DRAGON LORD CHARISMA BUILD U72

FVSHasBeenEvenMoreGutted

FVSHasBeenEvenMoreGutted

If you read my posts you have already lost
i see many problems with this build, as it is called a "damage lord"
  • first off, drow is a terrible race no matter what. any other cha race would be better if u just want cha (and aasimar, SDK, razorclaw, and horc would do way more damage with some racial points)
  • I am confused about this build. is this an endgame build or is this a hardcore leveling build? seems fine for hardcore, but cap seems not so good
  • you take the tactics feats, but no improved sunder? improved sunder is very good
  • you call it a "dps" build and take t5 shadowdancer. t5 shadowdancer is terrible (mantle is alright for surviving low reaper)
  • you take 1 rank of voice of fury, which is useless without 3rd rank for the heal
  • you take sap. why not take improved trip instead? better for heriocs by far
  • t5 dread is 10x better than SD, and I don't even see dread at all which is confusing as its the tactics/action boost tree
  • scion of astral plane? you arent centered, are you? if you are, why? you arent any monk or grandmaster of flowers
  • you take elusive target. why? its a tank feat, not a dps feat. legendary toughness is probably better as it reduces all damage by giving extra hp
  • you take stalwart defender instead of vkf on a dps because ?????????? VKF is an amazing tree for dps. stalwart is a "pull aggro off tank and kill whole party" tree
  • you take greater color spray. on a melee. that is a fighter. that is a serious problem
  • small nit pick, but weapon focus/speacialization are not needed on dragonlord. improved trip, improved sunder (and their pre reqs), or precision
  • this is a dps build that isn't raging without precision? good luck hitting mobs at cap
  • shortswords are not good at cap. i get the build is for easy weapons (and shadowblades), but daggers or kukris with VKF will be a million times better for "dps"
I probably missed something, but hopefully you can shed some light on my confusions
 
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Scrag

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Elminster said:
Interesting. But don't all fighters including DL get Second Wind automatically? or am I misreading how they get sec wind...?

Also, your moves on Epic Destinies? Going all in Leg Dreadnought and sentinel?
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This is the third time I have played, and the first time I some how missed it in my feat list.

Never mind, I am happy with sustain!

38 in dreadnought, 23 in crusader, 4 in gmof. Crusader saves me a feat and gets me improved sunder, gmof gets me 6 stun.

I am loathe to take improved sunder as a feat, as I get some nifty things from the cap in crusader. Goal is crowd control + tankiness. If I went all in on sentinel, I would have to pick up improved sunder. Unsure if I want to swing that.
 
glass_jaws

glass_jaws

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Scrag said:
I am. Took improved shield mastery, taking perfect and specialty shield mastery, tactics, heavy armor mastery, and thf -> greater + perfect. Right now I am super tanky.

Downside? I don't have that awesome self heal that fighters get. I need a healbot or something. I am sturdy enough to be completely overwhelmed by enemies and fight my way through with pathetic damage. I have high confidence in this long term.

I am heavy in stalwart and 41 in dlord, with a smattering in pdk.
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Did you multiclass or something? Dragonlords get second wind just like fighters, so not sure what you would be missing?
 
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Scrag

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glass_jaws said:
Did you multiclass or something? Dragonlords get second wind just like fighters, so not sure what you would be missing?
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Yeah I just didnt see it in the feat list. I looked a few times, and just didn't see it. :/

Pure 20 dlord.
 
The Nameless One

The Nameless One

What can change the nature of a man ?
From a cursory glance of the tree. I honestly think just sticking with 20 DL is best overall balance between survivability and damage.

Whoever made this class was hellbent on designing a perfect melee archetype woth solid DPS, solid heals/survivability, and boatloads of tactics and even solid group buffs.

It's such a complete class that I loathe going multi-class on it. It's just soooooo good from the get-go.

Discalimer: It's almost certainly going to get nerfed. I have no ifea why SSG has this policy of giving somehing nice and taking it away later, it's such a bad way to manage player interest vs. game balance. But I guess it is what it is.
 
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Refutor

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Mary said:
Fury of the Wild 22 (Quick Cuts is our epic strike that allows us on a SWF to do a whirlwind 360 attack /6 seconds)
Core1 Die Hard
Tier1 Strength or Swiftness: Quick Cutter - 3 Ranks
Tier1 Savage Take Down - 3 Ranks
Core2 Die Harder
Tier2 Primal Scream
Core3 Die Harderest
Tier3 Embrace the Pain - 3 Ranks
Tier3 Fury Selector: Spirit of the Beast - 3 Ranks
Tier3 Wild Weapons: Doublestrike - 3 Ranks
Tier4 The Voice of Fury
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if you are that far in fury, why not take unquenchable rage?
 
Mary

Mary

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Silvorn said:
Why take Familiar's Flourish I if you are using the summoned short sword? For archery?
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the familiar flourish 1 and 2 if you can afford them just let you use other weaps if you wanted with cha to hit and dmg; would be up to you and your build points and your gear - i just use the fey sword and you dont need them for that, but if you wanted to say carry a golem beater, or something thats' flourish 1/2
 
Mary

Mary

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FVSHasBeenEvenMoreGutted said:
i see many problems with this build, as it is called a "damage lord"
  • first off, drow is a terrible race no matter what. any other cha race would be better if u just want cha (and aasimar, SDK, razorclaw, and horc would do way more damage with some racial points)
  • I am confused about this build. is this an endgame build or is this a hardcore leveling build? seems fine for hardcore, but cap seems not so good
  • you take the tactics feats, but no improved sunder? improved sunder is very good
  • you call it a "dps" build and take t5 shadowdancer. t5 shadowdancer is terrible (mantle is alright for surviving low reaper)
  • you take 1 rank of voice of fury, which is useless without 3rd rank for the heal
  • you take sap. why not take improved trip instead? better for heriocs by far
  • t5 dread is 10x better than SD, and I don't even see dread at all which is confusing as its the tactics/action boost tree
  • scion of astral plane? you arent centered, are you? if you are, why? you arent any monk or grandmaster of flowers
  • you take elusive target. why? its a tank feat, not a dps feat. legendary toughness is probably better as it reduces all damage by giving extra hp
  • you take stalwart defender instead of vkf on a dps because ?????????? VKF is an amazing tree for dps. stalwart is a "pull aggro off tank and kill whole party" tree
  • you take greater color spray. on a melee. that is a fighter. that is a serious problem
  • small nit pick, but weapon focus/speacialization are not needed on dragonlord. improved trip, improved sunder (and their pre reqs), or precision
  • this is a dps build that isn't raging without precision? good luck hitting mobs at cap
  • shortswords are not good at cap. i get the build is for easy weapons (and shadowblades), but daggers or kukris with VKF will be a million times better for "dps"
I probably missed something, but hopefully you can shed some light on my confusions
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why would i bro, you clearly know everything already and are just looking for pvp
 
Mary

Mary

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I will add here i think people are misundertanding our use of colorspray - we use it in heroics for cc, once we hit epics we stop using it; we aren't gearing for it; you could - by all means have at it - but the dragon roar is enough - and its not helping telling me the short sword sucks - did you not read what i wrote ? This is a charisma based fighter - its a niche flavor build - we use the fey shortsword as a meme bc its fun. SMH what happened to this forum its like i post something and its chum in the water of a piranah tank.
 
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Tuxedomanwashere

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Hobgoblin said:
how useful is sap?
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Essentially as Mary describes below:
Mary said:
Sap is really good in heroics; Sap has no save, so you can sap a champ and leave it while you burn down other stuff etc, its a very good cc to lock down 1 mob.
In epics I may not need it anymore so I might lesser sap away for either tactics or focus or specialization once I hit 20;
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One thing to note with Sap is that even though it breaks on damage (and thus the likelihood of benefitting from the full duration is reduced), it still counts as an interrupt for the monsters' attack sequences. I remember using it on my tactics fighter (before DL came out) for those moments where my other abilities were on cooldown and I wanted to park an extra mob in the corner or for right before a wind-up occurs, etc. That said, I'm of the mind that it's not useful enough for most builds to warrant taking unless you have an abundance of feats.
 
droid327

droid327

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Mary said:
I will add here i think people are misundertanding our use of colorspray - we use it in heroics for cc, once we hit epics we stop using it; we aren't gearing for it; you could - by all means have at it - but the dragon roar is enough - and its not helping telling me the short sword sucks - did you not read what i wrote ? This is a charisma based fighter - its a niche flavor build - we use the fey shortsword as a meme bc its fun. SMH what happened to this forum its like i post something and its chum in the water of a piranah tank.
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I mean tbf theres a difference between a flavor build and a joke/meme build. And nowhere in your OP did i see you actually say the build sucks on purpose

Though if you wanted to make it a little more viable you can use Elyd at 20... Still piercing, still Cha to hit/dmg innate, but can take sentience and better crit profile
 
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