Bug - Killing hires with friendly fire

J1NG

J1NG

I can do things others can't...
Interesting, this was fixed a while back was it not? I wonder what broke this time to cause it to come up again.

For the record, it doesn't affect all hirelings. For example, the Onyx Panther has no problem with Death Salve and then negative energy being used on them to heal them properly.

J1NG
 
rabidfox

rabidfox

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J1NG said:
For the record, it doesn't affect all hirelings. For example, the Onyx Panther has no problem with Death Salve and then negative energy being used on them to heal them properly.
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Looks like my scarecrow heals correctly off negative with death salve too.
 
rabidfox

rabidfox

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J1NG said:
Interesting, this was fixed a while back was it not? I wonder what broke this time to cause it to come up again.
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The only fix to death salve (that I'm aware of) was from https://www.ddo.com/update-notes/ddo-update-66-release-notes
  • Death Salve now correctly turns your allies Undead.
Up until this fix, death salve never worked at all; it had been broken since alch was released and never did anything ( https://forums.ddo.com/index.php?threads/alchemist-apothecary-t2-death-salve-doesnt-work.4640/ was the old bug report on it not working at all). I think this might be my first time using it (on a hire at least) in the 2 years since the fix to it.
 
rabidfox

rabidfox

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But hires/summons being weird when it comes to stuff isn't surprising. I'm pretty sure the Magus of the Eclipse's Lich summons still gets hit with friendly fire from any positive heal spells that get cast.

iirc, I believe hires raised using Pale master's Animate Ally also take friendly fire from negative damage.
 
J1NG

J1NG

I can do things others can't...
It's not quite as simple as what we see on the surface I think.

I had a Plat Bard (Lorena Barley), Level 14 that did not experience issues with Death Salve, and a Plat Bard (Aria Malignos), Level 19 that experience issues with Death Salve.

In theory either both should experience the same issue, whether it is impacted by Death Salve incorrectly, or impacted by Death Salve correctly. But the fact the two experience it differently suggests another issue is at play.

J1NG
 
J1NG

J1NG

I can do things others can't...
And here's an interesting update, I went through the Plat Bards, Level 14 to 20, and 14 and 18 were able to be affected by Death Salve correctly. Whilst every other Bard Levels 15 to 20 was not affected properly.

Strangely, the Level 19 Cleric Hireling Klin had no problems either. But the Level 18 Cleric Hireling, Heystack, is experience problems. So we know it's not specifically a level assigned issue. Something else we likely can't see is the cause of why they are not healing fully from the negative damage inflicted on them.

Will continue observations to see see if I can't find a commonality to see what the issue might be.

J1NG
 
J1NG

J1NG

I can do things others can't...
Hmmm, interesting... It looks like a common thing has cropped up in theory. The ones working correctly for hirelings are Halflings or Dwarves thus far. Checking for other identical races on the hireling list to see if they are also working properly, brb.

J1NG

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And confirmed. Barbarians Dwarf and Human, the Dwarf had no ptoblems being affected by Death Salve as normal and as expected. The Human one however had trouble. Tried with the FvS Halfling and was also fine. So it is almost 100% certain it's a "race" issue here at the moment.

Currently checking which of the other races fail. Currently confirmed Humans are problematic. Checking Drow, Warforged, and any other available race. Unsure what the Onyx Panther is supposed to be but they're fine.

:: further edit ::
(Sun) Elf, Drow (Elf), Warforged, Human are all confirmed impacted by Death Salve not working properly on them.

Halfing and Drwarf are confirmed fine.

:: another further edit ::
Teal is not working with this.
Feywild Satyr Muse works fine, as is the Panther (and likely Lion as well as they're the same).

Suspect that the ones that are naturally "shorter" are all OK. Anyone else that mght be based off of the medium or larger races would be not working. Still need to run through them all to test, not had time tonight. Will check another time if someone else hasn't done it by then.

:: editing again ::
And confirmed that Frogo and Darling are both fine, suspect because they're shorties in code. Just look different.
 
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WielderofGigantus

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rabidfox said:
I'm pretty sure the Magus of the Eclipse's Lich summons still gets hit with friendly fire from any positive heal spells that get cast.
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The Lich still takes friendly fire. When we're on a quest in which we don't want summons around, we frequently throw heals his way to get rid of him.
 
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