Dandonk
Beater of Dead Horses
I know. My issue is the period up to that. We don't know how long it'll be, and how bad it'll get until then.
And it's not even completely certain we'll actually get those 64bit for all at the end.
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And it's not even completely certain we'll actually get those 64bit for all at the end.
Ryiah
Well-known member
32- and 64-bit doesn't really matter between client and server. You're transferring serialized data across a network not the data as is stored directly in memory. They're also not transferring that much data across the network. Wireshark shows a constant stream of mostly less than 100 bytes per tick with the very occasional up to 250 bytes. It's a very low data usage game. If I had to guess it's mostly transferring input data (keyboard, mouse, etc).
You mean you're not going to start over again, right? Because a "third guild ship" suggests to me you were crazy enough to do it once. Not that I'm one to talk as I deleted all of my characters back around the time reincarnations were announced and started from scratch with the goal of a completionist that somehow in my insanity became three.
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Seppi Pearlsmith
Well-known member
How about for a fixed Monster manual?
Dandonk
Beater of Dead Horses
Hah, tempting.How about for a fixed Monster manual?
But not even for that. Heresy, I know, but still.
Not to mention the possibility of a twice broken Monster Manual. You'd have to beat two horses, then.
Dandonk
Beater of Dead Horses
Hehehehe.
At some point, if this keeps up, they'll have to give me that thri-kreen race so I can beat FOUR horses!
rabidfox
The People's Champion
You'll unlock them via a monster manual deed...
paddymaxson
Deliberately obtuse
I foolishly bought the guild ship with AS for a guild then took a long break from the game and was booted from the guild (and the leader basically disappeared so I couldn't get reinvited) I bought the ship for. Second time I ground the AS by being canny with selling old junk on the shard exchange but I sure as hell wouldn't do that on a new server because I don't have a backlog of things like augments, unbound versions of items that now drop as bound and collectibles on another server. But I have already expressed that there's no chance in hell I'd start over.
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Dandonk
Beater of Dead Horses
During the free transfers, my guild transferred to Orien. So we had to use all our AS on the old server, lost our pets and mounts, had to relevel guild and rebuy guildship, and got a buggy MM. Yay.
That was annoying enough. But at least we had our old characters. Without those.... no.
Cmecu
Well-known member
One issue though, the game would be on old server. I dont mind starting a new , on a new server, updated code, updated graphics. But I wouldnt delete everything I earned just to be on a same server.
Kimbere
Well-known member
The effective range of an excuse is zero meters.
Roll up a new account and start a toon on Wayfinder today. It doesn't have enough population to lag too badly.
Nothing's stopping you.
Cmecu
Well-known member
Not an excuse man.. just staing facts.. I never said anything about population or lag.
I said, new server, new code, new graphics or updated ( as in 64 bit over 32 bit ).
Does wayfinder have all of this? No..
So the argument is done. Stop trying to make my argument be about something different.
Kimbere
Well-known member
I get what you're saying from just a plain "I wish" perspective, but practically, it'll never happen. You've heard the saying about "Wish in one hand, **** in the other and see which fills up first"?
So in practice, what's the closest you could get to your wish?
You said you wanted to start over with the following criteria:
- Everything wiped
- Cap reduced back down to OG game
- New coded server - not sphagetti code. Code that has been optimized.
That reduces your wishlist to: "everything wiped", and "cap reduced".
The closest you'll get to "everything wiped" outside of a Hardcore season is starting a new account and rolling a toon on a new server. You wouldn't have access to any of the "newer" quests, gear, etc. Not perfect, but that's as close as you could realistically get.
If you're VIP, the new server will be closer, but it will have all new stuff which moves the needle further away from the orginal version part of your wish. Maybe that's better for your scenario, maybe it's worse?
Regarding the "cap reduced" part, I'd guess it's HIGHLY unlikely SSG could unwind 15+ years of code additions to get the game back down to original base, even if they wanted to. There's a reason the devs released this item with it's snarky name - https://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Rose_Colored_Goggles and associated effects.
The closest you could get to original code is, again, start a new account and roll a toon on a new server and play with some self-imposed leveling limitations.
So it might not be perfect, but my proposed solution is about as close as you'll get to it within your defined parameters, and you could indeed do that today.
Positive thinking
Well-known member
Yes he is right, you should start from scratch with nothing, but do it with others that are doing the same. Come play in EXTREME Mortal Voyage Permadeath on Argo.
Uska
Founder
i play on Wayfinder now then to count the tumbleweeds
For me the prospect of starting this game over is not appealing at all. I have already put the time in. I have some great memories going back to the release of this game. A home server (Adar) that no longer exists with guildies that no longer play, and raids that no longer need to be figured out, items in my long since inactive toon's bank accounts that no longer drop in game, etc... I am not looking to recreate all of that. It is called nostalgia for a reason. That was also a time for me when I had more free time in my life than I knew what to do with. Now, a wife and 3 kids later, not so much.
That being said, if you tell me SSG has been developing DDO II on new servers, with updated graphics, with updated rule sets, etc... Now you have me all over again. But again, I have 0 interest in playing this game from scratch on newer servers. It is still the same game with the same content I have already experienced.
If this is SSGs way of throwing their hands up and proclaiming the fight vs lag a defeat, then so be it. Figure out how to transfer my characters and bank account, and I will see you over on the new servers. If no, then I will not.
That being said, if you tell me SSG has been developing DDO II on new servers, with updated graphics, with updated rule sets, etc... Now you have me all over again. But again, I have 0 interest in playing this game from scratch on newer servers. It is still the same game with the same content I have already experienced.
If this is SSGs way of throwing their hands up and proclaiming the fight vs lag a defeat, then so be it. Figure out how to transfer my characters and bank account, and I will see you over on the new servers. If no, then I will not.
Ungermax
Master Artificer
Personally I do not see this as starting over at all, because all my stuff is still on Thelanis. I am going to think of it as there is a permanent replacement for HC which I can join in on whenever I want, providing I have an active sub.
One thing to note though. As we all know the devs state that things like many past lives and reaper points cause lag. Those of us who do end up jumping on Cormyr should keep our pinches of salt to hand because yes 64 bit might run smoother and all that BUT the lack of past lives and reaper points in theory will also be a factor. The REAL test of 64 bit will come when they introduce a 64 bit server that is not VIP only and does allow character transfers.
I think some people may be losing sight of the fact that Cormyr will likely not be the only 64 bitter and there will be new servers that will allow transfer after. If you are already VIP when it comes, or are going to sub then, just treat it as a side project exactly like you did when Hardcore was about. We can still work on our completionism but have to do so on 32 bit for now. Cormyr is not the endgame, it is a stepping stone.
I let my VIP lapse at the end of last HC and have not bought anything since. Even though DDO has been the go to game since level cap was 14, I havent played much this year. But talk of 64 bit servers is piquing the interest once again. It has the potential to solve a million problems, namely consolidating the playerbase into fewer servers, even if it is further down the line. I like what SSG are saying at the moment. It seems they want to move in the right direction.
When it comes I will resub and try it out.
One thing to note though. As we all know the devs state that things like many past lives and reaper points cause lag. Those of us who do end up jumping on Cormyr should keep our pinches of salt to hand because yes 64 bit might run smoother and all that BUT the lack of past lives and reaper points in theory will also be a factor. The REAL test of 64 bit will come when they introduce a 64 bit server that is not VIP only and does allow character transfers.
I think some people may be losing sight of the fact that Cormyr will likely not be the only 64 bitter and there will be new servers that will allow transfer after. If you are already VIP when it comes, or are going to sub then, just treat it as a side project exactly like you did when Hardcore was about. We can still work on our completionism but have to do so on 32 bit for now. Cormyr is not the endgame, it is a stepping stone.
I let my VIP lapse at the end of last HC and have not bought anything since. Even though DDO has been the go to game since level cap was 14, I havent played much this year. But talk of 64 bit servers is piquing the interest once again. It has the potential to solve a million problems, namely consolidating the playerbase into fewer servers, even if it is further down the line. I like what SSG are saying at the moment. It seems they want to move in the right direction.
When it comes I will resub and try it out.
Ryiah
Well-known member
It's not that they are losing sight of it but that they never read it in the first place. I've responded to so many posts and threads that were literally one or two away from the answer.
A LOTRO-style legendary server where everyone starts with the base game and content is slowly rolled out would be awesome.