Cormyr after Lantern event ends, is 64 bt server/tech enough to keep a healthy population?

Lagin3

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We've seen 2 waves of new players on server, 1 When server opened, 2 when server opened to F2P.

After 45 days 1/2 of my guilds' population had left already. Then came F2P people. Most of which are still playing.

Until very recently the server was lag-free. But the last 2 weeks this is not the case.

If the new tech has perisitant "issues" what does this say to Cormyr remaining ViP only? What are the incentives for player retention?

My simple answer is server performance is NOT enough to maintain the current population, only one thing can keep the server healthy and vibrant after event ends...

Keep it open to all.

If SSG does not address a mass exodus issue, what happens to people and guilds wanting to make it thier home server? Another ghost town?

It won't just be F2P people leaving, the mass exodus I mention is going to be a loss of a large part of population game-wide.

SIMPLE FIX SSG... Keep it open to all.
 

xaktakorf

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Having it VIP only was a bad idea from the start. But as we all know SSG have a hard time keeping VIP players happy, they are not going to keep it open to non VIP players. That would just be one more VIP perk gone, which would lead to yet another round of VIP moaning.
 
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Knowbody important

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So I feel the need to weigh in here: The reason 45% has left is that most of the people who came to this server never intended to stay. I am currently in a guild of 6, and though we still have 100% participation (because we made sure everyone who joined was planning to maintain a presence here) actual participation has dwindled to 2 hours at most a week for everyone but myself. My recommendation to my current guild leader (whose participation has also dropped significantly) was not to do any large scale recruiting until the Lantern event was over. Anyone who did mass recruiting while the lantern event was running was doomed to lose a significant portion of its membership. Honestly, we still won't know what the full-time server population will look like until a month or two after the lantern event ends. Don't be surprised if you lose another 45% by May.

Unlike Lotro where SSG has done this before, DDO is not a 1 life and done game. Many people have put years, and years into their characters. Asking them to migrate to a new server and start over permanently was always a big ask.... unrealistically big. The only people who would be here full time are people who had few past lives/no strong ties on their home servers.... or are the extremely rare people like me who finished their main character...and decided rather than start a new one take this opportunity to start fresh in a new location.

Chances are that if they failed to form strong ties on their home server, they are unlikely to magically do it here as well. So, we will inherit the people most likely to be extremely flighty.
 
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Archest

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what is the reason for VIP only? population lag according to you. so its not a bad thing everyone leaving than right? better to exit than to be denied. it was testing to see if the 64 bit server could handle the work load. why they are choosing to not allow players to remain and leave it open is the question you should be asking, why are the closing it to non VIP now that the beta testing is done.
Transfers could help increase the population once the FTP leave but it will never be as populas as the open servers are. because VIP only is a private server. intentionally leaving others out in the cold if they dont conform. conform or be cast out. humbug. Id rather play 32 bit. then to play with arrogance.
 
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Knowbody important

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what is the reason for VIP only? population lag according to you. so its not a bad thing everyone leaving than right? better to exit than to be denied. it was testing to see if the 64 bit server could handle the work load. why they are choosing to not allow players to remain and leave it open is the question you should be asking, why are the closing it to non VIP now that the beta testing is done.
Transfers could help increase the population once the FTP leave but it will never be as populas as the open servers are. because VIP only is a private server. intentionally leaving others out in the cold if they dont conform. conform or be cast out. humbug. Id rather play 32 bit. then to play with arrogance.
Originally, I think it was to limit how many folks were on the server at once. Then they said that they were opening it to non vip because they were unable to get 1500 people onto the server at a time.

In my mind, the most sensible thing to do would be to transfer the lowest population servers to Cormyr first. At the very least, merge Wayfinder with it. That is the only way the population will be sustainable long term. Once the event ends I suspect we are going to see a 90%+ reduction in population overall as people return to their home servers. I am sure we still have dedicated hardcore players competing amongst themselves to see how many reaper points can be obtained before the event is over.
 
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atavus

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Originally, I think it was to limit how many folks were on the server at once. Then they said that they were opening it to non vip because they were unable to get 1500 people onto the server at a time.

In my mind, the most sensible thing to do would be to transfer the lowest population servers to Cormyr first. At the very least, merge Wayfinder with it. That is the only way the population will be sustainable long term. Once the event ends I suspect we are going to see a 90%+ reduction in population overall as people return to their home servers. I am sure we still have dedicated hardcore players competing amongst themselves to see how many reaper points can be obtained before the event is over.
There end goal is to end all 32 bit servers. And that was said on friday livestream. I am assuming once they get the back in work done like the guild ship moving over and toons all there stuff that they will start to open the flood gates and add in more servers and start to end the 32 bits ones
 
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Arch-Necromancer

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I noticed it is getting harder and harder to find groups as time passes. People who farmed what they wanted from lanterns and DDO bonus points from favor probably returned to their "origin" servers.

This will probably end up becoming a "new Wayfinder" because of the VIP access restriction. I guess many VIPs do not want to be locked out of being able to play if they for some reason do not want to sub for a time.

But then IMO better for this VIP to be a "new Wayfinder" than one of the new open-for-all 64 bit servers.
 
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Sarlona Raiding

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In my opinion the server has a low-population future with it's current restraints, mainly:
- No transfers in
- VIP-only

This will also prevent it from being the default server as most new players won't immediately sign up for VIP before playing.

Most people don't want to abandon all their existing alts and most people have at least some non-vips they group with regularly.
 
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Coffey

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It would be disastrous to cormyr to keep it VIP. I can see it being the new player server but allowing free transfers out to other 64 bit servers at least. If all transfers go well when the rest of the 64 bit servers are ready then there is no reason to withhold transfers in to cormyr like all other servers have.

I would also suggest some investment in new player teaching quests, build pathing, and an upgraded auto direction system for getting to NPCs and quests. This would help a lot with new player on-boarding at the very least.

The 64 bit server test has yet to fully benchmark player population goals though. 700 is the highest i have seen so far on cormyr. It is an improvement even so. I wonder if each server in america will have separate hardware or are they going to share like they have been on the 32 bit servers?

The 1500 player goal sounds like the number they are shooting for but has me questioning it in reality as no further steps have been made to achieving those numbers. Give an ottos box out to players accounts for every server that participate in a server benchmark for limited time for eg.
 
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Vox

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Until very recently the server was lag-free. But the last 2 weeks this is not the case.

This is the big bloated elephant in the room.

Cormyr also lagged just as bad, if not worse, than all the other servers for a long time when it started.
 
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Lagin3

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This is the big bloated elephant in the room.

Cormyr also lagged just as bad, if not worse, than all the other servers for a long time when it started.
Is THAT all you got? Long time? :ROFLMAO: you mean the 3 weeks a company had to bring never before used tech online with a brand new event?
Cormyr doesn't have the lag issues 32bt servers do.
 
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Lagin3

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That is supposed to happen I’ll leave mine there but have gone back to my main if I’m going to play on a server with no groups it might as well be with my best toon
I disagree with that. I see the lfm panel full of groups all day/ everyday. Or maybe you're in the wrong* (not meant in a negative meaning)guild
 
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Sarlona Raiding

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Is THAT all you got? Long time? :ROFLMAO: you mean the 3 weeks a company had to bring never before used tech online with a brand new event?
Cormyr doesn't have the lag issues 32bt servers do.

Just gonna say in general I agree, but 2 weekends in the last 2 months it was much worse than anything we've had on live servers for quite some time. It was just painful to bank and it took SSG a long time to restart the servers both times.
 
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Sarlona Raiding

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I disagree with that. I see the lfm panel full of groups all day/ everyday. Or maybe you're in the wrong* guild

As far as I know players see the same lfm panel regardless of what guild they are in.

I mostly group with people I know on Cormyr, but when I do check the lfm panel on Cormyr it seems worse than Sarlona. That is my only real comparison point I have - it might be different on other servers.

At least from my experience the only "wrong" guilds are those that emphasize excluding people and create unneeded guild drama.
 
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Lagin3

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As far as I know players see the same lfm panel regardless of what guild they are in.

I mostly group with people I know on Cormyr, but when I do check the lfm panel on Cormyr it seems worse than Sarlona. That is my only real comparison point I have - it might be different on other servers.

At least from my experience the only "wrong" guilds are those that emphasize excluding people and create unneeded guild drama.
We had one member that did this, that person was removed. We will not tolerate that nonsense.
 
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