Glass Shards...Has it Been Fixed?

[Arkat]

Starting to work on my Artificer again, and his current Heavy Repeating Crossbow is Stickerclick, the Bitter Hail of Bolts.
I'm looking for a replacement heavy repeater, and The Anarchist's Crossbow appears to be a suitable option.

However, if its Glass Shards effect still doesn't work after eight years (the effect was first found on Spite, the Fractured Shards shuriken from the Old Baba's Hut raid in Ravenloft), I'm thinking I should look into some other alternative.

Does anyone know if the Glass Shards effect has been fixed or not? As I recall, every time the shuriken or missile hit a foe, it reset the stack back to one, making it a practically useless effect.

Thanks.

 

[rabidfox]

Nope. It's never been in any patch notes. Maybe someday.

 

[ShoeMaker]

I don't see any bug notes on any of the DDOwiki pages related to https://ddowiki.com/page/Glass_Shards - Maybe it was ninja fixed?

 

[rabidfox]

I don't see any bug notes on any of the DDOwiki pages related to https://ddowiki.com/page/Glass_Shards - Maybe it was ninja fixed?

Or the wiki simply didn't have a note about it having been broken for years.

 

[Smokewolf]

Well it's like the throwing weapon that proks paralyzation, works fine until IPS is activated. After which it refuses to prok at all. Dev's refuse to say or do anything with it, which strikes me as WAI from SSG's point of view.

Would not be surprised if we're seeing a similar situation here, as that effect is pretty awesome.

 

[rabidfox]

Just for reference, the bug with glass shards is that as long as you're hitting the target you'll never see any damage from it. Every time a new stack is added/refreshed, it resets the timer which prevents the damage from going off; it'll only do damage after you stop attacking a target.

• Glass Shards, ultimately, does weird things with the heartbeat system of the game; if an application of the effect overlaps with a trigger of the effect, it doesn't trigger the damage correctly. We're going to leave this effect in place and look into longer-term solutions. https://forums.ddo.com/index.php?threads/u61-patch-1-preview-2-raid-loot.3454/page-3#post-35866

 

[waysider]

It'd be a really nice QoL improvement, and maybe even a shakeup in the meta, if there was a big audit and patch and all the items that were balanced around having certain effects actually had those effects.

I don't think this is actually causing the game performance issues but I find myself imagining

1: if Hit, then 2
2: StringTableError DID DO NOT USE, then start garbage collection
3: if garbage collection, then garbage collection

(Of course this can't be it, as mostly players aren't using items with effects that don't work. I wonder how many intended hidden effects that there might be historically that players never found because they don't work).

 

[Smokewolf]

Just for reference, the bug with glass shards is that as long as you're hitting the target you'll never see any damage from it. Every time a new stack is added/refreshed, it resets the timer which prevents the damage from going off; it'll only do damage after you stop attacking a target.

• Glass Shards, ultimately, does weird things with the heartbeat system of the game; if an application of the effect overlaps with a trigger of the effect, it doesn't trigger the damage correctly. We're going to leave this effect in place and look into longer-term solutions. https://forums.ddo.com/index.php?threads/u61-patch-1-preview-2-raid-loot.3454/page-3#post-35866

So that was over two years ago... Progress is so speedy it's crazy !

 

[waysider]

Just for reference, the bug with glass shards is that as long as you're hitting the target you'll never see any damage from it. Every time a new stack is added/refreshed, it resets the timer which prevents the damage from going off; it'll only do damage after you stop attacking a target.

• Glass Shards, ultimately, does weird things with the heartbeat system of the game; if an application of the effect overlaps with a trigger of the effect, it doesn't trigger the damage correctly. We're going to leave this effect in place and look into longer-term solutions. https://forums.ddo.com/index.php?threads/u61-patch-1-preview-2-raid-loot.3454/page-3#post-35866

Ugh, so it's way past time to assign the item a new effect. Dust would do fine, it's known-to-work.

 

[The Blonde]

Here to confirm everything the fox said.

 

[Arkat]

Ugh, so it's way past time to assign the item a new effect. Dust would do fine, it's known-to-work.

What gets my goat is it's an effect on a relatively new item. If it hasn't been fixed, why still use it??

 

[The Blonde]

What gets my goat it's an effect on a relatively new item. If it hasn't been fixed, why still use it??

Because they're understaffed, underpaid, overworked, mismanaged, and completely jaded.

And before I get asked how I could possibly know these things - I don't, but it's historically been the only diagnosis for cases such as this one.

 

[Smokewolf]

@SteelStar Care to chime in?

 

[ShoeMaker]

Or the wiki simply didn't have a note about it having been broken for years.

That's possible too. Was just asking if it was possible it was fixed without being in any notes. I guess I'll have to farm one up and test it to figure out the best way to document the bug on wiki.

 

[Smokewolf]

That's possible too. Was just asking if it was possible it was fixed without being in any notes. I guess I'll have to farm one up and test it to figure out the best way to document the bug on wiki.

Remember... Video or it didn't happen.

 

[rabidfox]

Remember... Video or it didn't happen.

There's probably video of the bug when I reported it being a problem on lam for that xbow (if one searches around). Or I can grab fresh video when I hit cap again soon.

 

[Kimbere]

Just for reference, the bug with glass shards is that as long as you're hitting the target you'll never see any damage from it. Every time a new stack is added/refreshed, it resets the timer which prevents the damage from going off; it'll only do damage after you stop attacking a target.

• Glass Shards, ultimately, does weird things with the heartbeat system of the game; if an application of the effect overlaps with a trigger of the effect, it doesn't trigger the damage correctly. We're going to leave this effect in place and look into longer-term solutions. https://forums.ddo.com/index.php?threads/u61-patch-1-preview-2-raid-loot.3454/page-3#post-35866

In other words... check is in the mail suckers. And the devs wonder why we don't trust them.

 

[Wini]

8 years to correct this. I'm feeling so sad...

 

[Arkat]

8 years to correct this. I'm feeling so sad...

@SteelStar Would you, or whoever the loot dev is, either fix Glass Shards or maybe replace it with an appropriate DPS effect on the two crossbows from the Fire Over Morgrave raid, please?

Thanks.

 

[rabidfox]

Okay, hit cap and tossed on my xbow. Here you can see about 50% to 66% of the glass shard procs were being lost (on the right shows the rate of proc when they're just ticking away on their own). This was on a non-ranged build so it's attacking slow since it has no ranged alacrity/etc. The faster you attack, the more the proc timer gets interupted and lost.

https://imgur.com/a/ZwYQIwl