8th past life and why I quit DDO(again)

[Shear-buckler]

Massive, compared to…

Compared to just about every other game.

 

[Wrensel]

8th past life and why I quit DDO(again)

For some people, DDO is a game that they play and leave frequently. Nothing inherently wrong with that. I've done that too when I hit burnout, life got in the way, or something agitated me enough to take a break.

As far as the the time it takes to level in Heroics at maximum required experience, given enough time, the shock to your system will wear off and it will become an afterthought if you continue to spend more time in DDO. Probably not the desirable thing to hear because it sucks now, but it is what will happen over time.

 

[Jack Jarvis Esquire]

It's a 20+ year old game. Surely by this stage the amount of people who haven't taken a break at some point is in the realm of significant minority ?

 

[Solarpower]

Compared to just about every other game.

"just about every other game" will require me to pay before I would be able to even download it.
I play DDO for free.

For the grind though, yeah. It's quite big.

 

[erethizon1]

"just about every other game" will require me to pay before I would be able to even download it.
I play DDO for free.

For the grind though, yeah. It's quite big.

Free-to-play titles make up an overwhelming majority of active online player bases and generate roughly 85% of total global gaming revenue. I guess if you are talking about single player games, which is a completely different world, then sure, those probably cost money to download them, but in the online world the norm is letting people play for free and then getting them to spend money to make things better.

The subscription model is so unwise because it takes the customers that are willing to spend the most money and caps them at a relatively small amount just to make sure that all players spend the same amount. This particular game is just messed up because Turbine took this game and LOTRO and converted them from subscription to free by trying to sell content piecemeal. They were new to things and didn't realize that it works much better to make all the content free and sell everything else instead.

There is so much to buy in this game that selling the quests themselves is unnecessary and costs them a ton of customers because people leave early when they run out of content. Hopefully they eventually get a clue and make most, if not all, of the content free. I've been buying the old Ultimate editions lately because I want the gold seal hirelings, even though I already own the quests, races, iconics, and tomes. Money can easily be made by selling things other than the quests.

 

[Solarpower]

I guess if you are talking about single player games, which is a completely different world

The message I replied to did not specify the type of games.

but in the online world the norm is letting people play for free and then getting them to spend money to make things better.

Yeah, sure. Like SWtOR, for example, that still sells the additional action bars... And subscription. While being F2P. Too bad that F2P covers something like 1/8 of the game. (At least that game is a LOT cheaper compared to DDO.)

There is so much to buy in this game that selling the quests themselves is unnecessary and costs them a ton of customers because people leave early when they run out of content.

blah-blah-blah history lesson, blah-blah-blah-unnecessary...

Who cares if you CAN get the content for free anyway ? It's completely possible.

And, most importantly, how does all this relate to what OP writes ? They claim they've spent $600 on DDO. ($1200 for 2 accounts.) All the "it's unnecessary" stuff doesn't apply to him, he's already paid.

 

[Jaspar]

There is a massive pay wall.
There is a massive grind wall.

Both of those are significant problems for attracting and retaining new players.

Pretending that this is not true because you dont like the way the OP writes is just dumb.

Exactly this. I do love this forum. A new player points out how hard the game is for new players and people who got all their lives 10 years ago come along and tell them off.

When the small number of whales quit playing this game dies. There is nearly no new people who stay long-term. And having a crack at new players who point out the completely valid issues with the game just makes it worse.

But I guess some people like feeling like DDO is all theirs. And driving away the masses gives them comfort.

XP requirements and all the past lives power makes this 2 completely different games. The ones who have spent a fortune, and the ones who will need to spend a fortune if they want to catch up - but it will still take 5 to 10 years.

In World of Warcraft in a couple of months I can be playing end game raids and mythics with the same power as people who have played for 20 years. Ability is all that is needed to play at the highest level.

 

[Solarpower]

Exactly this. I do love this forum.

What I love about this forum is that every second (if not the first) visitor CANNOT READ !

A new player points out how hard the game is for new players

The "new player" (yeah, 3 years of playing = "new" now, sure) wrote that he HAD ALREADY PAID.
He spent $600 on the game ! There shouldn't be any problems with XP, even in theory.
Either the OP can't read either and didn't know what he was buying (and, as a result, bought the wrong thing). Or he doesn't understand the game.

But in response to all questions and advice, he only swears and even earned a ban for it.
But the people who "got all their lives 10 years ago" are to blame for everything. That's right.

In World of Warcraft in a couple of months I can be playing end game raids and mythics with the same power as people who have played for 20 years.

DDO doesn't have end game. Only the endless cycle of reincarnations.
WoW and WoW-like games realities do not apply here.

 

[Jaspar]

What I love about this forum is that every second (if not the first) visitor CANNOT READ !



The "new player" (yeah, 3 years of playing = "new" now, sure) wrote that he HAD ALREADY PAID.
He spent $600 on the game ! There shouldn't be any problems with XP, even in theory.
Either the OP can't read either and didn't know what he was buying (and, as a result, bought the wrong thing). Or he doesn't understand the game.

But in response to all questions and advice, he only swears and even earned a ban for it.
But the people who "got all their lives 10 years ago" are to blame for everything. That's right.



DDO doesn't have end game. Only the endless cycle of reincarnations.
WoW and WoW-like games realities do not apply here.

Id say up to half of people spend their time at cap. Or it feels like that when I look at the Who list. Which makes sense because this would be the people who either have all the lives, or have all the lives they want.

Certainly there isnt a strong end game community, but plenty of guilds have raid nights once or twice a week. The problem is, there really isnt much reward at all for people who do this. You can get the easy-to-get gear fairly quickly, but the super rare stuff can take months to farm and likely still wont drop.

To the OP in this thread and their post, my comment was more on these types of threads. Not just this one in particular. The forum fanatics revel in driving away new people who dare to post their criticisms of the game. Also, 3 years is still very new for a casual player. You are about 20% in to all of the past lives.

Ive been playing for 15 years and still have 40 or 50 lives to get. Possibly more, since I havent ever counted how many archetype lives there are.

 

[Solarpower]

Id say up to half of people spend their time at cap.

And in the neighboring threads, people complain that most people play exclusively at levels 1-20, and therefore the developers are forced to release Heroic/X expansions instead of Epic/Legendary.
Who to believe ? That's right, no one !
None of the players know what it's really like.

The forum fanatics revel in driving away new people who dare to post their criticisms of the game.

More often than not, people give helpful advice.

Ive been playing for 15 years and still have 40 or 50 lives to get. Possibly more, since I havent ever counted how many archetype lives there are.

It's my 16 year. I have 1 main that I slowly play reincarnating in Sorc-Wizard-Sorc-Wizard-Sorc-Wizard-Drud-Sorc-Druid-Warlock-Drud-Sorc-Druid-Warlock-Drud-Sorc-Druid-Warlock-Alchemist-Drud-Sorc-Druid-etc. cycle.
I don't know and most importantly do not care about "how many PLs the game has" and I have as much as 0 plans to get them all.
All this whining about how "people have 200+ PLs" is a completely imaginary problem.
How come people don't pray to these PLs, as if without them there is nothing in the game at all.

And, again, the OP has problems with GETTING EXPERIENCE, and not with the fact that he doesn't have PLs ! Problems with experience after spending money on content ! PLs has nothing to do with it.

 

[Buddha5440]

There is a massive pay wall.
There is a massive grind wall.

Both of those are significant problems for attracting and retaining new players.

Pretending that this is not true because you dont like the way the OP writes is just dumb.

You , well maybe not "you", can play this game for free and have fun. "You" act like you are competing against people in a game that "you can't win". Even if you buy that red button.

 

[Jaspar]

And in the neighboring threads, people complain that most people play exclusively at levels 1-20, and therefore the developers are forced to release Heroic/X expansions instead of Epic/Legendary.
Who to believe ? That's right, no one !
None of the players know what it's really like.


More often than not, people give helpful advice.


It's my 16 year. I have 1 main that I slowly play reincarnating in Sorc-Wizard-Sorc-Wizard-Sorc-Wizard-Drud-Sorc-Druid-Warlock-Drud-Sorc-Druid-Warlock-Drud-Sorc-Druid-Warlock-Alchemist-Drud-Sorc-Druid-etc. cycle.
I don't know and most importantly do not care about "how many PLs the game has" and I have as much as 0 plans to get them all.
All this whining about how "people have 200+ PLs" is a completely imaginary problem.
How come people don't pray to these PLs, as if without them there is nothing in the game at all.

And, again, the OP has problems with GETTING EXPERIENCE, and not with the fact that he doesn't have PLs ! Problems with experience after spending money on content ! PLs has nothing to do with it.

The power imbalance is not imaginary. Its absolutely enormous. Anyone who says otherwise either doesnt know the game is just straight up lying.

 

[Solarpower]

The power imbalance is not imaginary. Its absolutely enormous. Anyone who says otherwise either doesnt know the game is just straight up lying.

This doesn't interfere with playing in any way.
People with 0 PLs go through the same quests as people with 100+ PLs, kill the same monsters and loot the same chests.

 

[Buddha5440]

The power imbalance is not imaginary. Its absolutely enormous. Anyone who says otherwise either doesnt know the game is just straight up lying.

Why do you care if someone is more powerful than you? This is not a competition. You either like this GAME or you don't, stop comparing yourself to other players.

 

[Vua]

Why do you care if someone is more powerful than you? This is not a competition. You either like this GAME or you don't, stop comparing yourself to other players.

Why do you concern yourself with that they do? There are plenty of reasons to care about what other players are doing. Stop telling people what they should or shouldn't care about. You're unlikely to improve much unless you have something to compare it to.

 

[Jaspar]

Why do you care if someone is more powerful than you? This is not a competition. You either like this GAME or you don't, stop comparing yourself to other players.

I guess we could all just spend all our time playing the game running around naked and level 1. I mean, it doesnt matter, right ?

Did you spend even 2 seconds thinking before posting this?

 

[Guntango]

DDO doesn't have end game. Only the endless cycle of reincarnations.
WoW and WoW-like games realities do not apply here.

lol. Wrong.

 

[erethizon1]

The message I replied to did not specify the type of games.


Yeah, sure. Like SWtOR, for example, that still sells the additional action bars... And subscription. While being F2P. Too bad that F2P covers something like 1/8 of the game. (At least that game is a LOT cheaper compared to DDO.)


blah-blah-blah history lesson, blah-blah-blah-unnecessary...

Who cares if you CAN get the content for free anyway ? It's completely possible.

And, most importantly, how does all this relate to what OP writes ? They claim they've spent $600 on DDO. ($1200 for 2 accounts.) All the "it's unnecessary" stuff doesn't apply to him, he's already paid.

Yes, I don't understand why he spent $600 and is still missing most of the content. That is difficult to do. He's been around long enough I assume he got the free quest code and that alone is enough to never need to repeat a quest, so something about his story doesn't add up.

What you classify as blah-blah-blah history lesson is why the game loses players almost as quickly as they come. If the free quest coupon code is not available at the time they start playing they shortly hit a pay wall and either pay or leave. A large portion of them leave and that is just a waste. Content given away with the free quest code should either be free all the time or 25 store points per quest pack all the time (so they can earn the points to buy a new pack by playing through the previous pack).

 

[Solarpower]

I guess we could all just spend all our time playing the game running around naked and level 1.

Sounds like fun. Let's do it !

lol. Wrong.

We all know, you are wrong.
Thank you very much for confirming this.

What you classify as blah-blah-blah history lesson is why the game loses players almost as quickly as they come

I just didn't want to get distracted by discussing this, since it's all irrelevant to this topic.
The person has the content. Period. They don't have any issues with being late getting the code or anything like that. All this talk is pointless.

 

[Buddha5440]

...Stop telling people what they should or shouldn't care about. You're unlikely to improve much unless you have something to compare it to.

That is exactly what you are doing.