DRAGON LORD CHARISMA BUILD U72

Mary

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DRAGON LORD CHARISMA BUILD U72

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Hey! Here's the updated Dragon Lord Fighter for U72 - Dragon Lord is like the Thanos of DDO, this archetype has all of the infinity stones and its not afraid to drop a planet on whatever it wants to erase - tons of damage, really really fun.

My variant because I'm probably crazy or as my youtube channel followers will tell you, garbage because I suck at this game, my variant is charisma. That's right. We are like the Professor Gilderoy Lockhart of fighters. We smile and our teeth shine. There's no kobold that can refuse our swag - we are full of orcish rizz.

Now you may be saying what? charisma why? Because we are in Feydark Illusionist for the fey short sword and we use that exclusively single weapon fighting. I know, I know - you want to use your sword of shadows, well, if I may be so bold - my charisma build is fun.

It gets way more fun if you do this on a toon that has multiple past lives, reaper points, tomes, etc. As displayed its a first life drow, but to build it like I did you will need to have a few things:

You need:
Dragon Lord Archetype (duh)
32 point build
+3 Racial Tome
+2 Universal Time
+3 Fate Tome
x3 Destiny Tomes

My gear is all IOD mostly - I use the fey sword 1-34 - why? Rizz bro. Lots and lots of rizz.

Your main stat is CHA followed by Con. You need balance for SWF and you want UMD maxed. If you have the points grab bluff and diplo. I always put 1 point in tumble and 1 point in peform. You dont have to.

Since you have so much rizz already you dont need anything in swim, but you could if you wanted your game to go swimmingly.

IMPORTANT: In heroics leveling up we use at least 11 points in Feydark for color spray - color spray is the first thing we go for because it will CC everything. You jump cast it. Once you get your Dragon Roar you have 2 CCs and are GODLY.

In Epics you spec out of color spray and focus on getting your dragon lord tree and you want knockdown immunity which you gain from core 4 stalward defender.

Your epic strike leveling up is Quick Cuts - at Cap at 34 you can swap Quick Cuts for Adrenaline especially if you raid and want to do boss burst, but you could stay quick cuts if you wanted to tackle trash - its up to you.

Character name: Dragon Lord Charisma Build U72
Classes: 20 Dragon Lord, E10, L4
Race: Drow Alignment: True Neutral

Start Tome Final HP: 1472 Displacement: 50%
Str: 10 0 12 Unc Rng: -360 Incorp: 0%
Dex: 10 0 10 PRR: 15 AC: 19
Con: 12 0 14 MRR: 18 +Healing Amp: 0
Int: 12 0 12 Dodge: 0/25 -Healing Amp: 0
Wis: 10 0 10 Fort: 62% Repair Amp: 0
Cha: 20 0 35 SR: 12 BAB: 25
DR:
Immunities: Sleep, Fear, Knockdown, Most forms of Knockdown, Magic Missiles, Energy Drain, Silence, Quell, Blindness

Class and Feat Selection


LevelClassFeats
1Dragon Lord(1)Standard: Magical Training
Minor Draconic Aura: Thraxata's Instinct
Cross Class Skills: Balance(4), Perform(2), Tumble(2), Use Magic Device(4)
2Dragon Lord(2)Fighter Bonus Feat: Single Weapon Fighting
Class Skills: Jump(1)
Cross Class Skills: Balance(1), Use Magic Device(1)
3Dragon Lord(3)Standard: Weapon Focus: Piercing Weapons
Class Skills: Jump(1)
Cross Class Skills: Balance(1), Use Magic Device(1)
4Dragon Lord(4)Fighter Bonus Feat: Weapon Specialization: Piercing Weapons
Charisma: +1 Level up
Class Skills: Jump(1)
Cross Class Skills: Balance(1), Use Magic Device(1)
5Dragon Lord(5)Class Skills: Jump(1)
Cross Class Skills: Balance(1), Use Magic Device(1)
6Dragon Lord(6)Standard: Improved Single Weapon Fighting
Fighter Bonus Feat: Power Critical
Class Skills: Jump(1)
Cross Class Skills: Balance(1), Use Magic Device(1)
7Dragon Lord(7)Class Skills: Jump(1)
Cross Class Skills: Balance(1), Use Magic Device(1)
8Dragon Lord(8)Major Draconic Aura: Velah's Fury
Charisma: +1 Level up
Class Skills: Jump(1)
Cross Class Skills: Balance(1), Use Magic Device(1)
9Dragon Lord(9)Standard: Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons
Class Skills: Jump(1)
Cross Class Skills: Balance(1), Use Magic Device(1)
10Dragon Lord(10)Fighter Bonus Feat: Tactical Combatant
Class Skills: Jump(1)
Cross Class Skills: Balance(1), Use Magic Device(1)
11Dragon Lord(11)Class Skills: Jump(1)
Cross Class Skills: Balance(1), Use Magic Device(1)
12Dragon Lord(12)Standard: Greater Single Weapon Fighting
Fighter Bonus Feat: Offhand Versatility
Charisma: +1 Level up
Class Skills: Jump(1)
Cross Class Skills: Balance(1), Use Magic Device(1)
13Dragon Lord(13)Class Skills: Jump(1)
Cross Class Skills: Balance(1), Use Magic Device(1)
14Dragon Lord(14)Fighter Bonus Feat: Greater Weapon Focus: Piercing Weapons
Class Skills: Jump(1)
Cross Class Skills: Balance(1), Use Magic Device(1)
15Dragon Lord(15)Standard: Greater Weapon Specialization: Piercing Weapons
Class Skills: Jump(1)
Cross Class Skills: Balance(1), Use Magic Device(1)
16Dragon Lord(16)Superior Draconic Aura: The Truthful One's Might
Charisma: +1 Level up
Class Skills: Jump(1)
Cross Class Skills: Balance(1), Use Magic Device(1)
17Dragon Lord(17)Class Skills: Jump(1)
Cross Class Skills: Balance(1), Use Magic Device(1)
18Dragon Lord(18)Standard: Tactical Supremacy
Fighter Bonus Feat: Tactical Master
Class Skills: Jump(1)
Cross Class Skills: Balance(1), Use Magic Device(1)
19Dragon Lord(19)Class Skills: Jump(1)
Cross Class Skills: Balance(1), Use Magic Device(1)
20Dragon Lord(20)Fighter Bonus Feat: Tactical Training
Charisma: +1 Level up
Class Skills: Jump(3)
21Epic(1)Epic Feat: Overwhelming Critical
22Epic(2)Epic Destiny Feat: Doublestrike
23Epic(3)
24Epic(4)Epic Feat: Eerie Aim
Charisma: +1 Level up
25Epic(5)Epic Destiny Feat: Perfect Single Weapon Fighting
26Epic(6)
27Epic(7)Epic Feat: Paranoid
28Epic(8)Epic Destiny Feat: Harbinger of Chaos
Charisma: +1 Level up
29Epic(9)
30Epic(10)Epic Feat: Epic Damage Reduction
Legendary Feat: Scion of Arborea
31Legendary(1)Epic Destiny Feat: Embodiment of Law
32Legendary(2)Charisma: +1 Level up
33Legendary(3)Epic Feat: Patience
34Legendary(4)Epic Destiny Feat: Legendary Aim
Code:
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Skill Points     12  3  3  3  3  3  3  3  3  3  3  3  3  3  3  3  3  3  3  3
Skill Name       01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20  Ranks Tome Buffed
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Balance           2  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½      11.0    0   21.0
Bluff                                                                           0.0    0   22.0
Concentration                                                                   0.0    0   12.0
Diplomacy                                                                       0.0    0   22.0
Disable Device                                                                  0.0    0   11.0
Haggle                                                                          0.0    0   22.0
Heal                                                                            0.0    0   10.0
Hide                                                                            0.0    0   16.0
Intimidate                                                                      0.0    0   22.0
Jump                 1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  3   21.0    0   32.0
Listen                                                                          0.0    0   12.0
Move Silently                                                                   0.0    0   16.0
Open Lock                                                                       0.0    0   10.0
Perform           1                                                             1.0    0   23.0
Repair                                                                          0.0    0   11.0
Search                                                                          0.0    0   13.0
Spellcraft                                                                      0.0    0   11.0
Spot                                                                            0.0    0   12.0
Swim                                                                            0.0    0   11.0
Tumble            1                                                             1.0    0   11.0
Use Magic Device  2  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½      11.0    0   33.0
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Available Points  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0
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Enhancements: 80 APs
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Drow - Points spent: 7
Core1 Spell Resistance I
Core2 Ability I: +1 Charisma
Core3 Spell Resistance II
Core4 Ability II: +1 Charisma
Core5 Spell Resistance III
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Dragon Lord - Points spent: 41
Core1 Draconic Soul: Soul of the Black Dragon
Tier1 Battlefield Tactician I
Tier1 Martial Superiority: Dragon Lord: Martial Superiority: Strike Twice - 3 Ranks
Tier1 Dragon's Protection I
Tier1 Unbreakable Will - 1 Ranks
Core2 Draconic Arms
Tier2 Battlefield Tactician II
Tier2 Dragonslayer
Tier2 Action Boost: Action Boost: Haste - 3 Ranks
Tier2 Dragon's Protection II
Tier3 Dragon's Protection III
Tier3 Battlefield Tactician III
Tier3 Might or Outburst: Draconic Conviction - 3 Ranks
Tier3 Ability Score I: +1 Charisma
Tier3 Dragon's Roar
Core3 Reckless Devotion
Tier4 Untouchable Soul
Tier4 Ability Score II: +1 Charisma
Tier4 Battlefield Tactician IV
Tier4 Dragon's Protection IV
Core4 Conqueror's Command
Core5 Dragon's Defense
Tier5 Improved Dragon's Roar
Tier5 Tactical Commander
Tier5 Soul Scales
Tier5 Flight of Kings
Tier5 Conqueror - 2 Ranks
Core6 Sunder Soul
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Stalwart Defender - Points spent: 24
Core1 Toughness
Tier1 Improved Stalwart Defense I: Durable Defense - 3 Ranks
Tier1 Stalwart Defensive Mastery - 3 Ranks
Core2 Stalwart Defense
Tier2 Improved Stalwart Defense II: Resilient Defense - 3 Ranks
Tier2 Armor Expertise - 3 Ranks
Core3 Overbalance
Tier3 Ability I: +1 Constitution
Tier3 Greater Stalwart Defense I: Tenacious Defense - 3 Ranks
Core4 Stand Fast
Tier4 Swift Defense
Tier4 Ability II: +1 Constitution
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Feydark Illusionist - Points spent: 8
Core1 Find Familiar: Illusory Sprite
Tier1 Illusory Weaponry
Tier1 Familiar's Flourish I
Core2 Ability I: Charisma
Tier2 Reality Bulwark - 1 Ranks
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Epic Destinies: 69 Destiny Points
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Shadowdancer - Points spent: 34
Core1 The Darkest Luck I
Tier1 Cover of Darkness - 3 Ranks
Tier1 Stealthy - 3 Ranks
Tier2 Shadowform
Core2 Step Through Shadows
Tier2 Lithe - 3 Ranks
Core3 The Darkest Luck
Tier3 Depths of Darkness
Tier3 Shadowcaster: Shadowstriker
Tier3 Grim Precision - 3 Ranks
Core4 Cut to the Soul
Tier4 Bring Darkness
Tier4 Dark Mercy - 3 Ranks
Tier4 Pierce the Gloom - 3 Ranks
Tier5 Shadow Mastery
Tier5 Unholy Feeding
Tier5 Just a Taste
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Fury of the Wild - Points spent: 24
Core1 Die Hard
Tier1 Strength or Swiftness: Quick Cutter - 3 Ranks
Tier1 Enduring - 1 Ranks
Core2 Die Harder
Tier2 Primal Scream
Tier2 Gird against Demons
Core3 Die Harderest
Tier3 Embrace the Pain - 3 Ranks
Tier3 Fury Selector: Spirit of the Beast - 3 Ranks
Tier3 Wild Weapons: Doublestrike - 3 Ranks
Core4 Be the Whirlwind
Tier4 Unquenchable Rage - 3 Ranks
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Unyielding Sentinel - Points spent: 11
Core1 Unyielding
Tier1 Divine Energy Resistance
Tier1 Brace for Impact - 3 Ranks
Tier1 Attack and Defend - 2 Ranks
Core2 Ward Against Darkness
Tier2 Renewal
Core3 Stand Against the Tide
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I dont Like gimps

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wondering if it isnt smorter to just go down the rabbit hole and go THF so stunning blow etc give even Moar cc
what even is dmg at this Point :D
 

Mary

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Sap is really good in heroics; Sap has no save, so you can sap a champ and leave it while you burn down other stuff etc, its a very good cc to lock down 1 mob.
In epics I may not need it anymore so I might lesser sap away for either tactics or focus or specialization once I hit 20;

Also, originally i thought Id use orchid blossom as my epic strike, but quick cuts from fury is very strong, so I changed my build slightly dropping shadowdancer and picked up the epic strike from Fury. Really strong so far in low epics. Using GMoF mantle for knockdown immunity + other stuff, and the HOT from US.
 

Mary

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Do you just use the summoned weapons?
Yeah, from 1-32 will use the conjured feysword. If I had the fey raid shortsword I'd use it bc I could slot it with filigrees etc and a stone - I may craft a dinosaur shortsword with ice horn for the freeze etc. but since this is just a first impressions build I'm still ironing things out - but so far the short sword bursts fine my dmg in heroics was massive - in epics with quick cuts its been massive too.
 

Aerendil

Member
To be fair, a blind, one-armed character could do just fine 1-20 with FI. It's just that strong. Short sword solves all incorporeal and ooze-related problems for life, and GCS just trivializes 90% of content. Even Strimtom as a joke, levelled a Charisma Ranger using FI, and flew through the content. I'm not sure it's a good benchmark for how powerful DL is though.

I'm also curious to see how THF, TWF, or SWF with bastard sword / Daxe builds go with Dragonlord, as well as various splashes.
 
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RayRay Ramone

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To be fair, a blind, one-armed character could do just fine 1-20 with FI. It's just that strong. Short sword solves all incorporeal and ooze-related problems for life, and GCS just trivializes 90% of content. Even Strimtom as a joke, levelled a Charisma Ranger using FI, and flew through the content. I'm not sure it's a good benchmark for how powerful DL is though.

I'm also curious to see how THF, TWF, or SWF with bastard sword / Daxe builds go with Dragonlord, as well as various splashes.
I'm currently running a pure DL (lvl 17 right now) using b-sword SWF. Crit is 17-20/x4. Because of all the Ravager tree bugs, I'm only running the improved power attack enhancement from that tree and have prioritized the DL and Sentinel trees.

Performance is roughly on par with a regular fighter, and if they fix the ravager tree, it will probably dps somewhere between fighter and barbie.

The big difference is the Dragon Roar enhancement. It works on almost every mob. My tactic is to run up to a mob group, hit roar and then kill them all before they come out of daze or cower. If I was THF, I'm sure my damage output would be higher, but haven't checked that on this life.

And the displacement enhancement is insane.
 

mikarddo

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Its defo gonna be worse than fighter without a doubt dps wise? No Kensei no deeps. It wouldnt make sense if DL had kensei like deeps cuz its more of a supportive fighter

That may depend on the situation. DL has the ability to stun for helpless damage or many different types of mobs with an added +20% helpless damage. Depending on the situation that may be more dps than Kensai.

DL also gets the str trance for more dps and has full +2 crit mult.
 

I dont Like gimps

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That may depend on the situation. DL has the ability to stun for helpless damage or many different types of mobs with an added +20% helpless damage. Depending on the situation that may be more dps than Kensai.

DL also gets the str trance for more dps and has full +2 crit mult.
okay fair for r10´questing it might come close (idk how high u can Push Str trance lol)
 

Hegemon

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Sorry for the noob question... As a CHA-based character, what feat/enhancement gives you the CHA bonuses to hit and damage?

Edit: OK, I see it comes from the illusory weapon in FI. But the conjured weapon is a short sword... Do the Vistani skills work for short swords?
 
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glass_jaws

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Sorry for the noob question... As a CHA-based character, what feat/enhancement gives you the CHA bonuses to hit and damage?

Edit: OK, I see it comes from the illusory weapon in FI. But the conjured weapon is a short sword... Do the Vistani skills work for short swords?
There are a ton of "generic things" in Vistani, like the PRR/MRR, haste boost, doublestrike/doubleshot, etc that work for anyone. It is a very solid addition to a lot of melee builds.
 

Silvorn

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Playing this as a human with my son playing a dark hunter dagger build. So far we just pretty much mow through everything we run. CC stuff and most of it is dead before it can do anything. Early levels damage seemed pretty slow due to no AOE.
 

Scrag

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I have done variations on this build a few times now based on feat selection, not on fey weapon. It seems a fairly standard high success ratio option, sprinkle with flavor.
 

Scrag

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Sorry for the noob question... As a CHA-based character, what feat/enhancement gives you the CHA bonuses to hit and damage?

Edit: OK, I see it comes from the illusory weapon in FI. But the conjured weapon is a short sword... Do the Vistani skills work for short swords?
PDK also gives cha tohit damage as well, plus bonus tactics and damage.

I do this with ignition because that sword is bonkers.
 

Silvorn

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I skipped sap and grabbed precision instead. Duoing with a character that has AE attacks. Seems to work. Not running high difficulty just doing racial past lives.
 

Elminster

Sage of Shadowdale
Anyone tried DragonLord as a pure tank? Foes that even work or is it vastly inferior to paladina or stalwart fighters?
 

Scrag

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Anyone tried DragonLord as a pure tank? Foes that even work or is it vastly inferior to paladina or stalwart fighters?
I am. Took improved shield mastery, taking perfect and specialty shield mastery, tactics, heavy armor mastery, and thf -> greater + perfect. Right now I am super tanky.

Downside? I don't have that awesome self heal that fighters get. I need a healbot or something. I am sturdy enough to be completely overwhelmed by enemies and fight my way through with pathetic damage. I have high confidence in this long term.

I am heavy in stalwart and 41 in dlord, with a smattering in pdk.
 

Elminster

Sage of Shadowdale
I am. Took improved shield mastery, taking perfect and specialty shield mastery, tactics, heavy armor mastery, and thf -> greater + perfect. Right now I am super tanky.

Downside? I don't have that awesome self heal that fighters get. I need a healbot or something. I am sturdy enough to be completely overwhelmed by enemies and fight my way through with pathetic damage. I have high confidence in this long term.

I am heavy in stalwart and 41 in dlord, with a smattering in pdk.
Interesting. But don't all fighters including DL get Second Wind automatically? or am I misreading how they get sec wind...?

Also, your moves on Epic Destinies? Going all in Leg Dreadnought and sentinel?
 
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