Cormyr is Opening to Everyone!
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Blerkington
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Yeah, and there are real world consquences for not sticking to these plans. Well not for SSG apparently, but certainly for the poor chumps who believe anything they say.
One of the points mentioned during earlier discussions of Cormyr was there's a segment of the population who wanted a fresh start. These people don't like the fact that there is such a huge spread in character power from reaper points and past lives and the way Cormyr was presented made it an attractive venue to them.
Presumably some of them did move over and spend money on buying things like tomes, bags, possibly even more expensive things like guild ships, etc, to get established in their new better balanced environment. And then, bam, the rug is yanked out from under them very soon after that.
I've lost hope SSG is ever going to have its 'Hey, are we the bad guys?' moment of realisation, let alone even consider compensating people for their more harmful changes of plan. But I do wish they would sometimes exercise just a bare minimum of caution to avoid routinely screwing people over and costing them significant investments of time, effort and even money.
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Solarpower
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People from EU with 300+ ping won't go to Cormyr either way.
PS. "economy" ? What "economy" if everything are BTA/BTC ?
Maybe, because they planned before the actual work on transfers begin and they didn't know whether transfers would be possible ?
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Blerkington
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Not everything is BTA or BTC. Selling unbound items like filigrees, certain crafting materials, curse cleanser cards, etc, is the backbone of the shard house economy. Other things being equal, servers that start earlier will have more currency in circulation.People from EU with 300+ ping won't go to Cormyr either way.
PS. "economy" ? What "economy" if everything are BTA/BTC ?
Maybe, because they planned before the actual work on transfers begin and they didn't know whether transfers would be possible ?
The entire premise of developing 64 bit servers is that SSG would be moving characters from legacy servers onto new, better performing ones. So it makes exactly zero sense that SSG would initially think that they could not transfer people onto those servers.
Sophie The Cat Burglar
Exotic Items Recovery Specialist
From an official source--Darth Severlin or Miss Tolero--what is "updated Character Transfer technology" planned to include? Astral Shards? Guilds? Monster Manuals? Mounts? Pets?
Is there a chance some or all of those items will be dropped from the plan?
No conjecture, please. From my perspective, everything rides on this.
Solarpower
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Like anyone would care about currency. On new servers AH/ASH will be empty because there was no one to farm items to put them in there.
Well, they didn't tell us they are going to move players on the 64 bit servers. They are proposing to transfer, and 32 bit servers stay operational. It's up to the players to decide where they are going to play.
Plus, "initially think" is "initially think". They didn't know what would be possible until they actually tell the engineers to work on transfers and such.
As far as we know, they are "working" on transfer everything (and fix MMs in the process). But we still don’t know the results of their work, so we don’t know what will be transferred and what will left behind.
Blerkington
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Astral Shards are currency. The ASAH will start to filling as soon as people start playing because people will be trying to sell things like filigrees, IoD crafting materials, double slotted crafting blanks, etc and other people will be trying to buy them. And if one server has been up for months by the time the others open, the first server is going to have lots more AS in circulation and lots more to spend them on.
You keep insisting noone would know transfers would be possible, but once again it's the basic premise of the exercise. There is zero reason at all to assume such a task would be impossible. It's just a matter of doing the work. Positing these stupid what-ifs doesnt advance this discussion at all, it's just low energy provocation from someone who just wants to be disagreeable while contributing nothing at all to this discussion.
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Solarpower
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And where will these “lots more” come from ?
People will transfer everything with them and post it on ASAH.People don't drop DDO waiting for new servers to arrive, they keep playing and collecting stuff they will be able to sell later.
And how do you know that ? Why are you so sure ? After all, the very first 64 bit server where opens as "new VIP player only". They might not have thought about transfers at that point.
Sure thing. You surely knows how thy store the data and what the game's code looks like.
Blerkington
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You're shifting the goalposts now. I said servers that start earlier will have more AS and more to buy, other things being equal. But if people transfer from 32 bit servers and can bring their AS balances things might be different if for some reason the majority of them go to newer servers.And where will these “lots more” come from ?
People don't drop DDO waiting for new servers to arrive, they keep playing and collecting stuff they will be able to sell later.
And how do you know that ? Why are you so sure ? After all, the very first 64 bit server where opens as "new VIP player only". They might not have thought about transfers at that point.
Sure thing. You surely knows how thy store the data and what the game's code looks like.
Businesses, including MMOs, do cross server data transfer all the time and have been for decades. There is nothing new about this and no reason to believe DDO is somehow a special case where it can't be done. Rather than continuing with your 'what-if' nonsense, can you point us to some facts which suggest it somehow isn't possible here when it's a commonplace occurrence throughout the rest of the world?
Solarpower
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Nope.
And WHY will they have more AS ? Because that's what you've decided ?
AS is a pay-to-get currency. People on newer servers might open DDO Store and simply buy tons of ASs, so the result number of them would be 10x more compared to the older servers ! You can't possibly know what will happen !
WHY will there be more ?
People on older servers keep farming. People who are waiting for the new servers keeps farming. One person can't play at 2 servers at the same time (well, unless he has 2 heads and 4 hands...)
But they all use different software. You can't simply assume Company B can do it since Company A did it.
All programs are unique. It is new every time !
Oh, there are tons of reasons.
"a commonplace occurrence" is usually "can't be transferred" actually...
cdbd3rd
Well-known member
aaaand.... Partial Lanterns.
At this point, even if it's stated we should yeet em, with the Cormyrian-flippy-flop™ going down I'm just gonna stash mine in a dusty corner right next to some piles of Traveller tokens.
Please! Just clone the servers, no transfers. Take down the servers, clone them to the 64 bit stuff, test and start them up, keep the old stuff around 'till you know it works. You will break a bunch of communities with transfers and you will lose customers that way.
Better to adapt than to stick to bad plans.
Because as you say, SSG is baaaaaadddd at planning.
I haven't seen them anywhere mentioning that, but maybe I'm wrong. I agree on ship transfer as a must, as I have invested huge time and money for my solo ship to get it to 185, apart from my main guild sitting at 200 cap.
Buddha5440
"There are some who call me...Tim"
By all means, get a job there and show them how it's done. Being as knowledgeable as you are it should be a simple task.
I hear a lot of complaints about things that haven't even happened yet when there are things to complain about that are happening. Monster Manuals
, ladder bugs, hireling AI, mob AI, stealth issues, etc.
Phoenicis
Savage's Husband
no.
Cloning the servers would drag along 16+ years of dead accounts and possibly corrupted data. (not to mention how do you 'clone' multiple servers to a single one?)
Enabling complete transfers leave behind the abandoned accounts and cleans out the databases.
And it has been repeatedly stated they are working on the tech to move pretty much everything.
danzig138
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Lol yet Cordo thinks they won't move shards. Maybe pay more attention to the conversations on the subject?
Phoenicis
Savage's Husband
Reading comprehension for the win (or loss in your case).
I said 'pretty much', specifically allowing for the possibility they wouldn't move shards.