A new mentality for doing quests as a solo first-lifer.

1Th13rteen3

I'm on meds.. Leaf me alone!
Ok so here's the deal. Ive been gone from this game for quite some time, and I don't know the quests like the back of my hand. It seems that EVERYONE now only runs R1. I feel like there are noobies that try this game out and they are either never doing the LFM (because no one joins anything below R1 any way...) or they get frustrated and leave. For me, personally - I have been getting frustrated by joining R1 groups and being as useless as a (certain bodily orifice) on my elbow, because mainly whats happening is it goes like this. I look up a build, they either REQUIRE tomes I do not have, or past lives I do not have. It seems like the community as a whole stays away from first life builds like strahd would stay away from mother Teresa or something... So trying new builds that are posted are hit or miss, so what I end up doing is putting my own spin or flavor on such builds to suit my gameplaying objectives, and this usually trashes the build or changes it in a detrimental way. When I try to join an R1 group - its usually someone with LOTS more hp than I do and 1 shots everything and just zooms across the map and either leaves mobs up that kill me or slows me down. One bad experience I had was in Ravenloft for the quest "An Invitation to Dinner". Ran R1 and when it got to the staircase part the person leading jumped all the way down and somehow entered the door at the bottom INSTANTLY. This left up 3 wraiths that wouldn't let me enter the door cause kept getting interrupted, then was knocked unconscious then dead. I rezzed and then promptly left the group, because IT WAS NOT FUN AT ALL AND THE IDEA OF THIS GAME I THOUGHT WAS TO HAVE FUN.

So it led me to do this instead. I wont join any LFMs because why bother. So as a (now after all the other shenanigans thats been happening) am a F2P player (permanently) and thusly I cannot run anything on hard/elite, so I adopted a new mentality: Run EVERYTHING on Normal. The reasoning for this is as such, I looked on the wiki at all the quests and the exp you get from hard/elite, and let me tell you, the juice simply isnt worth the squeeze. I run trappers almost every single life, and with first time run bonuses, flawless victories (which are easily achievable on normal) and shrines that can be used over and over again and me not knowing the quests, its just a far far far more relaxing and chill (read: FUN and ENJOYING) experience to just be matched to the content, rather than feeling like dead weight as a bad build first lifer in an LFM perma riding the soulstone express. People usually dont like pikers, but if you are gonna be a first lifer in an R1 youre gonna be piking any way so... Better to avoid the repair bill and the boring watching someone else play the game while you are in their pocket.

Last night I exercised this and ran Threnal on norm and hit every trap, broke every box, and killed every mob I could and I got way more exp on each leg of the journey than I think I would have even gotten on elite. So rather than being a sweaty tryhard running everything on the max diff on a 1st life character and living in frustration, I think this is way better for me. The exp you gain (BASE) from running hard/elite, the amount you get (usually 200 exp more LOL!!!) just is not worth it.

So I dont care if I am F2P and cant open hard/elite, I a perfectly fine being a 1st lifer norm running scrub perma solo. At least I can enjoy the game better in this way.
So to any newbies who are struggling playing the game, just open the wiki, run the highest exp yield quests on NORMAL (2 times if you have to) and roll trappers to offset the penalties and you'll be fine. I feel like R1 being the "gold standard" now has only hurt the game more than anything, but that's just me.
 
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1Th13rteen3

I'm on meds.. Leaf me alone!
Im gonna give an example of a normal quest running it 2 times so youll see what I mean. Sure you get first time bonuses if you run it on hard and elite, but this post isn't about that - because thats boring and running the same quest 2 times per life, especially if it's long is boring enough so - 2 times max, normal only are the criteria. The example is as follows:

some_random_quest - numbers breakdown.
Lets say this quest awards 4000 BASE exp. before multipliers and bonuses.
lets say you do traps, thats +30% exp. Thats literally 1,200 more exp.
first time completion bonus: +20%. This right here is the offset for running it again. Because the second time you run it, will be -20%
So basically just assume for every single quest you run twice, just ignore the first time bonus - because at 2 times they will cancel each other out.
BUT you do the traps on that second run too, so thats 1,200 more exp. so now you are at 5,200 exp + 5,200 exp.
THATS 10,400 EXP for 2 normal quests. Since I am a first lifer and dont care about reaper, or reaper points because they literally will do nothing for me outside of reaper, none of that applies. 10,400 exp for 2 runs on NORMAL is insane. The bonuses are just that good. I havent even figured in ransack, onslaught, and flawless bonuses but it makes it even better. So some of you might argue with me, but from a clear leveling and exp standpoint, if you are bad at this game, have a bad build, and first lifer or learning this game - for me at least you will have a MUCH better and enjoyable time just soloing stuff on normal.

For me this is the reality when it comes to DDO until I get like 50 PLs under my belt.
 

1Th13rteen3

I'm on meds.. Leaf me alone!
2 itrs fixes that only a problem to 20
Makes sense, I guess if you want to skip a lot of content - but I wanna play the earlier level stuff and get used to a build. But I see what you mean. Run an Iconic to 20 30 2x and can do hard/elite. The issue is if its still a bad build it will "maybe" struggle on hard, and probably more so on elite. For now just learning (re-learning) the game and getting back used to everything I think this is the way. I think the issue is people get in a hurry and want to be "uber" overnight, and this is what causes the issue. I wanted to level fast and so I thought, hey ill join R1's because of the social aspect but there isnt much social stuff going on when I feel like people think I am a terrible player and/or person because I cant stay alive longer than 5 minutes or kill anything.
 
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Yulrem

Legend of the Troubled
Ok so here's the deal. Ive been gone from this game for quite some time, and I don't know the quests like the back of my hand. It seems that EVERYONE now only runs R1. I feel like there are noobies that try this game out and they are either never doing the LFM (because no one joins anything below R1 any way...) or they get frustrated and leave. For me, personally - I have been getting frustrated by joining R1 groups and being as useless as a (certain bodily orifice) on my elbow, because mainly whats happening is it goes like this. I look up a build, they either REQUIRE tomes I do not have, or past lives I do not have. It seems like the community as a whole stays away from first life builds like strahd would stay away from mother Teresa or something... So trying new builds that are posted are hit or miss, so what I end up doing is putting my own spin or flavor on such builds to suit my gameplaying objectives, and this usually trashes the build or changes it in a detrimental way. When I try to join an R1 group - its usually someone with LOTS more hp than I do and 1 shots everything and just zooms across the map and either leaves mobs up that kill me or slows me down. One bad experience I had was in Ravenloft for the quest "An Invitation to Dinner". Ran R1 and when it got to the staircase part the person leading jumped all the way down and somehow entered the door at the bottom INSTANTLY. This left up 3 wraiths that wouldn't let me enter the door cause kept getting interrupted, then was knocked unconscious then dead. I rezzed and then promptly left the group, because IT WAS NOT FUN AT ALL AND THE IDEA OF THIS GAME I THOUGHT WAS TO HAVE FUN.

So it led me to do this instead. I wont join any LFMs because why bother. So as a (now after all the other shenanigans thats been happening) am a F2P player (permanently) and thusly I cannot run anything on hard/elite, so I adopted a new mentality: Run EVERYTHING on Normal. The reasoning for this is as such, I looked on the wiki at all the quests and the exp you get from hard/elite, and let me tell you, the juice simply isnt worth the squeeze. I run trappers almost every single life, and with first time run bonuses, flawless victories (which are easily achievable on normal) and shrines that can be used over and over again and me not knowing the quests, its just a far far far more relaxing and chill (read: FUN and ENJOYING) experience to just be matched to the content, rather than feeling like dead weight as a bad build first lifer in an LFM perma riding the soulstone express. People usually dont like pikers, but if you are gonna be a first lifer in an R1 youre gonna be piking any way so... Better to avoid the repair bill and the boring watching someone else play the game while you are in their pocket.

Last night I exercised this and ran Threnal on norm and hit every trap, broke every box, and killed every mob I could and I got way more exp on each leg of the journey than I think I would have even gotten it on elite. So rather than being a sweaty tryhard running everything on the max diff on a 1st life character and living in frustration, I think this is way better for me. The exp you gain (BASE) from running hard/elite, the amount you get (usually 200 exp more LOL!!!) just is not worth it.

So I dont care if I am F2P and cant open hard/elite, I a perfectly fine being a 1st lifer norm running scrub perma solo. At least I can enjoy the game better in this way.
So to any newbies who are struggling playing the game, just open the wiki, run the highest exp yield quests on NORMAL (2 times if you have to) and roll trappers to offset the penalties and you'll be fine. I feel like R1 being the "gold standard" now has only hurt the game more than anything, but that's just me.

This and plenty of much worse veteran player attitude and behaviour lead me to the same conclusion a year ago. I even tried to organise a new player team to explore the whole game together but that initiation SSG strangled.

Don't worry. I'm level 27 now, played all the content up to this level alone. Not ideal but you'll be fine.
 

1Th13rteen3

I'm on meds.. Leaf me alone!
This and plenty of much worse veteran player attitude and behaviour lead me to the same conclusion a year ago. I even tried to organise a new player team to explore the whole game together but that initiation SSG strangled.

Don't worry. I'm level 27 now, played all the content up to this level alone. Not ideal but you'll be fine.
No one ever complained or anything. Like no one ever was toxic and said I was useless, they were pretty chill - and maybe it's just me but "I FELT VERY USELESS AND DIDNT FEEL LIKE THE GAME WAS SUPPOSED TO BE PLAYED LIKE THIS" So therein lies the crux of the matter, it wasnt fun to me because I felt like I wasn't contributing at all. Couple that with some remarks that HAVE been said on this very forum about first lifers and then you can kinda guess what peoples' perceptions are of a player who is more down than up. I felt bad not being able to jump over a trap, due to lag or low HP getting 1 shot by said trap and watching players backtrack time and time again to come get my stone, take time to run me to a shrine, wait for me to rezz, and then continue on with the run, only to die again again and again. It felt like if anything ~I~ was causing the run to take longer and be more difficult.

Something about this premise feels very odd and have, in almost 30 years of playing MMO's (since EQ1 in 1999) have never felt this way or had to deal with this. Heck even in EQ1 when people would die back in vanilla and need an inviz/sow/corpse locate or summon, it wasnt as bad. Meaning I didnt DIE every time I did something because for the most part I only went into content that matched my level. I never went into Bastion of Thunder at level 20 trying to solo or be in some group and the get 1 shot by a Jord Tyv (giant rogue), because usually by the time I get to BoT I was at least able to hold my own, and they too had a prestige mechanic (AA's). That aside, it feels like if I try to join an R1 to get carried, I literally get carried and cant do anything to contribute - and that's what this is about, pulling thy own weight. When I feel like I cant even pull my own weight because I am in over my head, this game becomes unfun and more of an experience in frustration.
 

woq

Well-known member
Have fun, hope this works out for you better. Everyone should strive to enjoy the game in a way that works for them, and avoid ones that don't. It's perfectly fine to take it as slow as you want!

I also suffered from the spotlight effect starting out. Only played alone despite encouragement from a friend to join LFMs, somehow it felt intimidating and I wanted to learn on my own first and thus didn't dare join groups. Later I've found that people don't really mind, or if they do they'll avoid posting lfms or put in something that informs of their style of play in the lfm like "zerging" or "moving fast" etc.
 

Yulrem

Legend of the Troubled
No one ever complained or anything. Like no one ever was toxic and said I was useless, they were pretty chill - and maybe it's just me but "I FELT VERY USELESS AND DIDNT FEEL LIKE THE GAME WAS SUPPOSED TO BE PLAYED LIKE THIS" So therein lies the crux of the matter, it wasnt fun to me because I felt like I wasn't contributing at all. Couple that with some remarks that HAVE been said on this very forum about first lifers and then you can kinda guess what peoples' perceptions are of a player who is more down than up. I felt bad not being able to jump over a trap, due to lag or low HP getting 1 shot by said trap and watching players backtrack time and time again to come get my stone, take time to run me to a shrine, wait for me to rezz, and then continue on with the run, only to die again again and again. It felt like if anything ~I~ was causing the run to take longer and be more difficult.

Something about this premise feels very odd and have, in almost 30 years of playing MMO's (since EQ1 in 1999) have never felt this way or had to deal with this. Heck even in EQ1 when people would die back in vanilla and need an inviz/sow/corpse locate or summon, it wasnt as bad. Meaning I didnt DIE every time I did something because for the most part I only went into content that matched my level. I never went into Bastion of Thunder at level 20 trying to solo or be in some group and the get 1 shot by a Jord Tyv (giant rogue), because usually by the time I get to BoT I was at least able to hold my own, and they too had a prestige mechanic (AA's). That aside, it feels like if I try to join an R1 to get carried, I literally get carried and cant do anything to contribute - and that's what this is about, pulling thy own weight. When I feel like I cant even pull my own weight because I am in over my head, this game becomes unfun and more of an experience in frustration.
I was kicked out of my first guild for asking new player question while the guild was very loud about being new player friendly.

Another occasion a veteran player tried to help me so... he opened doors for me...

They have no idea how to be new player friendly.
 

1Th13rteen3

I'm on meds.. Leaf me alone!
Only played alone despite encouragement from a friend to join LFMs, somehow it felt intimidating and I wanted to learn on my own first and thus didn't dare join groups.
This is exactly what I am dealing with now. I know the players "seem" to not mind, but the concensus here on the forums, and no one here can argue with me on this is "The optimal route is to get through the quest as fast as possible". When I see people say stuff like this and I keep dying due to some BS out of my control lol and I feel like I am slowing people down, I guess I just feel bad for them is all. Like, "bro - youre much more powerful than me and you put up an LFM and now all youre doing is running me back and forth between the shrines, I am sorry :("

Just feels bad
 

1Th13rteen3

I'm on meds.. Leaf me alone!
I was kicked out of my first guild for asking new player question while the guild was very loud about being new player friendly.

Another occasion a veteran player tried to help me so... he opened doors for me...

They have no idea how to be new player friendly.
I am very sorry you had to deal with that... No player should have to deal with that. Ever.

**Btw this thread is in no way, shape, or form a dig at SSG. This is a great game, and I would definitely change some things around, maybe make it more new player friendly, but I am not sure how to do that. I would have to sit down and think long and hard how do to that, this intent of this thread was to outline what myself, as more or less a new player first lifer is experiencing and how it feels, maybe as a feedback thing for the game to hopefully improve. I know with the other issues there is a lot on the plate right now, and I get it - I know this is one of those temporary things that will pass over time as I get better, earn PL's and such, but I will say this at this time very emphatically - the new player experience is not good. Not good at all.
 
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