CHA to hit sources and compatibility

[Frantik]

If I built a PDK 16 pal 3 sorc 1 fig and used a longsword and spent AP into racial for T1 Cormyrean Knight Training as well as into Sorc EK T3 Eldritch Accuracy, would the two complement each other or would there be conflict?

So Cormyrean Knight Training to hit and damage with CHA for 4 types of sword (plus 1/3 CHA mod in tactical DCs) and Eldritch Accuracy for CHA to hit with shields and weapons, would this work for shields and swords?

Thanks!

 

[Necrodancer]

You would get CHA to hit with all weapons and shields and CHA to damage with shortswords, longswords, bastard swords, and greatswords. You would NOT get CHA to damage with shields if that is what you're wondering.

EDIT
Just for ease, You will be able to use CHA to hit and damage on your longswords as it's granted by Cormyrean Knight training as long as your CHA is higher than STR (and I assume you are going for charisma)

You will benefir from CHA to hit with all weapons and shields but NOT the damage as it's stated by Eldritch Knight Tier 3 "Eldritch Accuracy".

 

[Qrvar]

I was going so mention Feydark for CHA to hit and damage, but unfortunately according to the Wiki, it is bugged for shields.

Still, worth testing and pretty easy to test, I suppose - it's only 7 AP and you will no longer have to roll the ugliest race in DDO

 

[droid327]

It will work like Necrodancer said but I don't see what the point of 3 sorc is for the build? Feels like you can tweak your split to achieve whatever it is you want in a more synergistic way, the sorc really isn't bringing anything that ckt or pal doesn't have

 

[Necrodancer]

It will work like Necrodancer said but I don't see what the point of 3 sorc is for the build? Feels like you can tweak your split to achieve whatever it is you want in a more synergistic way, the sorc really isn't bringing anything that ckt or pal doesn't have

/Agreed

Best thing that 3 sorc levels give you, is access to imbue toggles but they would be exceptionally weak. There's also some nice stuff at tier 2 but nothing that would justify just 3 levels.

Whatever, let's focus on giving factual information for our viewers, back to studio droid327.

 

[droid327]

Best thing that 3 sorc levels give you, is access to imbue toggles but they would be exceptionally weak

Just to be thorough: KotC already gets a superior imbue...no resists, and scales on MP not SP

 

[unbongwah]

The only way to get CHA to hit with shields is sorcerer's Eldritch Accuracy. The only way to get CHA to damage with shields is Swashbuckler's Different Tack (Smooth Flourishes), which only works with bucklers while Swashbuckling.

Pre-Feydark Illusionist, sorcerer 16 bard 3 cleric 1 worked for CHA-based SWF+S&B Eldritch Knight. While it technically still works, the obvious question is "what is the point?" apart from novelty.

 

[drjoans]

Would FVS grace of battle + Divine Cruisader's t5 bring down wrath give to-hit and dmg to shields?

 

[Greywolf]

They need to fix shields for all alt-stat damage modifiers. The only alternate stat that gets hit/dmg with shields is Falconry for WIS (aside from the Bard/EK option that Unbongwah mentioned). And this is probably the least likely main stat for a shield basher. CHA probably the most likely for say Paladin Vanguard.

 

[Bjond]

I used to try making bashing builds with non-standard main stats. It's just too painful. If you want a basher, you're fairly well locked into STR. Fortunately, the best bashing build in game works great with that: 3 Swash 5 DL Handaxe for a 15x5 (15x6 patience) profile. Pick SDK race for Chains and oh, do we have fun now!

Full bash style wants T5 DC, but that build also works great with T5 FOTW (adrenaline!) or T5 LD (especially nice for endless haste, helpless trip, and 75 sunder). If you want tanky, use Salt on weapon or Buckler -- one chain swing salts an entire pack.