FROM D TO S TIER - MY MONK THROWER (u73.1 pure monk thrower)

[kemton]

I’m doing an Eladrin version of this. I level as stick and rearranged feats so I take WWA + Swords to Plowshares at 6(instead of shot on the run and 10k stars) and will feat swap at cap. Stick levels super fast, and I really like the flexibility of Eladrin for both defensive and offensive options at cap. While leveling I picked up nightshield, displacement and vigor(racial comp). I have 8 step charges and this fills in the gap until you hit 12 and the dodge is nice. I mostly lvl in the cha season for the dodge with plans to use both that and the SA buff depending on scenario at cap.

I do wonder why your wis is so low. I think each wis = 1/2 a RP, more if you are lining up burst buffs.

Also I think 8% doubleshot and 4 dodge cap is better than 6 SA + 5 RP right? Or maybe even Arborea? I guess I should do the math on this.

 

[Christhemiss]

I do wonder why your wis is so low. I think each wis = 1/2 a RP, more if you are lining up burst buffs.

didnt do wis swaps and it wasnt the priority for my gearset. optimally you have a full swap set but thats just too much work imo

Also I think 8% doubleshot and 4 dodge cap is better than 6 SA + 5 RP right? Or maybe even Arborea? I guess I should do the math on this.

no, the SA dice is the best

 

[Hobgoblin]

its closer with the rp from arb but still sa betta

 

[kemton]

its closer with the rp from arb but still sa betta

In that case the Eladrin SA must be superior to anything else?

 

[Fisto Mk I]

In that case the Eladrin SA must be superior to anything else?

Yea. And you can split to 12lvl DH for 12 more SA... if wanna...

 

[kemton]

I assume the doubleshot is w/ the 10K stars buff active? If so how come you don't count the Shadow Double buff? Otherwise I'm trying to figure out how I'm missing 100 doubleshot.

 

[Oliphant]

I assume the doubleshot is w/ the 10K stars buff active? If so how come you don't count the Shadow Double buff? Otherwise I'm trying to figure out how I'm missing 100 doubleshot.

Are you counting the invisible extra DS you get for each DEX up to 100 DEX for Shuriken?

 

[Oliphant]

Pretty bananas getting 400 DS with 600 RP!

 

[kemton]

I'm just going by character sheet. Standing outside of reaper 0 buffs, I have 84% doubleshot, only really missing profane afaik. 102 dex so technically that's 284%?

Missing 3% profane doubleshot, and 1% enhancement doubleshot(8% augment vs 9% item) due to gearing choices but I have the curse 2% to offset.

With Shadow Double + 10K stars + reaper boost active I have 464% doubleshot.

For ranged power I'd also be curious what the breakdown is. I have 301 standing, 24 reaper, 75 archer's focus, 30 boost, 70 10K stars, 40 trick shot. I'm missing maybe 10-20 from non-rare/incorrect sentient filigrees. Maybe another 30 from pots? I guess that gets me close to 590 but still not quite 600...

 

[Spook]

The build takes improved archers focus which is 125 RP at full stacks (+50 from af alone)

 

[Christhemiss]

I'm just going by character sheet. Standing outside of reaper 0 buffs, I have 84% doubleshot, only really missing profane afaik. 102 dex so technically that's 284%?

Missing 3% profane doubleshot, and 1% enhancement doubleshot(8% augment vs 9% item) due to gearing choices but I have the curse 2% to offset.

With Shadow Double + 10K stars + reaper boost active I have 464% doubleshot.

For ranged power I'd also be curious what the breakdown is. I have 301 standing, 24 reaper, 75 archer's focus, 30 boost, 70 10K stars, 40 trick shot. I'm missing maybe 10-20 from non-rare/incorrect sentient filigrees. Maybe another 30 from pots? I guess that gets me close to 590 but still not quite 600...

use a deadly rain swap for 20 more rp when an action boost is active. the rp does not include pots

 

[kemton]

Ah I forgot about improved archers focus from ninja spy enhancement. I find the deadly rain swap is a net loss in dps. Even trying to keep trick shot up in difficult and I mainly leverage only as part of defensive maneuvers in fights vs prepping for dmg, at least in r10s.

Still wondering about double shot maybe I’m missing something.

 

[SpartanKiller13]

Ah I forgot about improved archers focus from ninja spy enhancement. I find the deadly rain swap is a net loss in dps. Even trying to keep trick shot up in difficult and I mainly leverage only as part of defensive maneuvers in fights vs prepping for dmg, at least in r10s.

Still wondering about double shot maybe I’m missing something.

Easiest trick I found for Trick Shot is to use it right before hitting active attacks, you can get Pluck/Arrow/Hunt's End off all boosted without too much hassle esp at the start of a given fight.

 

[kemton]

Posting eladrin version for reference:


Character name:
Classes: 20 Monk, E10, L4
Race: Eladrin Alignment: Lawful Neutral

Start Tome Final HP: 1055 Displacement: 0%
Str: 8 8 19 Unc Rng: -10 Incorp: 0%
Dex: 20 8 43 PRR: 42 AC: 125
Con: 16 8 28 MRR: 15 +Healing Amp: 45
Int: 8 8 19 Dodge: 23/29 -Healing Amp: 0
Wis: 16 8 28 Fort: 15% Repair Amp: 0
Cha: 8 8 21 SR: 30 BAB: 20
DR: 10/Epic
Immunities: Natural Poison, Sleep, Disease, Spawn effects of Undead

Class and Feat Selection

Level	Class	Feats
1	Monk(1)	Standard: Point Blank Shot
		Monk Bonus: Dodge
2	Monk(2)	Monk Bonus: Mobility
3	Monk(3)	Standard: Precision
		Monk Philosophy: Path of Harmonious Balance: Fists of Light
4	Monk(4)	Dexterity: +1 Level up
5	Monk(5)
6	Monk(6)	Standard: Whirlwind Attack
		Monk Bonus: Ten Thousand Stars
7	Monk(7)
8	Monk(8)	Dexterity: +1 Level up
9	Monk(9)	Standard: Shuriken Expertise
10	Monk(10)
11	Monk(11)
12	Monk(12)	Standard: Precise Shot
		Dexterity: +1 Level up
13	Monk(13)
14	Monk(14)
15	Monk(15)	Standard: Improved Critical: Thrown Weapons
16	Monk(16)	Dexterity: +1 Level up
17	Monk(17)
18	Monk(18)	Standard: Rapid Shot
19	Monk(19)
20	Monk(20)	Dexterity: +1 Level up
21	Epic(1)	Epic Feat: Patience
22	Epic(2)	Epic Destiny Feat: Holy Strike
23	Epic(3)
24	Epic(4)	Epic Feat: Eerie Aim
		Dexterity: +1 Level up
25	Epic(5)	Epic Destiny Feat: Doubleshot
26	Epic(6)
27	Epic(7)	Epic Feat: Overwhelming Critical
28	Epic(8)	Epic Destiny Feat: Embodiment of Law
		Dexterity: +1 Level up
29	Epic(9)
30	Epic(10)	Epic Feat: Trick Shot
		Legendary Feat: Scion of the Astral Plane
31	Legendary(1)	Epic Destiny Feat: Legendary Aim
32	Legendary(2)	Dexterity: +1 Level up
33	Legendary(3)	Epic Feat: Watchful Eye
34	Legendary(4)	Epic Destiny Feat: Titan's Blood

 

[Isilion]

I've levelled to 20 as a stick monk (Elf) and I'm now thinking of TR'ing into this. My question is what shuriken to use? Snowstar all the way? Passve ki enhancing gear only works for melee right??

 

[kemton]

I’d level to cap as stick and then switch to undying age shuriken at cap via an etr if you already picked up too many stick feats if it’s really something you want to try. Shuriken is only good at cap though.

 

[Isilion]

I’d level to cap as stick and then switch to undying age shuriken at cap via an etr if you already picked up too many stick feats if it’s really something you want to try. Shuriken is only good at cap though.

I've done my fair share of stick monk (I like it) but just want to try something different. I'm aware of the consequences and having levelled a bow dark hunter from 1 you'd think I'd had enough self flagellation for the moment, but no lol. I'm tempted by Arrow of Discord in FS for levelling at the expense of SD for some AoE but that'd be something to play around with.

 

[kemton]

You can do both since arrow of discord is not an epic strike. Aoe circles is quite small. Took a lot of effort to clump.

At 20 you should use a lvl 20 shuriken from something like borderlands with sentience if you really want to optimize otherwise you can just use snowstar. Celestial at 23 if you have it.

 

[Isilion]

You can do both since arrow of discord is not an epic strike. Aoe circles is quite small. Took a lot of effort to clump.

At 20 you should use a lvl 20 shuriken from something like borderlands with sentience if you really want to optimize otherwise you can just use snowstar. Celestial at 23 if you have it.

At the expense of GMoF and Shiradi?

I can't see an item called 'Celestial'. Unless you mean 'Celestia' as an offhand weapon?

 

[Fisto Mk I]

At 20 you should use a lvl 20 shuriken from something like borderlands with sentience if you really want to optimize otherwise you can just use snowstar. Celestial at 23 if you have it.

At lvl20 best choice is fully upgraded Alchemical Shuriken with Freezing Ice, +2 Alch DEX and Freezing Gale AoE. No sentience, but at lvl20 it just waste sXp. Next best is ML20 E-Star Shuriken with Spellplague effects. It can accept sentient stone. Next ML24 Thunderforge with 1st Degree burn, next ML26 LGS Shuriken/Ssword.

Unless you mean 'Celestia' as an offhand weapon?

It Celestia, yea, but it not best choice really. Usual choice is Epic Sting for Epic Vulkoor's Chosen set for +2 Artifact CON, DEX and SA dice, but even full upgraded ML20 Alchemical Ssword is better too for second CC like Earthgrab, +2 Alch CON or WIS and second AoE like Acid Torrent.

Celestia is good only with conjunction with Planar Conflux sets, but trinket much better use not for lame outdated Conflux trinkets but for Epic GoMF for Windlasher Ferocity +Raven's Eye sets.