Svirfneblin
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Come on now, everyone knows SSG stands for Steak Shrimp Gin martini lunches at the SSG, every day.
Black Friday Sales Have Arrived!
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bootyfinder
Member
You could just give 25% or something on dread...
bootyfinder
Member
Also you'd get a lot more business if you let it ride through the following weekend so folks have a paycheck to recover from purchases for family...
pinstripedbarbarian
Active member
I'm not expecting them to meet the quality of XIV. If I did, I wouldn't have ever played DDO. I don't think any free-to-play game ever could, and I actually give DDO a huge amount of praise (for what it used to be) as a free-to-play set up.
EDIT: To address your previous comment about FFXIV not offering anything but some cosmetics / pets that take 3 years to get... what? The only thing I can think of that takes 3 years to get is the old loyalty program they scrapped years ago. FFXIV has seasonal events as often if not moreso than DDO, and every single one has something free for players included, whether its outfits or minions or mounts or emotes.
However, I do find it naive to say SSG can't manage to reduce the lag that has made the game actually, literally unplayable for many people, or fix bugs that have been well known for over a decade, or take player feedback about things like rare loot tables or crossbows or tumbling, unless they have millions and millions of dollars. On the whole, I don't see a lot of DDO's devs doing things "out of love for the game and its players" when there are so many issues the playerbase bring up that get outright ignored.
I'm not saying it's active malice, but I am saying it's willful ignorance / purposeful neglect. In their eyes, fixing problems (lag, bugs/glitches, player concerns, whatever) doesn't generate as much money as new expansions or pay-only-content, so they go with new stuff every time. Sure, they're a company, they need to make money, yeah, but that doesn't mean turning a blind eye to any issue that doesn't immediately turn a profit. These are not minor gripes of a small subset of players; these are major issues everyone experiences.
And in turn, I don't think DDO offers its players more than many other games. Plenty of games without the crippling problems of DDO *do* give out plenty of free stuff to show appreciation to players, all while keeping on top of lag, bugs, etc. I love the idea of the Year of the Dragon giveaways, but until the game addresses a whole lot of really basic problems, it's akin to yelling "let them eat cake" while distributing day-old muffins to the malnourished masses. If they made next year "Year of the Dungeon" and each month came with a problem the game has had for 15 years actually getting fixed, I would be way more excited.
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Opal Inkwell
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First, the original comment was that DDO offers nothing to its "long term players", and a suggestion for a "Thank you" event. Hence the reference to the old loyalty program that FFXIV had. I played FFXIV for seven years, I'm well aware of what they did and didn't do. Seasonal events are not rewards for long term players, as they are available to anyone.
Second, I never said: "SSG can't manage to reduce the lag or fix bugs or take player feedback". I said it seems like they are probably doing their best with limited resources, and more than likely with bosses who are demanding they make more and more money every year. Don't try to put words in my mouth. I have complained about the lag and other issues myself.
I would love it if they would fix what's broken before adding new content. I'm sure the dev team would also like to fix what's broken. But as we aren't allowed to see what's behind the scenes, none of us actually know why things aren't getting fixed. All we can do is speculate, and I choose to not speculate that the dev teams are ignoring it on purpose. If nothing else, they would want to silence all of the complaints.
Third, I would like to reiterate that MY WHOLE POINT was that DDO actually does offer quite a bit to "long term players". Many games offer nothing for "long term players" like DDO's VIP rewards program or Year of the Dragon.
I'm done with this conversation, as I'm getting very tired of defending the idea that the dev team (NOT SSG as a company, NOT the people in charge of the dev team, but the dev team itself) are not monsters who are purposefully ignoring or maliciously enjoying all the problems with the game while raking in as much money as they can. Hate the shareholders, hate the company itself, if you want. But if you think so little of the people who actually make the game function, quit.
pinstripedbarbarian
Active member
YotD is also available to anyone. If you're going to tell me seasonal stuff doesn't count because it's available to everyone, don't bring up YotD. I'd also argue some seasonal events in XIV are very specifically for longer term players, like The Rising literally directly thanking players for supporting the game, or how many events have ongoing storylines from year to year, but that's my opinion.
I was inferring that, by your logic, if the devs had "millions and millions" instead of "limited resources", then "their best" would be better. Even if you don't accept the exaggerated argument, I still disagree. I think there are lots of ways they could be doing better with their resources, limited or not. As I said, "I don't see a lot of DDO's devs doing things 'out of love for the game and its players' when there are so many issues the playerbase bring up that get outright ignored"
Players not knowing why things haven't been fixed for 15 years is a problem in and of itself, not an excuse for other problems. Communication and transparency are good. We know what we know. Speculation on behind the scenes, observation on what we experience. You don't have to speculate, but don't expect people to ignore what they experience every time they play.
The VIP rewards program is lackluster at best (granted, my opinion) and many people have voiced how disappointed they are with the program. Plus, that's only for long term VIP subscribers since the conception of the program. Nothing for decade-long-subscribers, so even if you value it I personally don't think it counts for 'long term player' rewards. Not to mention nothing for premium players, and definitely nothing for or free-to-play-ers. It's entirely to keep new subscribers, not to reward old ones. There's value in that, but don't paint it like a generous gift of thanks.
Now it's your turn to stop putting words in my mouth. I never said anyone was a monster or enjoyed all the problems with the game. My whole point is there are plenty of things that could be done to improve the game - as is, with the current dev team, with the current resources - that instead get ignored. This comes from the flippant responses on livestreams to concerns people bring up, from the frequent lack of direct communication on the forums, and the deafening silence on longstanding issues.
First, I don't think little of 'people who actually make the game function' but the problem is there's less and less function in the game. Second, get off your high horse, you don't get to decide who people are allowed to have issues with (again, words in mouth, never said I hate anyone) nor do you get to say who should and shouldn't quit the game.
If you want to complain about lag or whatever else and then give them a pass when nothing happens, you do you. No one to my knowledge said the dev team is malicious monsters like you claim to defend against. There are comments that say things like indifferent, lazy, or greedy, but not the image of spiteful malice you seem to think it is.
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Opal Inkwell
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You know, I don't think I've had a single post on this board or on the discord where I've expressed my opinion or made a comment of any kind, that hasn't been mocked, belittled, argued with, rejected outright, or just ignored. The times I've said "what you're saying is cruel, maybe you'll get better results by being nicer" have been met with the worst reactions. Y'all really are a mean-spirited bunch. I feel sorry for the dev team and the constant abuse they receive, and anyone else who tries to interact with you in general. Don't worry, you won't be hearing from me again, I won't make the mistake of trying to interact with this community anymore.
pinstripedbarbarian
Active member
Good to know that "what you're saying is cruel, maybe you'll get better results by being nicer" equates to telling me to quit playing the game.
Just in our little back-and-forth, you did plenty of belitting arguing and ignoring. Leave if you want, but don't pretend you're an innocent victim that only ever wanted people to get along.
dozensnakes
Well-known member
I mean I would agree the forum is a bit excessively hostile towards players, but I feel the developers do a very poor job communicating or listening to feedback, and the way the game is developed and run, for at this point over a decade, feels like it's trying to milk dollars from players over making a cohesive experience.
Like I don't mean to be harsh, but when you look at how continuous and long the game has been affected by power creep, with none of the old items getting updated except to nerf them, and how hostile and opaque some of the systems in the game are I can kind of see why people are reacting negatively to "maybe you'll get better results by being nicer".
The commendations of heroism are BtC but can be swapped in game for greater epic tokens that are BtA. Pick those and be happy that saves you farming 20 raids somewhere down the line.
Sturmbb
Well-known member
I know how you feel, there are some people on this forum that are really toxic and i pretty much disagree with everything they say. But rather than engaging with these types of people i just ignore them (i don't put the om the ignore list, as i still read there comments as i like to see how toxic people can get).
Just ignore people like this and concentrate on the ones mature enough to have a sensible debate.
Hope everyone is having a wonderful monday
rabidfox
The People's Champion
Hmmm, what are you missing? If you bought one of the newer expansions from saltmarsh onwards then all the expansion extras are picked up from the vendor in the Hall of Heroes.I just purchased an expansion and the only thing I got was Tome of Destiny +1... Seriously....
The thought of writing another refund request makes my soooo happy
. Thanks, rabidfox How about the people who are having Payment Assistance issues in the Discord general chat, Discord player-bug-report chat, and SSG Help que? Is SSG going to get around to fixing those issues before the BF sales goes away, or will SSG extend this sale; or will SSG simply ignore these issues and those affected are just SOL? I reported my issue ~69 hours ago in all 3 aformentioned places and still no response.
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Miahoo
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Cordovan
Community Manager
The Black Friday sale in the DDO STORE ONLY has been extended until 6:00 PM Eastern today (Wednesday, December 4th) to allow for some people who had a specific geographic purchase issue to make their purchases before the end of the sale now that we've been able to correct the issue. The DDO Market sale has ended.
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dozensnakes
Well-known member
The annoying thing is it's not that hard to make money while having a good relationship with the community(I have some ideas that could be implemented in an afternoon), and having that good relationship also makes people more willing to throw down some money and keep playing.
Well there is game on Steam i've been playing for over 10 years now created by a small group of developers. 2 of the games became popular, yet they never sold/cashed out to a company. Their games just keep getting better and better over time, with regular updates weekly along with income from skin sales. They now have DLC content as well, all reasonably priced. They've finally perfected the game engine they use and it took quite awhile. I've never seen such a dedicated staff such as them, it's really cool to see. My point is, the actual game developer still OWNS the game, it's not all about the profits.