Dragon Breath DC's
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FVSHasBeenEvenMoreGutted
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because there is very few dragon breaths in game that could benefit (same applies to abjuration spells but we get abjuration every expansion...)
The Blonde
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For the first question: only enhancements and Epic Destinies.
For the second question: because it's a newer effect, and many more characters have access to spells in general, compared to how many have access to breath weapons.
With that said, yes, more items with +Breath Weapon DCs should be released.
Tonquin
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Dragon Breath spells use Dragon Breath DC boosts AND DC boosts from the type of spell it is. So, for example, Red Dragon Breath is both a Breath Weapon spell AND an Evocation spell, and benefits from both Evocation Spell DC boosting items AND Breath Weapon DC boosting items.
Lazuli
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First they should fix banishment and dismissal, which still don't work in many parts of the game, like Devil's gambit (although similar spells from other classes like the alchemist do work there)
I probably should have added a little bit more to my original post. So with the release of Dragon lord we got the new skill dragon roar. It uses breath weapon dc's as well as str/cha mod, stun dcs. So other then that how would you add onto it? Seems weird that they made breath weapon dcs part of the calculation when theres only 4 items that give it.
What other enhancement/destiny trees have breath weapon dcs besides dragonborn racial tree? Im either blind and not seeing them on the wiki or my google foo is lacking
Tonquin
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That's normally how DC calculations work - you have a base amount, an associated ability score or series of ability scores, and then a bonus DC amount (in this case, Stunning AND Breath Weapon DCs, versus just Stunning DCs for abilities like Stunning Blow). The Breath Weapon DCs do not replace any portion of DC calculation, they are an additional vector to further improve the DC of the ability in question. So, bringing it all together, to increase the DC of Dragon's Roar, you'll need to find a way to increase either your Strength, Charisma, Stunning DC bonuses, or Breath Weapon DC bonuses.
Exactly what I was asking how and where can I find Breath Weapon DCs other than those 4 pieces of gear and the Dragonborn Racial enhancement tree.
Svirfneblin
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More Breath Weapon DCs items would be helpful. And an augment. Add something that increases breath damage and breath special effects by a %%% ?
Dragon Roar as a heroic feat is closer to an Epic strike than some Heroic strikes...I find it to be of good balance for melee, consider the following:
Stunning Shield: While shield equipped, Activate: Melee shield bash with shield for [+10%/+20%/+30%] Damage. This attack stuns enemies unless Fortitude save vs DC(10 + highest ability modifier + character level + stunning bonuses). (Tier 3 Heroic)
Dragon's Roar: Tactical Feat: Enemies in a cone ahead of you must make a Will Saving Throw (DC 10 + Highest of STR and CHA mod + Stunning bonuses + Breath Weapon DC bonuses) or be Dazed. (Tier 4 Heroic)
Shield Rush: While shield equipped, Activate: Rush forward in a line, delivering a shield bash to every creature hit. Each enemy is knocked down for [+20%/+40%/+60%] damage. The knockdown is negated on Fortitude saving throw vs DC(20 + highest ability modifier + class level + bonus to trip attacks). (Tier 5 Heroic)
Dire Charge: (Melee Attack): Epic Strike: Deals +40% Damage. Rush forward at the targeted foe, attacking it and all nearby foes. Affected enemies must make a Fortitude save (20 + highest Ability Score + Sunder bonuses) or be Sundered. (Epic Strike)
So, Roar will drop off a bit in end-game, but not by much and i'm sure well get dragon breath augments or some such if not already released/planned.
Though some combination of Dragon Lord and Paladin Vanguard and you're Shield Rush & Dire Charge & Dragon's Roar would be unquestionable crowd-control.
Plus, Dragon Roar is a will save, so it'll be silly how well it takes out melee types...honestly, will save alone makes this a super power.
Stunning Shield: While shield equipped, Activate: Melee shield bash with shield for [+10%/+20%/+30%] Damage. This attack stuns enemies unless Fortitude save vs DC(10 + highest ability modifier + character level + stunning bonuses). (Tier 3 Heroic)
Dragon's Roar: Tactical Feat: Enemies in a cone ahead of you must make a Will Saving Throw (DC 10 + Highest of STR and CHA mod + Stunning bonuses + Breath Weapon DC bonuses) or be Dazed. (Tier 4 Heroic)
Shield Rush: While shield equipped, Activate: Rush forward in a line, delivering a shield bash to every creature hit. Each enemy is knocked down for [+20%/+40%/+60%] damage. The knockdown is negated on Fortitude saving throw vs DC(20 + highest ability modifier + class level + bonus to trip attacks). (Tier 5 Heroic)
Dire Charge: (Melee Attack): Epic Strike: Deals +40% Damage. Rush forward at the targeted foe, attacking it and all nearby foes. Affected enemies must make a Fortitude save (20 + highest Ability Score + Sunder bonuses) or be Sundered. (Epic Strike)
So, Roar will drop off a bit in end-game, but not by much and i'm sure well get dragon breath augments or some such if not already released/planned.
Though some combination of Dragon Lord and Paladin Vanguard and you're Shield Rush & Dire Charge & Dragon's Roar would be unquestionable crowd-control.
Plus, Dragon Roar is a will save, so it'll be silly how well it takes out melee types...honestly, will save alone makes this a super power.
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LeoLionxxx
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IMO, Breath Weapon and Rune Arm DCs are both rare enough on Gear, and niche in their usage, that they should be combined.
Lore Justification: Both have to do with summoning forth energy and focusing it.
Kessaran
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So, you already have base DC + Stunning bonuses + Aura bonuses + Ability mod bonuses. It's not like you REALLY need to maximize breath weapon dc's to make the ability work as even just base DC + Stunning Bonuses + Ability Mod + Aura Bonuses is plenty.
True but its not about stacking a max Dragon Roar build. Its about having options to fill it out if stuff is slotted in areas you cant use the Breath weapon DC items since its only in 2 sets of goggles and 2 cloaks