FROM D TO S TIER - MY MONK THROWER (u73.1 pure monk thrower)
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Jack Jarvis Esquire
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Would be good if they just bloody fixed Brighthorn! 
Jack Jarvis Esquire
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Having thought about this, I'll try a using a kama from Threats and crafting affirmation on that. I don't want to give up DA unless I really need to. Thanks for the sound advice as, always Ying. 
Fisto Mk I
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Are you sure it proc from main hand attacks and not from other sources like bolt/cauldron? Native LGS Affirmation have exactly same issue - it proc perfectly off-handed from spellcasting but not from main hand attacks. I don't play DDO currently, but last time when i check it (about 1.5-2 year ago) it don't proc.
Lord Wizard King
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Do you think thrower monk is better then Inquisitive right now when it comes to DPS and soloing stuff?
ReadyPlayer~1
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What's the purpose of Touch of Death/Quivering Palm with a Shuri? Are you swapping to just the Kama momentarily?
Christhemiss
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i dont use qp
touch of death gives 3 hit and damage
Fisto Mk I
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1st provide +3 to Hit/Damage, 2nd do nothing, but it's autogained feat. 8)
Ninjed by TS, lol...
Jack Jarvis Esquire
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Does Ki Bolt proc the Bring Darkness debuff on every shot if you have the First Blood feat?
Fisto Mk I
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Yea. But 10% HP range depleted very fast because bolt also buffs DwM-like procs drastically. 8)
Jack Jarvis Esquire
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Thanks Fisto. I'm not sure what you mean about the 10% HP (you mean the 3x -3 PRR/MMR I guess?) . The debuff is nice but I'm looking more about the making mobs vulnerable to sneak attack as I've got 35 dice to play with there.
Being able to make mobs vulnerable to sneak attack on demand is very nice!
The DWM buff is interesting too. Being greedy, does Bolt affect the acid dot from meltfang too?
I'm not sure what you mean about the 10% HP (you mean the 3x -3 PRR/MMR I guess?) . The debuff is nice but I'm looking more about the making mobs vulnerable to sneak attack as I've got 35 dice to play with there. Being able to make mobs vulnerable to sneak attack on demand is very nice!
The DWM buff is interesting too.
Being greedy, does Bolt affect the acid dot from meltfang too?
Christhemiss
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well you will apply bring darkness when you vorpal, so not worth using ki bolt with the wasted featThanks Fisto.
Being able to make mobs vulnerable to sneak attack on demand is very nice!
The DWM buff is interesting too.
also it doesnt make you sneak attack mobs, it removes sneak attack immunity
Jack Jarvis Esquire
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Hmmm....
Vorpal is 1 in 20 so having it on demand is surely a big improvement?
Text said it makes you vulnerable to sneak attacks. Isn't that like Improved Deception (Which specifically doesn't remove immunity but makes you vulnerable to sneak attack)?
I think I'm going to give this a go.
Vorpal is 1 in 20 so having it on demand is surely a big improvement?
Text said it makes you vulnerable to sneak attacks. Isn't that like Improved Deception (Which specifically doesn't remove immunity but makes you vulnerable to sneak attack)?
I think I'm going to give this a go.
Fisto Mk I
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First Blood proc only for mobs with 90+% HP and have ICD 3 sec, so you need 6 sec to build full stack. Regular mobs can just not have enough HP.
It is, yea, it bread and butter (in)famous Tilo's bolter build. But i don't checked it personally unlike DwM procs.The DWM buff is interesting too.
It not wasted per se, it work perfectly in corresponded builds (splendid for Warlock builds, z.B.), but pure Monk already feat-starved, so yea, it very problematic include it to build. And if you wanna maximize your DwM-like procs, you must use bolt anyway.
It is... if you have free space to include it to your build. 8)
Jack Jarvis Esquire
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Ah, I get what you mean now Fisto about the 10%. Thanks.
Let's assume I can build First Blood into my feat selection at acceptable opportunity cost...
If I lead with a Ki Bolt whilst the target is at 90%+, is the mob then made vulnerable to sneak attacks for 12s via Bring Darkness, without having to wait for a vorpal proc?
(Agree it's of limited value on normal mobs that die fast anyway, but I can see it being useful on red names/reapers.)
If it works like that, then I see that as the biggest benefit. No?
The other stuff is a nice bonus, though not the main benefit given I've not built for Ki Bolt (though got both DWM and the Earth Attunement built in), so I'd not give a feat up for only that. It's about the improved sneak attack procs for me.
Let's assume I can build First Blood into my feat selection at acceptable opportunity cost...
If I lead with a Ki Bolt whilst the target is at 90%+, is the mob then made vulnerable to sneak attacks for 12s via Bring Darkness, without having to wait for a vorpal proc?
(Agree it's of limited value on normal mobs that die fast anyway, but I can see it being useful on red names/reapers.)
If it works like that, then I see that as the biggest benefit. No?
The other stuff is a nice bonus, though not the main benefit given I've not built for Ki Bolt (though got both DWM and the Earth Attunement built in), so I'd not give a feat up for only that. It's about the improved sneak attack procs for me.
Christhemiss
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last i checked, bring darkness is SA immunity while shadowstrike is vulnerability, but someone correct me if im wrong
Jack Jarvis Esquire
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Hey Chris
Wiki has it as...
Bring Darkness: When you roll a natural 20 on a Melee or Ranged attack, you envelop the target in shadow, applying a stack of Darkness.
If you have the feat First Blood, it now triggers off of your harmful spellcasts, and when it procs, it also applies a stack of Darkness. Darkness debuff: You are vulnerable to Sneak Attacks, -3 Spell Resistance, -3 PRR and -3 MRR per stack. Lasts 12 seconds, stacks drop 1 at a time. Max 3 stacks.
Not sure if I'm interpreting correctly but being vulnerable to sneak attack is also how they describe Improved Deception...
Effect: This weapon/item is hard to focus upon and thus provides a +5 enhancement bonus to Bluff checks. In addition, Improved Deception weapons has a 10%1 chance to envelop the target in darkness, making them vulnerable to sneak attacks for a short time. This chance is double the chance of weapons with normal Deception. This does not remove the sneak attack immunity that certain creature types such as undead, plants or constructs have.
So base on that description being vulnerable is distinct from immunity to sneak attack, and if the description is consistent it seems to me that logically Bring Darkness will have the same effect.
Of course this assumes the wiki is accurate and that I've interpreted correctly, both of which may be open to question!
Wiki has it as...
Bring Darkness: When you roll a natural 20 on a Melee or Ranged attack, you envelop the target in shadow, applying a stack of Darkness.
If you have the feat First Blood, it now triggers off of your harmful spellcasts, and when it procs, it also applies a stack of Darkness. Darkness debuff: You are vulnerable to Sneak Attacks, -3 Spell Resistance, -3 PRR and -3 MRR per stack. Lasts 12 seconds, stacks drop 1 at a time. Max 3 stacks.
Not sure if I'm interpreting correctly but being vulnerable to sneak attack is also how they describe Improved Deception...
Effect: This weapon/item is hard to focus upon and thus provides a +5 enhancement bonus to Bluff checks. In addition, Improved Deception weapons has a 10%1 chance to envelop the target in darkness, making them vulnerable to sneak attacks for a short time. This chance is double the chance of weapons with normal Deception. This does not remove the sneak attack immunity that certain creature types such as undead, plants or constructs have.
So base on that description being vulnerable is distinct from immunity to sneak attack, and if the description is consistent it seems to me that logically Bring Darkness will have the same effect.
Of course this assumes the wiki is accurate and that I've interpreted correctly, both of which may be open to question!
Christhemiss
Maker of Builds
yeah i agree with you, the wiki implies its auto bluff, but for some reason i had in my head it removed SA immunity. maybe it says that in game or maybe the epic strike does it. not sure. these days i dont read things in game, i just memorized the good stuff lmaoHey Chris
Wiki has it as...
Bring Darkness: When you roll a natural 20 on a Melee or Ranged attack, you envelop the target in shadow, applying a stack of Darkness.
If you have the feat First Blood, it now triggers off of your harmful spellcasts, and when it procs, it also applies a stack of Darkness. Darkness debuff: You are vulnerable to Sneak Attacks, -3 Spell Resistance, -3 PRR and -3 MRR per stack. Lasts 12 seconds, stacks drop 1 at a time. Max 3 stacks.
Not sure if I'm interpreting correctly but being vulnerable to sneak attack is also how they describe Improved Deception...
Effect: This weapon/item is hard to focus upon and thus provides a +5 enhancement bonus to Bluff checks. In addition, Improved Deception weapons has a 10%1 chance to envelop the target in darkness, making them vulnerable to sneak attacks for a short time. This chance is double the chance of weapons with normal Deception. This does not remove the sneak attack immunity that certain creature types such as undead, plants or constructs have.
So base on that description being vulnerable is distinct from immunity to sneak attack, and if the description is consistent it seems to me that logically Bring Darkness will have the same effect.
Of course this assumes the wiki is accurate and that I've interpreted correctly, both of which may be open to question!
