in, you are connected to external servers. Those cost money but unless you spend $$$ you are gaining access to free serverside computing power. Granted its the model turbine eventually chose after seeing sales slip but as a consumer you are accessing serverside computing for zero cost.

I personally have no idea how much that free stuff costs SSG per minute but your complaints are misplaced.

I am disappointed. I am disappointed they changed stance on deep gnomes and now require the race to be purchased but thats their strategy. Recall VIP is a new freebie so SSG clearly decided that compensates the deep gnome decision. As for gold/silver rolls, they're also free and the rewards is pure luck
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Lots of incorrect statements and/or fallacies in this.

Your point about how much their servers cost them is a strawman. It has no bearing on this topic and doesn't support or refute anything about it. Additionally, unless SSG were complete idiots when they negotiated their new hosting contract during the datacenter move project, they're not paying per compute cycle. They're not using AWS or Azure cloud.

For things like hosted world servers, they're almost assuredly paying a fixed amount per month for X number of servers and storage. Since it's a fixed amount per month, their costs don't change whether players do 10k daily die rolls or 5 daily die rolls per month.

Strawman aside, as I've pointed out repeatedly to another in this thread, you're missing my main point. This isn't about free vs paid. It's about EXPECTATIONS and the failure to meet them.

SSG sets expectations for daily die rolls by using a tiered reward system. Tiered reward systems by their very nature set the expectation that the higher tiers provide measurably better rewards than the lower tiers.

The disappointment and complaints about daily die rewards stem from the higher tier rewards being measurably worse than some lower tier rewards. Thus, the rewards fail to meet the expectations set by SSG and their chosen daily die system. This failure to meet expectations is what generates the complaints and makes them justified.

All SSG needs to do to fix the complaints and meet expectations is apply some intelligence to the specific rewards and move the good ones from the middle tiers to the higher tiers and vice versa. For example, nobody would complain about getting 50 sentient XP if that was a reward for a 20 roll because that would meet expectations.

Also, gold rolls are definitely not "free". You only get those by paying for VIP or spending Astral Shards. Even if you didn't personally pay real money for the Astral Shards, the vast majority of Astral Shards in circulation were paid for by someone using real $$ to buy DDO points then using said DDO points to buy the shards. The same applies to a lesser extent for silver rolls - they're not free if someone uses shards for the roll.
 
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Aklubra

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I don't think rolling a silver dice is costless and a 100% free gift. I'll explain: been 1 year I started playing and after a while of silver rolls I started to just not botter to do it most of the days... having to click buttoms, collect rewards and apply them (or just trash them) became more of a shore so the "work" just wasn't worth the "time and effort" I wasted.
 
Rusty_helmet

Rusty_helmet

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I don't support RNG rewards, so the daily dice are something I really don't care about as it just promotes random chance. For me, they can stay as is and the only thing I really value from them is the experience stones when doing heroic leveling. Otherwise it's generally just inventory clutter.
 
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