All TR hearts should be available from heart seeds

[Seppi Pearlsmith]

If I remember correctly, that was the plan when the heart seeds were released but some players complained that they shouldn't get rid of the token system ... so they kept it. But maybe I am wrong ... I am old.

You are partially right, they wanted to get rid of the token system but in favour of hearts bought from the shop not the free seeds... that's why people complained.

 

[Ethril]

You are partially right, they wanted to get rid of the token system but in favour of hearts bought from the shop not the free seeds... that's why people complained.

You could earn them, but it was going to be painfully slow.

 

[droid327]

First, that's not true. You are making an opportunity cost every time you choose hearts instead of other end rewards. That any other rewards are useless is actually not a fault of the heart seed program, but on the failures of end rewards and random loot in general.
Secondly... We're LITERALLY giving more uses to heart seeds... hence, it's inherently a trade off.

Yes... many players, after having years of a dearth of places to spend heart seeds may have a lot. This is analogous to when the S/S/S system was deprecated and many players suddenly were rewarded for years of grinding without clear purpose.

Your *critiques* are actually points in its favor and analogies to previous times the devs have made things less grindy in general.

Yes, if there were other good quest rewards that you could take in lieu of seeds, then seeds would be less of a junk mat, that'd be a tradeoff and create opportunity cost

If seeds had other uses, they'd be less of a junk mat, that'd be a tradeoff and create opportunity cost

But that's not the case in the game. Right now they're a junk mat, and so they dont correspond to an opportunity cost.

And you're right, this idea would create another use for seeds and thus make them less of a junk mat...but the problem is your argument becomes circular. You're justifying making +1 hearts available for seeds because it has an opportunity cost, and you're justifying the opportunity cost by saying they're now usable to buy +1 seeds. Seeds need more things to buy, but it cant be something as inherently valuable and otherwise difficult to obtain as a +1 heart. You need to start by creating options for seeds that arent so powerful and valuable that they need the opportunity cost justified. Then you can weigh that opportunity cost against larger and larger alternatives.

 

[Bobbryan2]

Yes, if there were other good quest rewards that you could take in lieu of seeds, then seeds would be less of a junk mat, that'd be a tradeoff and create opportunity cost

If seeds had other uses, they'd be less of a junk mat, that'd be a tradeoff and create opportunity cost

But that's not the case in the game. Right now they're a junk mat, and so they dont correspond to an opportunity cost.

And you're right, this idea would create another use for seeds and thus make them less of a junk mat...but the problem is your argument becomes circular. You're justifying making +1 hearts available for seeds because it has an opportunity cost, and you're justifying the opportunity cost by saying they're now usable to buy +1 seeds. Seeds need more things to buy, but it cant be something as inherently valuable and otherwise difficult to obtain as a +1 heart. You need to start by creating options for seeds that arent so powerful and valuable that they need the opportunity cost justified. Then you can weigh that opportunity cost against larger and larger alternatives.

How are +1 LR Hearts "powerful"
They would basically just exist to make a grindy option to actually use Iconic builds, and to clean up 1 level mistakes.

You're equating powerful with convenient. Telling.
But why not add Epic Hearts, Iconic Hearts, Blood Hearts, Wood Hearts, +1 LR Hearts, and +5 LR Hearts to heart seeds at various denominations.
People would blow through their stacks pretty fast if they're on the TR train... and then the grind to eventually TR gets wrapped up in basic epic questing.

There is really no downside. You keep pointing out ways that this suggestion makes all your points better, but then argue it doesn't do enough on its own.

Well... no single suggestion does that, typically, does it?

 

[Svirfneblin]

Add +1 Hearts to the Seeds list too and you’re cookin with gas.

We really need more things to buy with heart seeds and cons of valor I have a gazillion of those in the bank

 

[Chacka]

Seeds are not really an adequate cost, even at silly quantities, ignoring the rest of your argument. If you have a char you keep at cap to farm rxp etc. then they're junk loot and you'll be awash in them before long.

First of all, I’m asking if there is any way to obtain a +1 Lesser Reincarnation (LR) Heart in-game without using DDO Points. The suggestion to buy one with Seeds (or Commendations of Valor) is only one possible method. It is a clear fallacy to assume that, just because many players are likely sitting on large amounts of Seeds and Commendations due to their currently low value, this somehow negates the fact that you still need to complete at least one quest just to earn two Seeds!

SSG should consider offering more valuable rewards for Commendations of Valor so that players don’t feel like they are nearly worthless.

Also worth noting is my second suggestion: allowing players to trade 10 Flawless Siberys Dragonshards for one +1 LR Heart. This is not a cheap exchange, and it makes a lot of sense—after all, you’re effectively converting 10 feat changes into one full +1 Lesser Reincarnation, which is a reasonable and balanced trade-off IMHO.

 

[Roper]

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