A serious question to SSG staff

[Beast]

To whomever has the gust to answer, HONESTLY.
I know this post will be bombed and or deleted and or closed because.... just because.
But I have to try anyway.
WHY LOTRO (the 1st class game) has better class balance, has WAY BETTER customers (yes, this is on us, for sure)
It has more love, and by love, I mean, care, care for the class balance, class gets reworked, tweaked, not killed (remember casters in DDo? personally I do)
Now it's the time for Inquisitive. that in Endgame, with 800 past lives, perfect gear, in r10 is strong... and what happens?
You nerf it hard, but not just for r10 where it should be tweaked (it's quite different, you know) you nerf the base class so that is no more usable.
SO WHY DEVELOPERS WORKS DIFFERENTLY EVEN IF IN THE SAME COMPANY?

that's my question.
I'm a romantic guy so I still hope for an answer and not a closure of the thread.

cheers

 

[Geezer]

This is always what disturbs me. When they rebalance (aka nerf) a class, tree, or whatever because its op at cap, they basically nerf it right at low levels so its no longer fun to play anymore. I simply dont get it. Nerf it at the top.

 

[seph1roth5]

It did kind of suck to read what lotro gets for their vip lol. I think they could open up the bank/sell from anywhere?

 

[Anurakh]

The grass always looks greener on the other side. LOTRO VIPs don't even get the shared bank like here; they have to buy basic shared storage to enjoy the extra VIP storage.

Both games suffer from the same predatory monetization model. Make no mistake. The model is the same on both sides: tremendously abusive.

LOTRO doesn't have perfect class balance either. It's just that their numbers are simpler and it's easier to balance, but it's not perfect either.

And yes, it sucks that SSG's nerfs obliterate playstyles and entire classes. Instead of nerfing the Inquisitive, we should be talking about bringing casters back to the end game, which have been practically absent since the spellcasting nerfs. They should be talking about getting the warlock out of its pathetic state, which has been in that state for I don't know how many years.

 

[Beast]

It did kind of suck to read what lotro gets for their vip lol. I think they could open up the bank/sell from anywhere?

VIP in Lotro is a powerfull tool, in DDo it's just a tool.
IF in DDo for the ridicolous price of the VIP gave the permanent bonus of 50% exp like an exp pot. they would have more vip and less premium. and it would be fair, relabalancing the ridicolous amount of exp needed to get to completionist.
IF by any chance some of the devs would read this i'll give them a free example of how good marketing is done (the smart way)
Reducing exp needed makes us level faster and the need to reincarnate is more frequent, that said, we would need a reincarnation timer reset.
Making more exp means that we would in a normal reincarnation life, run LESS quests, meaning we would do less favor, thefore less DDo point, so we have to buy them instead of farming them...
It's not rocket sience, it's just extremely basic logical reasoning, no need to get a phd in marketing or whatever.
Doing reckless nerfs and such, I feel more motivated NOT to spend and invest in a game, even if I love it, but seeing how the DDo SSG part is ruining the state of the game, I don' know.
I got back from a looong pause, just to play and 1 month after I'm back they nerf again another class i like, because in a niche spot it overperforms...
I can't say what I'm thinking.

 

[Beast]

The grass always looks greener on the other side. LOTRO VIPs don't even get the shared bank like here; they have to buy basic shared storage to enjoy the extra VIP storage.

Both games suffer from the same predatory monetization model. Make no mistake. The model is the same on both sides: tremendously abusive.

LOTRO doesn't have perfect class balance either. It's just that their numbers are simpler and it's easier to balance, but it's not perfect either.

And yes, it sucks that SSG's nerfs obliterate playstyles and entire classes. Instead of nerfing the Inquisitive, we should be talking about bringing casters back to the end game, which have been practically absent since the spellcasting nerfs. They should be talking about getting the warlock out of its pathetic state, which has been in that state for I don't know how many years.

why I see more interested pepole in the health of the game here than in the actual game company?
It's offensive, at best.
Marketing is terrible.
Game balance is... unspeakable
BUT, i played both of the games, and I have to admit that VIP is way better in LOTRO, let's be honest, they have more juice in it, many expansions covered? want to talk about it? Fast travel? Bank\Mail from everywhere? exp isn't an issue in Lotro and you can farm pretty quickily enough points (+ VIP lotro points) to get shared bank.
DDo is terrible, sadly is one of the games i love most.
A game this old, has 2 ways.
1) it's so famous it goes on anwyway with reduced things, ingame market, etc
2) goes a little deep and chance the marketing to see if it can grab new customers.
I think that DDo, if the learning curve is surpassed, has a lot to offer to many, but the mere paywall you hit your head on at first is ridicolous.
Then the old ui, the complete absence of quality of life, that could be so easy to make the game less frustrating...
but enough words to the wind.

 

[rabidfox]

WHY LOTRO (the 1st class game) has better class balance
It has more love, and by love, I mean, care, care for the class balance, class gets reworked, tweaked, not killed (remember casters in DDo? personally I do)

As someone who plays both games, I find this funny. I've had classes (specfic class lines) changed in a ways that I no longer wanted to play them in LOTRO; where I then had to swap to either a different playstyle and/or an alt of a different class. I've taken huge breaks in LOTRO when they altered something I enjoyed in a way I no longer enjoyed. DDO at least leasts me TR and keep playing the same character.

LOTRO is fairly traditional MMO in the sense you level via easily handed to you gear and only really worry about the latest cap for gearing up & builds are more limited than DDO. Levling balance points have to be just good enough to get thru the landscape to cap (with cap being more relevant for needing the main balance focus) while DDO has the TR train so there's more concerns about balance across all level ranges.

I don't think the devs love LOTRO more, I think DDO gives a ton of freedom with builds, multi-classing, and gear tetris that the devs can't truly prepare for as we'll come up with combos they didn't expect.

 

[PraetorPlato]

You nerf it hard

Inqui didn't get nerfed—recent patch was roughly flat (significantly more burst damage, slightly less non-burst)

 

[Mornyngstar]

I don't think the devs love LOTRO more, I think DDO gives a ton of freedom with builds, multi-classing, and gear tetris that the devs can't truly prepare for as we'll come up with combos they didn't expect.

This reminds me of the anime Bofuri (Bofuri: I Don't Want to Get Hurt, so I'll Max Out My Defense) and the devs in the anime complaining they didn't know what strange combo Maple was going to come up with next. Also, most other players kept saying she was the end boss now and had given up on being human.

 

[Beast]

As someone who plays both games, I find this funny. I've had classes (specfic class lines) changed in a ways that I no longer wanted to play them in LOTRO; where I then had to swap to either a different playstyle and/or an alt of a different class. I've taken huge breaks in LOTRO when they altered something I enjoyed in a way I no longer enjoyed. DDO at least leasts me TR and keep playing the same character.

LOTRO is fairly traditional MMO in the sense you level via easily handed to you gear and only really worry about the latest cap for gearing up & builds are more limited than DDO. Levling balance points have to be just good enough to get thru the landscape to cap (with cap being more relevant for needing the main balance focus) while DDO has the TR train so there's more concerns about balance across all level ranges.

I don't think the devs love LOTRO more, I think DDO gives a ton of freedom with builds, multi-classing, and gear tetris that the devs can't truly prepare for as we'll come up with combos they didn't expect.

So, I do remember when we had full spec possibility in Lotro, when you had choices like in DDo (for now, who knows...)
This nerfs we are suffering, the completely unnecessary and not wanted changes (aka, imbue dices)
We adapt so survive the mess, living in the illusion of the game it was.

 

[Monkey_Archer]

Now it's the time for Inquisitive. that in Endgame, with 800 past lives, perfect gear, in r10 is strong... and what happens?
You nerf it hard, but not just for r10 where it should be tweaked (it's quite different, you know) you nerf the base class so that is no more usable.

Whatever you are smoking, shr plz

 

[Jasparius]

To whomever has the gust to answer, HONESTLY.
I know this post will be bombed and or deleted and or closed because.... just because.
But I have to try anyway.
WHY LOTRO (the 1st class game) has better class balance, has WAY BETTER customers (yes, this is on us, for sure)
It has more love, and by love, I mean, care, care for the class balance, class gets reworked, tweaked, not killed (remember casters in DDo? personally I do)
Now it's the time for Inquisitive. that in Endgame, with 800 past lives, perfect gear, in r10 is strong... and what happens?
You nerf it hard, but not just for r10 where it should be tweaked (it's quite different, you know) you nerf the base class so that is no more usable.
SO WHY DEVELOPERS WORKS DIFFERENTLY EVEN IF IN THE SAME COMPANY?

that's my question.
I'm a romantic guy so I still hope for an answer and not a closure of the thread.

cheers

Inquis didnt get nerfed. They fixed a bug and modified a couple of things which people are saying ended up as a bit of a boost.

 

[Beast]

Inquis didnt get nerfed. They fixed a bug and modified a couple of things which people are saying ended up as a bit of a boost.

and the fools will answer nerfing even more one of the few decent universal trees left to go through the chore of TR without going insane.

 

[Jasparius]

and the fools will answer nerfing even more one of the few decent universal trees left to go through the chore of TR without going insane.

Its not decent its ridiculous.

 

[Greekthunder]

To whomever has the gust to answer, HONESTLY.
I know this post will be bombed and or deleted and or closed because.... just because.
But I have to try anyway.
WHY LOTRO (the 1st class game) has better class balance, has WAY BETTER customers (yes, this is on us, for sure)
It has more love, and by love, I mean, care, care for the class balance, class gets reworked, tweaked, not killed (remember casters in DDo? personally I do)
Now it's the time for Inquisitive. that in Endgame, with 800 past lives, perfect gear, in r10 is strong... and what happens?
You nerf it hard, but not just for r10 where it should be tweaked (it's quite different, you know) you nerf the base class so that is no more usable.
SO WHY DEVELOPERS WORKS DIFFERENTLY EVEN IF IN THE SAME COMPANY?

that's my question.
I'm a romantic guy so I still hope for an answer and not a closure of the thread.

cheers

I am new to these games but I played WoW for many years . Class nerfing and balancing happens weekly without even warning ruining players experience all the time. this happens to every online game and it’s sad and painful to people invested in their main toon

 

[Beast]

I am new to these games but I played WoW for many years . Class nerfing and balancing happens weekly without even warning ruining players experience all the time. this happens to every online game and it’s sad and painful to people invested in their main toon

Well I played first WoW than this.
So i know something about game balances, and even tho balance happens in other games,yes,other games, not only WoW, it's rarely a devastating, game breaking nerf, because, supposing you know what we are talking about there is a LOT of difference between balance, and nerf to ground.
Jus to let you understand the reach of their "balance" last time they balanced casters.. well, there are no casters at end game, casters are not fun to play right now.
They are so devoted to kill fun, that they overdo and destroy said build, for years, without hearing the cryout or the questions, but listening just to some fat whales.
That said, you could ask me, why you play this game then?
because i love the game, dispite how they keep on trashing it to the ground. It's a complicated love story.

 

[Elminster]

To whomever has the gust to answer, HONESTLY.
I know this post will be bombed and or deleted and or closed because.... just because.
But I have to try anyway.
WHY LOTRO (the 1st class game) has better class balance, has WAY BETTER customers (yes, this is on us, for sure)
It has more love, and by love, I mean, care, care for the class balance, class gets reworked, tweaked, not killed (remember casters in DDo? personally I do)
Now it's the time for Inquisitive. that in Endgame, with 800 past lives, perfect gear, in r10 is strong... and what happens?
You nerf it hard, but not just for r10 where it should be tweaked (it's quite different, you know) you nerf the base class so that is no more usable.
SO WHY DEVELOPERS WORKS DIFFERENTLY EVEN IF IN THE SAME COMPANY?

that's my question.
I'm a romantic guy so I still hope for an answer and not a closure of the thread.

cheers

Uhhh , they ended up buffing Inquisitives not nerfing them.

 

[Jasparius]

I am new to these games but I played WoW for many years . Class nerfing and balancing happens weekly without even warning ruining players experience all the time. this happens to every online game and it’s sad and painful to people invested in their main toon

If a 5% change ruins your experience then DDO is probably the only MMO for you. Unless you choose a class which gets a 40% nerf whenever they get around to it.

 

[Smokewolf]

To whomever has the gust to answer, HONESTLY.
I know this post will be bombed and or deleted and or closed because.... just because.
But I have to try anyway.
WHY LOTRO (the 1st class game) has better class balance, has WAY BETTER customers (yes, this is on us, for sure)
It has more love, and by love, I mean, care, care for the class balance, class gets reworked, tweaked, not killed (remember casters in DDo? personally I do)
Now it's the time for Inquisitive. that in Endgame, with 800 past lives, perfect gear, in r10 is strong... and what happens?
You nerf it hard, but not just for r10 where it should be tweaked (it's quite different, you know) you nerf the base class so that is no more usable.
SO WHY DEVELOPERS WORKS DIFFERENTLY EVEN IF IN THE SAME COMPANY?

that's my question.
I'm a romantic guy so I still hope for an answer and not a closure of the thread.

cheers

So are you expecting a serious answer? (don't hold your breath)

 

[GrizzlyOso]

So are you expecting a serious answer? (don't hold your breath)

It’s crazy because we KNOW a staff member reads all of these threads but they decide to only respond to bizarre threads . So they’re reading all this and just completely ignoring everything.

To be fair , this OP was pretty hard to read.