A few melee warlock questions

fitzabir

Well-known member
thinking of building a new melee warlock (SWF, with the aura blast and Utterdark Blast) and some things i can't figure out.
1. I know blasts scale with spell power, do the pact dice scale too?
2. If i take the Primal Avatar mantle (heart, of course), will it proc on the aura? and what damage will it do: fire, light or both? also, since im casting AND melee-ing, can the aura proc on both?
3. can the mantles of Exalted angel proc on the aura? if they can, which of the 2 is better if the aura is fire and light together?
4. overall, which aura will be better for me?

many thanks!
 

Zergz

New member
Since nobody has replied I will throw my two cents in. I cannot attest to exalted angel effectiveness on a melee auralock but primal avatar is a beast of a poor man’s destiny if you will. Your pact does not need to match your mantle in primal avatar if you go thorn because all warlock pacts have force.
Each element can proc 1 time every 5 seconds and the mantle strikes carrion swarm and shard storm can both proc acid or poison from much greater range than your aura. What’s left gets cleaned up with melee and evades tentacles. Mobs will gladly fight you in the tentacles. In melee, force, acid, or poison can proc all at once or against separate enemies in an independent 5 second span.
what you’re asking is a really complicated question but a melee auralock is a beast in primal. I started on a new server and did 3 pdk warlock lives and I could do legendary reaper quests at 28 because I just had so much hit points and temporary hit points. Whatever extra healing you’re going to get out of exalted angel or primal heart is really overkill unless you want to heal others.
 

rabidfox

The People's Champion
  • We have modified the following Destiny Mantles to work with Eldritch Blast under these circumstances:
    • EA
      • Angelic Form: Fire damage now triggers on Fiend eldritch blasts hitting an enemy
      • Wrathful Form: AoE flames now trigger off Fiend eldritch blasts hitting an enemy
      • Angelic/Wrathful Form: Cinders now trigger off of fiend eldritch blasts hitting an enemy
    • Magus
      • Flash of the Eclipse: Cold damage now triggers off Carceri eldritch blasts hitting an enemy
      • Flash of the Eclipse: Negative damage now triggers off of Abyss eldritch blasts hitting an enemy
      • Flash of the Eclipse: Shattermantle now triggers off of either carceri or abyss warlock blasts hitting an enemy
    • Primal
      • Thorn: Acid damage now triggers off of Great Old One eldritch blasts hitting an enemy
      • Heart: Fire damage now triggers off of Fiend eldritch blasts hitting an enemy
      • Storm: Electric damage now triggers off of celestial eldritch blasts hitting an enemy
      • Storm: Cold damage now triggers off of Carceri eldritch blasts hitting an enemy
      • Storm: Sonic damage now triggers off of Fey eldritch blasts hitting an enemy


As for what mantle to use, I'd use EA's barrier. It'll do constant light & fire AoE ticks every 2.5 seconds to the mobs already in your melee range and debuff mobs by 5 MRR/PRR increasing your damage overall. Plus you can use turn with shadows upon you to do another 5 mrr/prr debuffs.
 

rabidfox

The People's Champion
I know blasts scale with spell power, do the pact dice scale too?
Yes. Pact will scale off it's spell type (and crit / crit damage).

Blast will scale off force unless you take utterdark in which case it scales off light. Force doesn't increase with MRR debuffs, so you're best off using utterdark to make your blast type do evil damage so you'll do even more damage.
 

h46av8r

Well-known member
Note Chaosmancer (optionally using a +1 lesser heart) opens up interesting build options since you can strip elemental immunities (versus previously you had to go fire and tiefling).
 

Bjond

Well-known member
1. I know blasts scale with spell power, do the pact dice scale too?
2. If i take the Primal Avatar mantle (heart, of course), will it proc on the aura? and what damage will it do: fire, light or both? also, since im casting AND melee-ing, can the aura proc on both?
3. can the mantles of Exalted angel proc on the aura? if they can, which of the 2 is better if the aura is fire and light together?
4. overall, which aura will be better for me?
Probably late for answers, but been testing these a bit for a build idea:
  1. Yes. Pact scales on spell power.
  2. Yes. Primal mantle triggers on spell or physical. 5s CD.
  3. Yes. EA will trigger on Fiend or AotS, but not others.
  4. Unknown. EA Wrath for melee, but Primal for petty builds.
EA Wrath applies a self-centered AE exactly the same size as ES aura. It's always both fire+light on the pulse regardless of the trigger, which can be fire, light, or positive (renewal & consecration work). Only fire-pact auto-attacks will trigger it: fiend and AotS. ES aura has to hit a hostile for wrath to trigger -- it won't fire walking around town. Also, no one but you can see the blasts. To others, you'll look like you're running around doing nothing until mobs keel over.

EA Angel only applies to the target of the spell and has a 5s CD, but it only applies the type of the spell that triggered it (light on light, fire on fire).

Primal Mantle is like EA for spells (type trigger = type proc, 5s CD), but also triggers on melee and ranged attacks. Shared mantle gives this proc to ALL your minions: pets, summons, charms. Each minion and element has it's own CD; ie. melee or ranged auto attacks give pets 3x procs every 5s scaled on your power.
 
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