Fix traps damage in epic Three Barrel Cove (3BC)
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Ahpuch
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The Ghost trap can also be circumvented for 10 seconds using the lever (need to unlock, gets 1 use). I don't see this design as a problem. Putting a key with the trolls so even if you can't pick you can circumvent the trap would be advisable.
In most cases traps should be more deadly but also circumventable so a trapper is not required. You can go around a deadly trap but you may need to fight more mobs, OR go out of of the most direct path to pull a lever, or successfully execute a jumping manouver. Disabling the traps should save time and damage but not be required. Ghosts fits this model for the most part.
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Evendor_Avarince
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If intentional design decision of yesteryear now qualifies as misbehaving, wake me up when we decide the loot tables of myth drannor are misbehaving.
wish I could give you more precise but there is one small section on the right side when you are dropping down the spikes that is way different. My character has a 68 save and I was watching the numbers as I fell through and it was save save save save save and then 19 + 68 failure which killed me
GrizzlyOso
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Weird, I run 3bc epic all the time, I never am a trapper, I always finish, and I never die.
So it would seem it’s not required at all.
These traps are great , wish there were more like them. Have to actually think for 4 seconds about them.
Or have 100+ lives...
Xgya
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This is true for just about EVERY floor-spawning blade trap in 3BC (the ones that have a sharp flat blade go up and down from the floor).
All the ones in Prove Your Worth (the ones that appear between floors while you're riding the elevator up), for sure, as well as the ones in Ghost of a Chance (that's a very big set of traps that's sometimes unavoidable even if you have a Misty Step to go over them), and the ones inside the airships in Precious Cargo.
GrizzlyOso
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It certainly doesn’t hurt, I can be more careless on my main. My alts still manage, somehow.
Ghost traps are completely avoidable with any winged action to respond to above poster.
Wertle Wertle
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Doesn't need 'fixing' IIMO. Traps are already little more than xp boxes for the majority of players I have group with in that last 6 months- most people run straight through them without even slowing down - if they are so weak as to make no difference you might as well remove them from the game entirely.
Purr
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The game is balanced around having different characters who can do different things. D&D is meant to be a heist film like Oceans 11. If you want a character that can do everything, rogue 2 splash is pretty easy.
Actually at both sides. You should be able to exit and enter before disarming/arming the traps...
IMHO:
I believe the trap system of DDO even if not perfect, it is a great system and it is very very enjoyable!
What I think is missing, is warnings on some dungeons for the new and returning players.
90% of the DDO players know the dungeons by heart, and zerg them knowingly.
The rest 10% get frustrated because they think that they should be zerging the dungeon. But that is not the case, it takes time to start zerging and if you are not playing for years I guess you should be warned!
Tough Dungeon Example:
I will give a light on traps dungeon as an example: Tame the Flames. How many of you died trying to zerg it on R1 or even on E while you are on level (6-8)
. I characteristically remember the person that introduced me to DDO and a hard-core Rx player to do the dungeon on E saying we only want the favor here .
It is a nasty little dungeon where the damn fire elementals don't really die. It has ambushes, nasty monsters and environmental damage.
Zerging is not an option unless you know by heart the locations to be careful, the monsters to kill and the buffs to have prepared (further than the obvious fire resistance/protection)
Solution Suggestion:
I would like to suggest a solution to the frustration problem, which is a general problem for new and returning players (me being both new and returning
).
We require a Comprehensive and Short Warning Guide per dungeon.
Possibly something like a minor spoiler tooltip at each dungeon entrance.
The kind of thing that:
which should vary and mention in more dungeons a warning.
For example for the 3bc Ghost of Chance dungeon: A Deadly Traps Await you Warning...
I believe the trap system of DDO even if not perfect, it is a great system and it is very very enjoyable!
What I think is missing, is warnings on some dungeons for the new and returning players.
90% of the DDO players know the dungeons by heart, and zerg them knowingly.
The rest 10% get frustrated because they think that they should be zerging the dungeon. But that is not the case, it takes time to start zerging and if you are not playing for years I guess you should be warned!
Tough Dungeon Example:
I will give a light on traps dungeon as an example: Tame the Flames. How many of you died trying to zerg it on R1 or even on E while you are on level (6-8)
. I characteristically remember the person that introduced me to DDO and a hard-core Rx player to do the dungeon on E saying we only want the favor here .It is a nasty little dungeon where the damn fire elementals don't really die. It has ambushes, nasty monsters and environmental damage.
Zerging is not an option unless you know by heart the locations to be careful, the monsters to kill and the buffs to have prepared (further than the obvious fire resistance/protection)
Solution Suggestion:
I would like to suggest a solution to the frustration problem, which is a general problem for new and returning players (me being both new and returning
).We require a Comprehensive and Short Warning Guide per dungeon.
Possibly something like a minor spoiler tooltip at each dungeon entrance.
The kind of thing that:
- On your 1st run you should look at it but it would be a small spoiler.
- On your 2nd-4th run you should certainly look it out and get a fresher.
- On your Nth run you will completely ignore.
which should vary and mention in more dungeons a warning.
For example for the 3bc Ghost of Chance dungeon: A Deadly Traps Await you Warning...
The game as a whole needs different things for different people. Some quests where a trapper is almost mandarory is good for the game. It's their time to shine.
Those quests just shouldnt be a big hurdle for basic QoL loot or flagging. So people can opt out if they really cant get a trapper.
Its not like these quests have important loot, flag for an important raid or give an endgame saga with stuff you need to farm.
Those quests just shouldnt be a big hurdle for basic QoL loot or flagging. So people can opt out if they really cant get a trapper.
Its not like these quests have important loot, flag for an important raid or give an endgame saga with stuff you need to farm.
Ahpuch
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I wouldn't go with "almost mandatory". I would go with "optimal" or "most efficient". D&D should always strive for multiple paths to success depending on the tools available. Something SSG has sometimes done well and sometimes not.
on a mower in early 90s it had the warning do not attempt to stop blades with hands feet or genitals........I swear, some of y'all are the reason they had to add "Do not insert into any body orifice" warnings on curling irons...
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Lotoc
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the ghost of a chance traps are definitely out of line - there is no genuinely safe path, the save is 80 in mid epics so even with evasion you'll likely take a hit, the damage is obscene at around 1600 per blade and they overlap their areas so if you're hit by one you'll be hit by multiple.