DPS test

[SpartanKiller13]

1:20 R4 Scorp (1:28 first, but 1:20 and 1:19 = learned stuff better lol)
~2:30 R1 Giant, solo (self-healing, knockback, a lil' lag, and no SA, but 2/3 around there is good enough for me)

15/5 Paladin/DLord, Str HOrc, THF w/Falchion. ~50% bonus helpless damage about 80% of the time for Scorp.
I had the Str set already and wanted to try SWF longswords, but swapped at cap b/c I hated F&F.
Fury > LD > SD, DL > VKF > Ravager for trees.

Not what I'd call great melee DPS, but it's what I have on-hand and more benchmarks will help this project

 

[Bjond]

Some data from chars with ~75 reaper, epic-completionist, a few heroics, and no racials. They all have 210k SXP. All but the HC8 char have S8 tomes. None have much mythic or reaper bonus gear (random bits here and there).

1:47	shiradi thrower	Shiradi:33 SD:23 FotW:11
2:11	DL/haxen helpless	LD:34 FOTW:27 SD:6
2:53	INQ on SF	Shiradi:12 DC:33 Fate:21 (TR build, no epic moment)
4:09	INQ on PM/EK	Shiradi:35 Macro:16 Primal:14, HC8 1st-life in DC gear, no tomes, no reaper
5:19	DRoll Sticky monk	FOTW:35 SD:16 DC:16 (v.old build/gear .. from pre-ED pass)
7:15	DRoll Tank	US:34 FOTW:24 SD:9 (for scream+rage heal + quick/cutter AE salt)
9:52	DRoll Tank	US:34 SD:24 FOTW:9 (for meld + darkness+shadowloss debuffs)

I was surprised the debuffs from SD didn't beat FOTW for the tank. Never taken the time to watch debuffs while live tanking, but LOTS of time here; shadowloss has a 5m duration that is refreshed on reapplication. Both debuffs had 100% uptime. Darkness is indeed 3 stacks @ 12s, but I doubt it's vorpal-only. It refreshed often, rarely dipped below 10s duration -- felt like "on crit" but not on real confirmed crits, just crit-rolls.

 

[mikarddo]

Some data from chars

Thanks. Thats on the scorpion, right? Also, what does DRoll mean?

 

[Bjond]

Thanks. Thats on the scorpion, right? Also, what does DRoll mean?

Oops, yep, scorpion R4. DRoll = Defensive Roll from rogue with AP in TA for trigger at 50% hp.

 

[PraetorPlato]

same with my PM.. 1000 spell power after every possible source I could grab.

See the Imgur screenshots above—you can def get another 200.

 

[Vox]

same with my PM.. 1000 spell power after every possible source I could grab.

Let's have a go... I think you can go higher

153 equipment (corrected)
076 insight
037 quality
037 exceptional specific
015 exceptional USP
030 artifact specific
025 artifact USP
045 implement (dino bone weapon)
025 coms pot
025 sup. nihil pot
060 epic power
020 legendary power
060 capstone palemaster (cores)
010 deathly power (PM core choice)
020 ascended lich form
015 feydark 3rd core
040 EK cores (4th & take medium armour prof t4)
050 Heal skill (conservative)
040 Magus cores
040 Magus tree + using gloomlance
030 Draconic cores x3
020 Draconic tree
015 EA (if you want wings, or primal, or any other caster tree) x3 cores
020 Epic spell power negative
040 Scion of the Shadowfell
150 Wellspring

1061


TBD Filigree
TBD Reaper SP
TBD Reaper boosts
TBD Mythic boosts
TBD Curse USP
TBD Deep Gnome USP / WF USP
TBD 4th core on secondary caster ED
TBD USP adds from 3rd caster tree
TBD Better PM build AP spend
TBD Psionic bonus
TBD Group buffs

 

[Bjond]

045 implement (dino bone weapon)

Curious about this one. How do you get the old 3xEnhance version of implement on a dino weapon? These days, implement = ML.

Unless it's perhaps one of the enhancement trees that didn't get updated. EK-granted implement bonus still 3x?

 

[Fisto Mk I]

153 enhancement

Equipment. Enhancement SP bonuses was removed when RL belts was nerfed.

 

[Vox]

Curious about this one. How do you get the old 3xEnhance version of implement on a dino weapon? These days, implement = ML.

Unless it's perhaps one of the enhancement trees that didn't get updated. EK-granted implement bonus still 3x?

I logged in and checked what it was, but in any case it would only be -14 with the current wiki wording

 

[Lominal]

26s on shuri, no vuln or ooze. the rotation wasnt optimal but gives you an idea of how 21s is possible. dps starts at 22s, ends at 48

 

[Bjond]

26s on shuri, no vuln or ooze. the rotation wasnt optimal but gives you an idea of how 21s is possible. dps starts at 22s, ends at 48

Looks like 17x3x5 HW:T5 Shiradi:T5 SD:T3 Fate:T3 in Wind Stance. Curious, is Wind for the 4+DEX or does it perhaps also include a doubleshot bonus now (iirc, it used to be only doublestrike)? Waaay back when I ran shuri I was always in Ocean for the passive ki. Hmm, also wonder if Sun's 19-20+1 works on shuriken. If it does, it might be a little more DPS.

 

[Lominal]

it does, I'm just lazy, wind is for trance boost

 

[Bjond]

it does, I'm just lazy, wind is for trance boost

LOL .. thanks. I was curious if I'd missed an update to it.

 

[Lominal]

and yeah the ED layout is t5 shiradi, t4 fatesinger (7 dmg), t3 SD

 

[I dont Like gimps]

and yeah the ED layout is t5 shiradi, t4 fatesinger (7 dmg), t3 SD

das a suprise I expected SD t4 for the debuff

 

[Lominal]

shuri attack speed doesnt reliably proc it enough (you only get ~ 10 procs/min average)

 

[Mindos]

26s on shuri, no vuln or ooze. the rotation wasnt optimal but gives you an idea of how 21s is possible. dps starts at 22s, ends at 48

Impressive!

 

[Fisto Mk I]

Looks like 17x3x5 HW:T5 Shiradi:T5 SD:T3 Fate:T3 in Wind Stance. Curious, is Wind for the 4+DEX or does it perhaps also include a doubleshot bonus now (iirc, it used to be only doublestrike)? Waaay back when I ran shuri I was always in Ocean for the passive ki. Hmm, also wonder if Sun's 19-20+1 works on shuriken. If it does, it might be a little more DPS.

We talk before about this, remember? 8)
Wind stance provide +15 Throwing Alacrity, +4 DEX mean also +8DS, +2 to Damage (+4 with HW Trance) and better synergy with Pinnacle for damage. Personally, i usual use Water stance for better defense, Ki is not more problem with Orchid Blossom. Fire stance provide more damage, with more point in GMoF spended (The Flickering Flame), 19-20 +1 crit multiplicator works for shurikens.

 

[Bjond]

We talk before about this, remember? 8)
Wind stance provide +15 Throwing Alacrity

As enhancement, it shouldn't stack. Last I checked, ROF hard-cap could be reached with whirling wrists & zero alacrity. Just logged my thrower to make sure and it's still pretty close:

• 76/m with 20% & no whirling
• 82/m with whirling & no gear
• 86/m with whirling + 20%

I don't have a shuriken monk to test, but using my sticky monk, it showed that Wind stance adds it's melee alacrity to the front-side bonus (on the character panel) and does not stack with melee alacrity from gear, but it's ranged alacrity adds to the detail ranged panel and stacks with whirling. Gear ranged alacrity adds to the front panel and from quick check, front & back panel numbers stack (didn't check how they stack, but adding to both gives higher ROF than either alone).

Anyway, another broken tooltip -- thanks for catching it here. DDO is nuttier than a barrel of squirrels.

 

[Bjond]

Those numbers from my thrower should be looked at with suspicion, btw. I just noticed some really weird things with it's front & back panel ranged alacrity. It's showing an 20% ranged alacrity on the front side even naked. The VKF tree is the only thing that should be adding ranged alacrity to it. Tried ripping that out, which (very oddly) reduced back detail ranged alacrity from 51% to 30%, but front ranged alacrity stayed at 20%. Putting VKF back increased back-side to 51% again. VKF should only be adding 5% from C3.

I think this is one of those weird bugs from the giant ED pass a couple years ago. All my chars were bugged in various ways from that. All had leftover "sticky" things from the old deleted EDs. The ones I've TR'd clean up nicely and look normal again, but I haven't been playing enough to do real cache-making TRs on all of them.