DDOwiki poll for Heroic, Epic, and Legendary icons.

DYWYPI

DYWYPI

Well-known member
No, because I don't use Discord.

So you are telling me there is some hidden poll on an opaque third-party [Discord] website about some icons. Rather than either having the polls on the DDO forums or the DDO Wiki itself?

In either case the icons are not always rendering correctly for the first choice images on the list:

https://ddowiki.com/page/Template:Heroic
https://ddowiki.com/page/Template:Epic
https://ddowiki.com/page/Template:Legendary

How are those going to be used in context?

For example, the first choices (top positioned images on the list on each template) seem like random shapes that make little sense. Furthermore, like was said one of the images the orange one appears to be corrupted on some systems. They remind me a little like a child's puzzle shapes.

The second set (middle positioned images on the list) at least looks like a silhouette humanoid warrior character of some description.

Then you have the third (bottom positioned images on the list) with star shaped pips counts; again explain how that relates in context to any of the three variables, e.g. Heroic, Epic and Legendary.

I cannot help but think this pursuit akin to catching moonlight in a jar – beautifully ambitious, yet its purpose remains tantalisingly out of reach.
 
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Broken Old Monk

Broken Old Monk

Keep All Void and Elemental Finishers Please?
Ummm.......Can't anyone just go and change them if they no likey them? Isn't that what the wiki all about? public info publicly edited?
 
Rogue

Rogue

UI Editor
@Titus Ovid As far as I've gathered, these are the options.

Set 1​

Set 2​

Set 3​

Heroic​

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Epic​

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Legendary​

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DYWYPI

DYWYPI

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While I, along with many other people, contribute to the DDO Wiki, I had no involvement in organising this poll. This thread is, in fact, the first time I've come across it, as the discussions leading up to this seem to have taken place mostly on Discord or only involved a few people.

My concern lies in accessibility. Hosting the poll on a platform that requires login credentials just to view the page may impose an unnecessary barrier to participation. Platforms like the DDO forums or the wiki allow anyone to engage or observe, freely without mandatory login requirements for basic access, making them far more inclusive options for community discussions.

Judging by the responses here, it seems I'm not the only one who found the poll and its context unclear. A more transparent approach – not just in hosting the poll but in communicating its purpose and process – would go a long way in avoiding confusion and fostering collaboration.

I'd encourage everyone to focus on solutions that improve transparency and inclusiveness, particularly for future initiatives. Ideally, community-wide polls should be hosted in spaces accessible to all members of the community, regardless of platform preferences or account requirements.

Solely going from the nine image choices given and the lack of easily accessible context in this thread, I personally wouldn't recommend any of the icons given in the preview. I'd even possibly challenge the reasoning. However, like was mentioned I'd require proper "context" before I could decide. Clearly I couldn't vote anyway (see above). Nevertheless I can certainly still access the Forums.
 
Rogue

Rogue

UI Editor
DYWYPI said:
While I, along with many other people, contribute to the DDO Wiki, I had no involvement in organising this poll. This thread is, in fact, the first time I've come across it, as the discussions leading up to this seem to have taken place mostly on Discord or only involved a few people.

My concern lies in accessibility. Hosting the poll on a platform that requires login credentials just to view the page may impose an unnecessary barrier to participation. Platforms like the DDO forums or the wiki allow anyone to engage or observe, freely without mandatory login requirements for basic access, making them far more inclusive options for community discussions.

Judging by the responses here, it seems I'm not the only one who found the poll and its context unclear. A more transparent approach – not just in hosting the poll but in communicating its purpose and process – would go a long way in avoiding confusion and fostering collaboration.

I'd encourage everyone to focus on solutions that improve transparency and inclusiveness, particularly for future initiatives. Ideally, community-wide polls should be hosted in spaces accessible to all members of the community, regardless of platform preferences or account requirements.

Solely going from the nine image choices given and the lack of easily accessible context in this thread, I personally wouldn't recommend any of the icons given in the preview. I'd even possibly challenge the reasoning. However, like was mentioned I'd require proper "context" before I could decide. Clearly I couldn't vote anyway (see above). Nevertheless I can certainly still access the Forums.
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New Poll Here! Not from @ShoeMaker, but I added a more public poll if people want to use it... I personally like discord, but that poll is hidden in a channel and not the first thing you see from link. Should have a #polls channel, if they wanted more interaction with it and to get people to join the server.

Does this help?
 
DYWYPI

DYWYPI

Well-known member
It wasn't the poll so much, as the application and the context behind the poll existence. Yes, a person can go I like: A, B or C or none of the above. Still it doesn't describe it in context.

For example, how do those (Heroic, Epic and Legendary) icons enrich in context what are their functions. Are they even useful for reducing cognitive load or just pretty eye candy decorations? Icons frequently cause accessibly and usability problems.

OK, I can present nine images in a thread and say: Cow, Sheep and Pig icons, go vote. It doesn't tell your audience the context.

For the DDO Wiki front landing page:

"[...] Vote now in our Discord chat server poll to choose an icon for {{Heroic}}, {{Epic}}, and {{Legendary}} to use on wiki to be able to make tables and stuff more manageable. ..."
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That measage implies it is supposed to have some actual 'informative' or 'functional' purpose rather than just a pretty 'decorative' image.

> You see goldfish swimming above fluorescent rocks.
 
Rogue

Rogue

UI Editor
DYWYPI said:
It wasn't the poll so much, as the application and the context behind the poll existence. Yes, a person can go I like: A, B or C or none of the above. Still it doesn't describe it in context.

For example, how do those (Heroic, Epic and Legendary) icons enrich in context what are their functions. Are they even useful for reducing cognitive load or just pretty eye candy decorations? Icons frequently cause accessibly and usability problems.

OK, I can present nine images in a thread and say: Cow, Sheep and Pig icons, go vote. It doesn't tell your audience the context.

For the DDO Wiki front landing page:



That measage implies it is supposed to have some actual 'informative' or 'functional' purpose rather than just a pretty 'decorative' image.

> You see goldfish swimming above fluorescent rocks.
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I assume it is just decoration. It may help on some tables, to direct the eyes to the relevant information. Mainly like XP and loot tables. I personally don't know the scale of the project, I've only done minor edits on this particular wiki. But, I'm unsure the full thing. If it was XP tables and things, they kinda already have a structure on that. Perhaps its 'improving' it. I suppose once the poll is done, we will see the over all changes start to roll in.
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DYWYPI

DYWYPI

Well-known member
I get the vague impression from the DDO Wiki banner text alone [Post #13] (remember I don't have any login credentials to view Discord). The reason behind the idea was because someone had bitten off more than they can chew.

Perhaps for example, they tried to create a needlessly overly complex table structure. Then realised what they had created was unworkable or too complex, etc.

So then some (private, i.e. not visible without login) Discord chat was likely created and the problem hadn't been resolved.

Therefore, to complicate matters further they decided to add those icons and announce a public poll that – slightly ironically – was in fact exclusive to the Discord platform only, requiring credentials just to even see.

Because they had developed a new "experimental table" structure that was likely "not fit for purpose" in the first place, e.g. it had been poorly thought out and implemented. Or perhaps it was a consolidation of far too many items that appeared within the said "experimental table", an such. Leading to chaos and clutter...

For example, "A brainstorm without the storm" is good; the other way around a "A brainstorm without the brain" is not ideal. :-/

Of course that is just healthy speculation. Because the context hasn't been clarified by the OP plus I cannot personally see the Discord content.

Rogue, at least those prototype icons shapes you've produced seem more logical. Given that you also weren't given the proper context to work from either. I'd lean towards your scheme.
 
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