kmoustakas
Scourge of Xaos
Very true but back then the game was about combat. Now it's about flowersniffing and theater and therapy and feelings.
We also had feelings back then. Feelings of joy, bathing in the blood of our enemies
5th Edition versus 2nd
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We also had feelings back then. Feelings of joy, bathing in the blood of our enemies
shmagmhar
Well-known member
One group I play with is exactly like this ! it can be a nice contrast when you have been in games with zero intrigue or negotiation but it does get a bit boring after awhile
The only D&D Edition I´ve ever played was AD&D 2nd.
Might be a bit unpopular opinion, but I´ve always hated it. I really didn´t like the whole thac0 and AC system and wizards being useless at lvl 1 and overpowered later on...
Haven´t played 5e. All I know about it comes from viewing streams, reading the players handbook and playing BG3.
From what I can tell, it seems to be a bit too complicated in some places, like keeping track what abilities you used how often since the last short rest.
But of course if you have a good DM and a good group, you can have fun with both ...
Might be a bit unpopular opinion, but I´ve always hated it. I really didn´t like the whole thac0 and AC system and wizards being useless at lvl 1 and overpowered later on...
Haven´t played 5e. All I know about it comes from viewing streams, reading the players handbook and playing BG3.
From what I can tell, it seems to be a bit too complicated in some places, like keeping track what abilities you used how often since the last short rest.
But of course if you have a good DM and a good group, you can have fun with both ...
The_Apocalypse
The Chosen One
Ahhh, the "old days", when poison could actually kill you right off.
Honestly, I think 5e is pretty streamlined. It does a lot of things right in respect to keeping the game fun rather than getting bogged down in the rules. Some things are a bit too simplified for my taste like combat initiative but it's a solid edition of the game and if you didn't like AD&D because of things like Thac0, you may find 5e more to your liking.
Guntango
Well-known member
It does if you're a soulknife.
I played Basic, AD&D, 3.5e and 5e. In recent years AD&D and 5e.
5e is great because each class can do a lot more early on. In AD&D it was the role of the Fighter to try and keep everyone alive until the Thief gets enough skills to thieve, the Cleric gets enough spells to heal, and the Magic User gets enough levels to destroy worlds.
5e everyone can do something early on. Certainly ranged damage can get very silly but GMs can add lots of tight corners if it gets out of hand.
Ive never bothered multiclassing in 5e but you can get some ridiculous combos there too.
I have heaps of AD&D modules from the early to mid 1980s and when using them for 5e just buff all the monster numbers and give them max HP. The stories translate just fine. Though it is interesting working out how to explain a Sheik's harem to 11 and 12 year old kids....
5e is great because each class can do a lot more early on. In AD&D it was the role of the Fighter to try and keep everyone alive until the Thief gets enough skills to thieve, the Cleric gets enough spells to heal, and the Magic User gets enough levels to destroy worlds.
5e everyone can do something early on. Certainly ranged damage can get very silly but GMs can add lots of tight corners if it gets out of hand.
Ive never bothered multiclassing in 5e but you can get some ridiculous combos there too.
I have heaps of AD&D modules from the early to mid 1980s and when using them for 5e just buff all the monster numbers and give them max HP. The stories translate just fine. Though it is interesting working out how to explain a Sheik's harem to 11 and 12 year old kids....
Machiavelli
Active member
5th is a joke compared to 2nd. It was created with the easy button for lazy people and written by uninspired lazy people as all they did was repackage old 2nd edition settings and water them down. My daughter and her friends use all my old 2nd edition books after she showed them to the other members of her group and they compared editions.
Thumbed_Servant
Well-known member
I just want to say, "Welcome back Teh_Troll" as we haven't seen an original thread from you in awhile 
Oh, what do you mean by that ? What easy button ?
I recently purchased "Rime of the Frostmaiden" and I think that is a fantastic adventure module. Well written, great art, a lot of bang for the buck...
I think it´s an original 5e module and it certainly doesn´t give me the impression that it´s uninspired or watered down.
Machiavelli
Active member
Just off the top of my head I can think of these repackaged books.
Dungeons & Dragons Quests from The Infinite Staircase
Princes of The Apocalypse: Repackage of the Temples of Elemental Evil
Sword Coast Adventurer’s Guide
Van Richten’s Guide to Ravenloft
Spelljammer: Adventures in Space
Planescape: Adventures in the Multiverse
Starter Set: Lost Mine of Phandelver
Hoard of the Dragon Queen
The Rise of Tiamat
Princes of the Apocalypse
Out of the Abyss
Curse of Strahd
Storm King’s Thunder
Tales from the Yawning Portal
Tomb of Annihilation
Ghosts of Saltmarsh
Heroes of the Borderlands
Forgotten Realms “Heroes of Faerûn” Player Expansion
Forgotten Realms “Adventures in Faerûn” DM Expansion
Hm, but what makes the newer version of these books worse than their predecessors ? Or even "a joke" as you say...
I mean, I don´t know either old or new versions of these, so I´m really curious.
In my opinion it´s perfectly fine to re-release these books adjusted for the current editions.
The only official modules I know so far are the "Stormwreck Isles" starter and as I said "Rime of the Frostmaiden" and both are very well done in my opinion.
So they still release new, original modules as well and as far as I can tell, rather high quality stuff.
Machiavelli
Active member
5E has been out 11 years. 2E was out from 1989 until 2000 so also 11 years. During that time, we saw Spelljammer, Dark Sun, Ravenloft, Planescape, and the shaping of Forgotten Realms with all the boxed sets that made it what people envision DND today. 5E has made it more approachable and simplified the system but what have they created as a company in the last 11 years? The last setting of any value was Eberron from 3 edition. So yes, what makes them worse is they brought nothing to the table but a simpler system and repackage of other people's works to charge again. I would and most people would call Wizards of today and their products jokes.
Teh_Troll
Master of Baiting
I barely play anymore. 6 weeks of unplayable lag broke my habit.I just want to say, "Welcome back Teh_Troll" as we haven't seen an original thread from you in awhile
It's a shame, I loved this game more than Charlie Sheen loved cocaine.
FaceDancer
Olde Wurm
I stopped at 3.5 and pretty much just played in Greyhawk. While I do miss it, I don't have the time for PnP anymore (neither do my friends). 
Wizards has been bumbling and fumbling the IP for a long time now. Right now, it just looks like a really... slow... death (said in Treebeard voice).
The 3 months of BAD play broke me a bit. I'm still playing, but I definitely feel like I'm at a bit of a cross-roads on how much time I want to commit to a game that is so consistently inconsistent.
Wizards has been bumbling and fumbling the IP for a long time now. Right now, it just looks like a really... slow... death (said in Treebeard voice).
The 3 months of BAD play broke me a bit. I'm still playing, but I definitely feel like I'm at a bit of a cross-roads on how much time I want to commit to a game that is so consistently inconsistent.
cdbd3rd
Well-known member
I stopped at 3.5 and pretty much just played in Greyhawk. While I do miss it, I don't have the time for PnP anymore (neither do my friends).
....
Remember when we were young and thought that once we were 'older' we would have all the time in the world to play?
*sadlol*