Teh_Troll
Master of Baiting
Wrong.
We had to same thing 18ish months ago and still hundred if not thousands moved. Spend them before you leave.
Astral Shards not to transfer to 64bit worlds!
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We had to same thing 18ish months ago and still hundred if not thousands moved. Spend them before you leave.
Kimbere
Well-known member
I dunno. There were just as many players, if not more, that chose to stay on their original servers rather than move during the free transfers. Many of those who stayed chose to do so specifically because they didn't want to lose things that wouldn't transfer. Astral Shards was one of those things.
It costs multiple guildies some real $$ to move and rebuild the guild airship with amenities, etc. It also took the guild as a whole over a year to rebuild the renown and level it back to 200.
My guild knowingly accepted the pain and did that to get access to a better grouping pool and fresh blood for recruits as Ghallanda had been stagnant for years.
This though? This is different. It is in SSG's best interest to incentivize players to move to the new 64-bit architecture so they don't have to continue to pay for hosting and to support (codewise) both 32-bit and 64-bit servers. They should be doing everything they can to make this as painless as possible for their own sake.
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Anurakh
Little Nixie
Those people willing to leave their shards behind did so two years ago. Many other people unwilling to leave their astral shards behind didn't. And if they force this, SSG will surely lose customers.
As Kimbere said, transferring astral shards is the easiest thing of all. If they don't want to do it, it shows bad faith. And that will have a backlash of ill will from many consumers, and people will abandon the game. As if we had a large population.
As Kimbere said, transferring astral shards is the easiest thing of all. If they don't want to do it, it shows bad faith. And that will have a backlash of ill will from many consumers, and people will abandon the game. As if we had a large population.
Sarlona Raiding
Well-known member
This thread took me a bit by surprise. I guess more people bought AS than I realized as those earning it cycle through the earning and consuming cycle fairly quick. Spending down and rebuilding supply is fairly easy for us.
If SSG wants to take this approach, they should at least offer refunds to people buying AS.
SSG might just be throwing that out to test the waters hoping people don't care. They are obviously wrong.
Monkey_Archer
Well-known member
I sure hope not. Its a bit 'fiscally irresponsible' to gamble the fate of the game on a small short term potential profit.
Everyone wants seamless transfers to 64 bit servers, which will allow them to shut down the 32 bit eventually. If its not seamless they'll have to keep both running indefinitely due to people refusing to transfer.
You can disagree all you want. You're wrong, but you're free to be wrong.
Collective punishment also simply doesn't work in a situation like this because it relies on the people being punished for nothing to deal with the perpetrator separately, behind the scenes. Unless there's a DDO fight club or some such I just don't know about.
When I transferred from G-land to Orien because my best friend of 30 years and his guild did, I
1. Did it after the free transfers because I was taking a break from the game at the time of the free transfers
2. Didn't know my shards wouldn't come with me.
I haven't purchased by shards, but unlike Sarlona Raiding or whomever it is, I haven't easily earned them either. I worked my butt off for them, and I've done the same on Orien, and it's been harder and harder since more and more gear is inappropriately bound. Same with my guild. And I still haven't gotten it to the level I had reached on G-land.
I'm not re-building a guild or a supply of nearly 2k shard for a third time. Period.
As of the last year or so, the game is already on unstable ground with regards to my return on investment in it. They can't afford to make any more big blunders, at least not with me.
1. Did it after the free transfers because I was taking a break from the game at the time of the free transfers
2. Didn't know my shards wouldn't come with me.
I haven't purchased by shards, but unlike Sarlona Raiding or whomever it is, I haven't easily earned them either. I worked my butt off for them, and I've done the same on Orien, and it's been harder and harder since more and more gear is inappropriately bound. Same with my guild. And I still haven't gotten it to the level I had reached on G-land.
I'm not re-building a guild or a supply of nearly 2k shard for a third time. Period.
As of the last year or so, the game is already on unstable ground with regards to my return on investment in it. They can't afford to make any more big blunders, at least not with me.
PersonMan
Well-known member
Punishing the innocent just teaches them that the authority is unjust and there is no point in obeying the rules.
Sophie The Cat Burglar
Exotic Items Recovery Specialist
Haha! Was not expecting this!
They must be out of developer budget. They are looking for things to cut and seeing what will float. Throw out the horrible idea. See if players will turn against one another. If they do, let them fight for a while. Let the group of players throwing the other group of players under the bus win. Then do the horrible thing and say players were accepting of it. The players who leave will eventually come back. They are addicted. It is all so very slimy and predictable.
If my Astral Shards (and Guild?) do not transfer, I will quit.
If my Astral Shards (and Guild?) will not transfer in the future, I may as well quit now.
Therefore...it appears I am done? It makes no sense to play with this guillotine hanging in the air.
HAHAHAHAHA! Oh dear. DDO. Time after time, lures me in then takes the b i t e. CHOMP!
One of my greatest regrets playing DDO is that I did not stand more firmly, more often, with players with real problems. I am not making that mistake today.
Dear Powers That Be,
Unless and until you confirm, with an unequivocal statement of intent, that my Astral Shards and Guild will transfer during any future server migration, I refuse to play your game.
Extremely concerned,
Sophie the Cat Burglar
I will check back from time to time to see if this despicable act of betrayal is reversed.
They must be out of developer budget. They are looking for things to cut and seeing what will float. Throw out the horrible idea. See if players will turn against one another. If they do, let them fight for a while. Let the group of players throwing the other group of players under the bus win. Then do the horrible thing and say players were accepting of it. The players who leave will eventually come back. They are addicted. It is all so very slimy and predictable.
If my Astral Shards (and Guild?) do not transfer, I will quit.
If my Astral Shards (and Guild?) will not transfer in the future, I may as well quit now.
Therefore...it appears I am done? It makes no sense to play with this guillotine hanging in the air.
HAHAHAHAHA! Oh dear. DDO. Time after time, lures me in then takes the b i t e. CHOMP!
One of my greatest regrets playing DDO is that I did not stand more firmly, more often, with players with real problems. I am not making that mistake today.
Dear Powers That Be,
Unless and until you confirm, with an unequivocal statement of intent, that my Astral Shards and Guild will transfer during any future server migration, I refuse to play your game.
Extremely concerned,
Sophie the Cat Burglar
I will check back from time to time to see if this despicable act of betrayal is reversed.
Shear-buckler
Well-known member
Pure greed.
GrindFlayer
Well-known member
Regarding the Premium Currency: Yes, there are Mithril Coins. Their functionality is a bit different than Astral Shards', for example there's no "MC Auction" in LotRO, but they are the closest equivalent of AS in there. They are also account + server wide, and yes they do transfer if you choose to check the "transfer shared storage" box during transfer process.
LotRO actually has a very nice Wallet system, where (almost) all currencies, barter items etc. go so that you don't have to waste inventory / bank space on them. The wallet takes both character bound (white) and account bound (green) items. The "upgraded" wallet that accepts all kind of stuff like you see below, used to be a Store purchase -- and one of the first and best things people could spend their LotroPoints overall, but they made it free some years back.
Kimbere
Well-known member
It should tell you a lot more than that tbh.
If what Cordovan said on the live stream turns out to be true, it should tell you exactly how little SSG respects their players who give them money above and beyond the bare minimum needed to play the game.
Kyrr
Well-known member
If that's how you feel, then feel free to walk out the door. I did it and don't regret it. However, trying to track server wide goodies is difficult and they confirm this, especially with a certain individual having issues with a Monster Manual. How is that going to work moving over to the new server? The same goes for guilds, unfortunately some guilds have overlapping names which make it difficult, it's going to be FCFS. Now, if I remember correctly they will keep 32 bit up, i'm just not sure how long.
Bjond
Well-known member
If they don't transfer EVERYTHING (literally everything), they will kill the game. Some move, some don't, and no server ends up with a healthy population.
Personally, I've been expecting this kind of thing and have been scouting other MMOs for potentials for the DDO chapter of our guild (which, fortunately, is already a multiple game guild). I suspect MMO choice is far too idiosyncratic for a unified jump, though.
Perhaps it's time to simply pull the plug in advance and move regardless. SSG keeps making making egregiously stupid decisions.
Personally, I've been expecting this kind of thing and have been scouting other MMOs for potentials for the DDO chapter of our guild (which, fortunately, is already a multiple game guild). I suspect MMO choice is far too idiosyncratic for a unified jump, though.
Perhaps it's time to simply pull the plug in advance and move regardless. SSG keeps making making egregiously stupid decisions.
erethizon1
Well-known member
Yes, exactly. I sold something yesterday that put me at exactly 6000 shards. I am not giving this up just to change servers. I am willing to lose my name and my guild's progress. That is it. Anything else that is lost will result in my just staying on my current server. There are only a few quests each life that I need another person for (from Beyond the Grave, etc.) and worst case I'll just have to skip those instead of finding someone to partner with.Then it's pretty simple as far as I'm concerned. I'm not going to transfer and will leave the game for good when the current server pop dwindles as a result of those who do transfer leaving.
I've got c.9.5k AS from purchases and from trading over the years (had over 12k before MD rerolling, which illustrates the AS value for me). So I'm not surrendering that. Period.
They could simply refund the value of the AS to DDO Points and allow us to repurchase them post-transfer. Pretty sure this could be automated.
It's very simple SSG. Make the 64 bit endeavour work for your CUSTOMERS. Or don't do it. Or lose them. Those are your options. Choose.
back when i was young, i always wondered about server transfers. one time i thought, why even have individual transfers? and today i again thought the same. why not just prepare the 64bit server, then take the 32bit one down for a day or two, and copy the whole database over to the new one (instead of individual voluntary customer transfer), then put that blade into the server and voila, the same server, but now new and improved! everything is there, nothings missing, its just a big pile of save-files anyways.
..oh right, astral shards... welp, guess ill stay for a bit longer on wayfinder then.
..oh right, astral shards... welp, guess ill stay for a bit longer on wayfinder then.
There are players that dont care if shards transfer or not, our whole guild never uses astral shards, so they are a meaningless currency to our two dozen members. We will transfer is it makes sense to do so when the server is released, with little to no contention. Our one big restriction will be if the server is VIP only, that will be a hard no for us. Most of us have been hurt/impacted by some previous game decision in one form or another and have limited our spending or have become free to play due to the behaviour of the corporate office, game designers and moderators.
Hopefully the new 64 bit servers allow full access and are an improvement to the current laggy game and immobile mob AI.
Thats my 2 cents, no further comments are required.
Hopefully the new 64 bit servers allow full access and are an improvement to the current laggy game and immobile mob AI.
Thats my 2 cents, no further comments are required.
FaceDancer
Olde Wurm
I would like to see shards transfer over, but it will not be the end of my DDO world if they do not. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be making the effort though, and it will obviously affect quite a few people negatively if they do not, so I hope they get this to work.