Cant they make the current servers 64 bit?

Dragavon

Well-known member
Maybe there's no profit in that?

If they force everyone to move and have to buy new airships, new airship amenities, maybe new tomes new bank space etc they make a lot more money?

I'm really guessing, not sure
This is rubbish and you know it. Since they started talking about 64 bit servers they have said they will make a new transfer system that can transfer everything on the old server to the new. You know this, why post lies?
 

FaceDancer

Olde Wurm
There was some concern that shards wouldn't transfer. Don't know where that stands, but it could still be an issue. I would like to think we'll get more info in the semi-near future (maybe on this next Fridays @ Four???). On the limited info we have, any statement from the player base would be kinda subjective. We'll just have to wait and see what will (hopefully everything...), and what will not transfer once more info is released.
 

paddymaxson

Deliberately obtuse
The Jaguar only had a 32-bit processor despite it being called a 64-bit system (simply because they used a 64-bit bus).
I was under the impression they actually literally did just have two 32 bit processors and added them for the Jaguar and then made the claim, per Op's suggestion

I can only assume that the 64 bit servers required some vast change to the schema that's just not worth doing for every single character in the dataset, possibly for time reasons.

New objects are gucci because theyre created with the new schema. Old objects moved and run through a change are also fine because that's a limited change (but given how long it's taking to get there, this transform is not yet ready), where transforming the whole dataset might necessitate the servers being down for a long time while the translation is done, plus if anything is wrong with it you inflict it on the whole playerbase.
 

Vua

Mostly A Douche
Wow I never knew that Jaguar also made buses as well as cars. I will now google them :)
Once they got bought by Ford and then resold, who knows. Maybe they sell buses under the Land Rover brand instead. They can't make an SUV worth a damn anymore anyway.
 
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Blunt Hackett

Well-known member
If it were as simple as a hardware upgrade to the existing servers, they would have done that. It's typically better to move on to more current technology than to upgrade obsolete computers.
 

Purr

Well-known member
Wow I never knew that Jaguar also made buses as well as cars. I will now google them :)
How many bit
Once they got bought by Ford and then resold, who knows. Maybe the sell buses under the Land Rover brand instead. They can't make an SUV worth a damn anymore anyway.
How can all these servers afford new jaguars? They don't make enough at the restaurants!
 

Eoin

There is something off about Drossheart and Igan
There was some concern that shards wouldn't transfer. Don't know where that stands, but it could still be an issue. I would like to think we'll get more info in the semi-near future (maybe on this next Fridays @ Four???). On the limited info we have, any statement from the player base would be kinda subjective. We'll just have to wait and see what will (hopefully everything...), and what will not transfer once more info is released

The Lamannia Lamordia preview 1 patch included a new shard transfer enum (admin or player initiated), so they are at least giving it the good old college try.
 

norriskwondo

Well-known member
Maybe there's no profit in that?

If they force everyone to move and have to buy new airships, new airship amenities, maybe new tomes new bank space etc they make a lot more money?

I'm really guessing, not sure
Honestly, if that's what they're thinking, they are living on a different planet. The vast majority of players aren't going to fork over that much money for stuff they already have. More likely they'd just go somewhere else entirely.
 
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kmoustakas

Scourge of Xaos
Honestly, if that's what they're thinking, they are living on a different planet. The vast majority of players aren't going to fork over that much money for stuff they already have. More likely they'd just go somewhere else entirely.
The hardcore servers prove you wrong. Lots of people bought +8 supremes in the hardcore servers and lots more bought ships and amenities. I wouldn't and didn't, but lots did.
 

norriskwondo

Well-known member
There could be ulterior motives to start fresh.
1. I suspect that are a lot of dead wood accounts, names, guilds that could be cleared by going new.
2 Not sure.
3. Profit! No doubt they will generate some income by a freshly invigorated group of peeps.
I envision something like the movie Awakenings...

By starting new, and letting unused accounts, names, guilds just disappear, they would be making profit by not having to have databanks active storing unused game account data. Not a lot maybe, but spending money on electricity and equipment on stuff not being used does cost more money than people think. So that all makes sense to me.
 

Rusty_helmet

Teh_troll’s Fluffer
By starting new, and letting unused accounts, names, guilds just disappear, they would be making profit by not having to have databanks active storing unused game account data. Not a lot maybe, but spending money on electricity and equipment on stuff not being used does cost more money than people think. So that all makes sense to me.
Probably 100s of thousands of toons and thousands of abandoned accounts. It'd be a considerable savings
 

norriskwondo

Well-known member
The hardcore servers prove you wrong. Lots of people bought +8 supremes in the hardcore servers and lots more bought ships and amenities. I wouldn't and didn't, but lots did.
I don't have experience there, but from what I can tell, the players on the hardcore server are, how can I say it, a different breed of being (said in jest). lol
 

rabidfox

The People's Champion
The hardcore servers prove you wrong. Lots of people bought +8 supremes in the hardcore servers and lots more bought ships and amenities. I wouldn't and didn't, but lots did.
I don't personally know many people that bought tomes on there. I did almost all of the seasons and got the rewards without ever once considering buy a tome. I'm sure some folks did, but I couldn't guess what actual numbers were like.
 

eightspoons

Well-known member
It's also possible they have 64 bit servers running 32 bit operating systems. There can be more to it than just upgrading the game server code. This presents some logistical hurdles. Considering the age of this game, they may very well still have servers running 32 bit CPUs. They may have decided the logistics are simpler to just create new worlds on new hardware and have players gradually migrate over.
They'd have to be incredibly old CPUs seeing as the 64 bit CPU uprising began to gain its first real momentum in around 2003, some time before DDO was even a thing. And that's consumer grade 64 bit. Datacentre/server grade was a bit earlier.

But this is just random speculation on my part. I'm very cynically trying to decide if I actually care about the whole thing.
 

Xinidia

Member
They'd have to be incredibly old CPUs seeing as the 64 bit CPU uprising began to gain its first real momentum in around 2003, some time before DDO was even a thing. And that's consumer grade 64 bit. Datacentre/server grade was a bit earlier.

But this is just random speculation on my part. I'm very cynically trying to decide if I actually care about the whole thing.
All we can really do is speculate, anyway. DDO launched in 2006 and the first 64 bit Xeon CPU was out in 2005. There's a chance they had 64 bit CPUs. Linux had 64 bit versions (amd64) in 2003 while Windows Server wasn't there until 2008. (If my info is correct) If I had to bet, I'd wager they these guys used a Windows Server which would mean it was a 32 bit O/S. Not that any of this matters lol. We're getting new (newer? less old?) servers and migrating the data over.
 
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