endgame

[Solarpower]

R10 raids would like a word. Also, soloing R10 quests is a pretty reasonable end-game if you don't raid.

And what will you do after ? Oh, you'll reincarnate and start all over again !
DDO doesn't have end-game, the reincarnation system is agains it ! And the whole game's build around endless reincarnations.

 

[Ying]

And the whole game's build around endless reincarnations.

Yep, DDO is a TReadmill.

 

[Smelt]

Dragging this thread back to the OP's original question and away from the "eternal should InQ get nerfed and if so how hard and when" question. Your "best end game" build/class is an unanswerable question as others have hinted at. Back before some of the caster nerfs everyone raved about how Sorc, cold Druid and FvS were the ultimate leveling classes and probably all you could want at end game too. A few people said Swf paladin or Frenzy barb was the way to go, especially if you needed a change from caster. Unfortunately for me Sorc, Druid and Fvs are my least favourite classes to play. I can neither build a desent one nor play one worth a damn. Pure monk, fighter, bard, warlock and rogue on the other hand suit me down to the ground.

The best Idea maybe to go the the class lives making your own build for each class, then trying a posted build for each class and finally using what you have learned to build your own new interpretation of your favourite classes and see how you get on.

 

[Teh_Troll]

Dragging this thread back to the OP's original question and away from the "eternal should InQ get nerfed and if so how hard and when" question. Your "best end game" build/class is an unanswerable question as others have hinted at. Back before some of the caster nerfs everyone raved about how Sorc, cold Druid and FvS were the ultimate leveling classes and probably all you could want at end game too. A few people said Swf paladin or Frenzy barb was the way to go, especially if you needed a change from caster. Unfortunately for me Sorc, Druid and Fvs are my least favourite classes to play. I can neither build a desent one nor play one worth a damn. Pure monk, fighter, bard, warlock and rogue on the other hand suit me down to the ground.

The best Idea maybe to go the the class lives making your own build for each class, then trying a posted build for each class and finally using what you have learned to build your own new interpretation of your favourite classes and see how you get on.

I'm trying to play a pure nuker sorc right now. I didn't know that level of disappointment could be achieved without having sex with me.

 

[Bjond]

The best Idea maybe to go the the class lives making your own build for each class

If you want to speed up the process, you could try something I did way back midway through my first life. I'd hit the old "epic wall" and needed build help to break through it.

I stopped leveling my first character and made a whole bunch of Iconic trial/test builds. Iconics are born at L15 and with semi-decent gear. You can actually play them the instant they hit the ground. So, I took 'em out and tried to solo Elite or R1 Disciples of Shar.

It's a lot harder than it sounds. It has all the various things you might need to deal with spread out through the quest -- casters, mini-bosses, traps, ranged, melee, triggered and dynamic spawn, hidden areas, etc etc..

I found several styles I liked and that could do the job (and many that could not). The only downside is that it's not a free-to-play method. I got the Iconics mostly from expansion buys. The other route is to snag them directly from the store.

I'm not sure there's a F2P equivalent. Even if you buy veteran status for your account, you can only create L7 characters and that's not really enough levels or AP to experiment much. The L7 starter gear is quite poor, too -- nowhere near as complete as an Iconic set.

 

[Solarpower]

I'm trying to play a pure nuker sorc right now. I didn't know that level of disappointment could be achieved without having sex with me.

I like pure Sorc... when we can, ahem, meet ?

 

[Jasparius]

this.

Inquisitive is universally considered one of "EZPZ OP builds".

I played inq ONCE and I'm not touching it again, not because game is to easy with it but because it annoying build, Great Crossbow build was more fun to play

I tried Inquis and just didnt enjoy it. Bow is much more fun and Im looking forward to the buff coming soon.

 

[Jasparius]

And what will you do after ? Oh, you'll reincarnate and start all over again !
DDO doesn't have end-game, the reincarnation system is agains it ! And the whole game's build around endless reincarnations.

Friends of mine are on their final archetype life and have all the other lives. They will then pick a build they like and go to cap and run high reaper dungeons and presumably LH and R1 raids.

But will continue work on their alts accruing past lives. Because a 1% boost every 3 weeks is the win.

 

[Nickodeamous]

I feel like every 10 days somebody that has never posted (not knocking it, this is ok) asks what the best builds are, whats OP, etc...yada yada yada. This becomes another DDO hampster wheel (the forums themselves) that folks hop on and post about OP builds, how they are OP, how they are not OP, etc... lol. I think it's best to try everything and see what you like the best! Just have fun

 

[Jhml]

Little reason to splash Rogue 2 when Shadowdancer provides Evasion in the 3rd core. Many end-game melee/ranged builds spend at least 13 AP in SD. Traps can be bypassed/avoided without disarming them. Only reason to do traps is the XP bonus.

You get imp evasion with evasion base, well worth it. Ability to disarm paired with watchful eye is such a qol-thing, also no need to memorize the trap locations or produce jump-fu, that I wouldn't change them for anything.

 

[Jeronimo]

I still want to see this broken inquisitive build everyone's talking about. Don't give me this "but if I post it they'll nerf it" nonsense either. Since you want it nerfed, you'd post it.

I'm betting I also know why we don't see demonstrations of its uberness in game as well.

If they put the entire ranged playstyle in the crushinator a second time because 1-2 safety-perch and destroy builds are "ruining people's fun" the "I told you so" that follows will cause 20d6 psychic damage with no save.

There still hasn't been any top end game inquis build posted here on the forums. However, the Fvs 17/Arty 3 build was detailed out on the DDO discord a while ago:

https://discord.com/channels/1253053520488300626/1372996036091711498

 

[Vua]

It's not though in any specific format, and while replying back with vague claims you won't link or post it in specificity, which is the point. This claim of it being generically OP is now making its way into every thread, with zero references to what it is interacting with or tactics used.

And yes, we understand why, on both counts.

You posted in a thread where video was provided last month.

 

[Jasparius]

There still hasn't been any top end game inquis build posted here on the forums. However, the Fvs 17/Arty 3 build was detailed out on the DDO discord a while ago:

https://discord.com/channels/1253053520488300626/1372996036091711498

The top guilds were all using 17 FVS/3 Arty Eladrin.

 

[rabidfox]

The top guilds were all using 17 FVS/3 Arty Eladrin.

That split is one of the better inquis setups. Easy to get stat to dam, trance, heals, death pact, high burst from NHB & NHB + Shiradi epic moment. I found it meh when NHB wasn't in use, but for things like DoV where it's a DPS race to burn heads during their 30s uptime, they serve a nice purpose.

 

[Jasparius]

That split is one of the better inquis setups. Easy to get stat to dam, trance, heals, death pact, high burst from NHB & NHB + Shiradi epic moment. I found it meh when NHB wasn't in use, but for things like DoV where it's a DPS race to burn heads during their 30s uptime, they serve a nice purpose.

I was in a short man LH TON with maybe 8 people and with 3 of those Inquis the dragon went down in maybe a minute. In full group pugs it generally takes 2 to 4 minutes. The burst damage is quite insane.

 

[Bjond]

That split is one of the better inquis setups. Easy to get stat to dam, trance, heals, death pact

You end up sacrificing dps on the 17 FVS 3 Art (loose some DS taking favored xbow), but it's got a kitchen sink's worth of convenience, including leaps and fort debuffing on top of what you listed. There's so much there that it would prolly make a great first-time newbie build.

For more focused DPS, there's either 15 PLD 4 Art 1 FVS or 18 Rogue 1 PLD 1 FVS, depending mostly on if you want a debuffer/sustained style in your EDs (rogue with T4 SD) or burst (PLD using FS strike). There are variations, too, but iirc, there's not quite enough AP to milk all the DS from 14 rogue 2 pld 4 art and pick up the KOTC trance and grab cha-to-dam from FI and deflect arrows from VKF .. (there's a deceptively lot of "and" AP in the non-FVS splits).

 

[rabidfox]

You end up sacrificing dps on the 17 FVS 3 Art (loose some DS taking favored xbow), but it's got a kitchen sink's worth of convenience, including leaps and fort debuffing on top of what you listed. There's so much there that it would prolly make a great first-time newbie build.

For more focused DPS, there's either 15 PLD 4 Art 1 FVS or 18 Rogue 1 PLD 1 FVS, depending mostly on if you want a debuffer/sustained style in your EDs (rogue with T4 SD) or burst (PLD using FS strike). There are variations, too, but iirc, there's not quite enough AP to milk all the DS from 14 rogue 2 pld 4 art and pick up the KOTC trance and grab cha-to-dam from FI and deflect arrows from VKF .. (there's a deceptively lot of "and" AP in the non-FVS splits).

100% there's better builds for raw damage. And there's also inquis builds that'll just limp a person to cap while letting them avoid playing a class.

 

[MrBill]

Serious question here about the OP Inquis and about endgame.

When everyone talks "End Game" what do you mean. Is it just lvl 34 or is it being a completionist with full raid gear?

When people say Inquis should be nerfed, at what lvl are you talking about. Again is it just anytime lvl 1 or is it that if you are said completionist with full raid gear?

I'm a second life'r and have tried Inquis several times but it never seems better then my bow build. I think I'm decently equipped (named sets) but no raid gear. So I'm just wondering what the base line is for the OP inquis build.

Also as another posted said, no one seems to have offered any build proof of this OP build

 

[Bjond]

When everyone talks "End Game" what do you mean. Is it just lvl 34 or is it being a completionist with full raid gear?

Typically, it means higher than pug-difficulty raiding and/or high-skull RXP'ing at cap. IMHO, you can actually experience "end game" on a first life character, but almost certainly not as a new player.

When people say Inquis should be nerfed, at what lvl are you talking about.

I mean (and suspect others, too) that at-cap it needs nerfing for everyone. Not sub-cap or only for high-rxp/PL characers. My reason is that the level of DPS it brings is silly for the investment.

I'm a second life'r and have tried Inquis several times but it never seems better then my bow build.

I suspect you feel like bow beats INQ because of the bigger numbers. The reason INQ wins is because it has MORE numbers.

Also as another posted said, no one seems to have offered any build proof of this OP build

No detailed INQ build post has about 3 reasons:

• INQ doesn't need details, it's literally 41 INQ+DS
• Good build posts take a LOT of effort
• One drop of OP can put SSG into a nerfing frenzy

SSG literally never does balanced "nerfs" or "buffs". That would require testing.

Instead, they wait for an "OP" build post, or a loud collective forum whine, and then lob nerf grenades at nearby code until they kill whatever build feature triggered them.

Why does SSG "punish" people for excitedly sharing fun builds? Because they actually see it as a viable way to test their code (they call it "wait and see").

The prospect of triggering a nerfing frenzy scares the forum fish. Scared fish don't post builds.

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BTW, it could be your INQ only feels like it's underperforming (more small numbers v few big ones) or it could be that it actually is due to play style or build choices. A strong INQ build in combat has 140+ DS, 400+ RP, and 9~15 NHB action boost charges (pretty much uses NHB on CD).

If you want a gear goal, one of the strongest upgrades you can do is to create 210K sentient gems. It takes a couple hours a week for a few months to create one ransacking IOD purples. It's dull. Helps to watch Netflix on 2nd monitor.