DDO Math

Rusty_helmet

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SSG must be proud proponents of Common Core math...
My dodge when I hover over my AC is 40% (not in reaper)
When I click into the + and go to Avoidance defenses it is 42%

In reaper my dodge when I hover over my AC is 42%
When I click into the + and go to Avoidance defenses it is 51%

Also my bonus to max Dodge is +17%, which would mean 42% should be my dodge (25+17=42, I laid it out there for the SSG devs so they could check the math with their calculators).

Soo... which SSG dev failed math? All of them?
 

Ahpuch

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I believe that the value shown when you hover over the AC is the actual effective Dodge (ie capped dodge). On the + tab it show the max value if it is not getting capped by your armor or other caps. So both are correct but the one on the AC hover is more meaningful.
 

Rusty_helmet

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I have lots of beliefs, but generally math should not be based on them. What you say makes sense as a logical conclusion, but is there any documentation of that? Not being snarky with you, actually wondering if there is any documentation to verify that.
 

J1NG

I can do things others can't...
I think what you'll find, is that the Dodge % in the AC Panel, is your total amount fully worked out for you (including limitations of Dodge like Dodge Cap and Max Dex Bonus).

The amount listed in the + Panel, is the total amount without factoring in any limitations.

J1NG
 

Oliphant

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Common core underestimated the dim wittedness of parents. Yes, you can get a kid to visualize a number line and see that subtraction is the length between two points, but the fatal flaw is for the parents helping, it has to be for dummies.
 

OG DM

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One of those is the max value you could get to with more work lifting cap. One is the capped value in use. One is a miss chance including armor.
 

Bjond

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There is also the sneaking suspicion that ALL displayed values are not the real values, but calculated separately and purely for display; yeah, v.bad coding to do that (like utterly incompetent bad), but various comments and changes over time to the displayed values make make me think this is the case.
 

PraetorPlato

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There is also the sneaking suspicion that ALL displayed values are not the real values, but calculated separately and purely for display; yeah, v.bad coding to do that (like utterly incompetent bad), but various comments and changes over time to the displayed values make make me think this is the case.
This is correct. Devs have mentioned that tooltips and effects are driven by two separate values, and e.g. quality SP are mismatched.
 

Alco

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It's not "common". It should be called NEW core math. It's like those 'Modern Parenting' books written by people who have never raised kids.

It isn't new. It works based on how the human brain processes things. The previous math that was taught didn't teach math, but algorithms to get things done with no understanding of why it works. That is why parents disliked it - they never really understood math so had trouble with the basic concepts.
 

Oliphant

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Just an aside: Before Common Core, quite a while before, there was "New Math" for a little while. That one was trying to lean into teaching kids set theory (probably not a good idea).
 

_fully_carroted_

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What's wrong with common core math?
People who don't understand how to teach math wind up complaining that it's different from the way they learned how to do it.

The parts that people whine about are the best parts. They get kids comfortable with how numbers feel, and it makes math a whole lot easier to follow once they get a few years older. I love this quote in particular:
In the Venn diagram, the set of people who say, "Oh, I was never very good at math!" and the set of people who complain about not understanding common core has an exceptionally large intersection. And the people in that intersection don't realize the significance of that.
 

Rusty_helmet

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Math doesn't care about your feelings.
Common Core math is a way for people to make money (always follow the money). It doesn't teach the why anymore than the old math models did in the past. But hey, what does this teacher know?
 

Oliphant

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Math doesn't care about your feelings.
Common Core math is a way for people to make money (always follow the money). It doesn't teach the why anymore than the old math models did in the past. But hey, what does this teacher know?
Common core didn't actually determine your school's curriculum though, just provided some parameters. When a teacher or parent doesn't like a particular lesson, it's a whole forensics situation to figure how why your curriculum has silly lessons. The really dumb idea is the high stakes testing and effectively making teachers teach to the high stakes testing.
 

Rusty_helmet

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Common core didn't actually determine your school's curriculum though, just provided some parameters. When a teacher or parent doesn't like a particular lesson, it's a whole forensics situation to figure how why your curriculum has silly lessons. The really dumb idea is the high stakes testing and effectively making teachers teach to the high stakes testing.
haha. Have you been in a school system? State standards/benchmarks 100% determine curriculum these days. The creativity of teaching is dead. Teach to a test. Get kids to pass test. Call that learning. Move on to the next standard. That is teaching today.
 

AbyssalMage

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Just to dispel the rumor, Common Core is not "new" but something that's been around for awhile. It's just new to American families. And because most adults never make it past Algebra demonstrates the hurdles as a society we must overcome to compete with the rest of the ?
 

Oliphant

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haha. Have you been in a school system? State standards/benchmarks 100% determine curriculum these days. The creativity of teaching is dead. Teach to a test. Get kids to pass test. Call that learning. Move on to the next standard. That is teaching today.
Get rid of the high stakes testing and a lot of the problems fade away. Get rid of common core, then you just have to go and deal with a whole new switch over, which is the worst part of it.
 
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