Hacked Account Banned After $1,400 in Fraudulent Charges — Looking for Advice

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Sarandra

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Let's keep this thread at the top folks, give SSG a dialy reminder that this mess is hurting folks. Hurting financially, hurting folks when they have to revoke their card and then banning their account, that's the sort of thing that stings and that you will remember for the rest of your life.

We can't pin it, sure, but we can do a dialy bump until this stuff gets solved...
 

f1b041b3

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"Help, guys! A friend of a friend's cousin's uncle's dog walker was hacked months ago for a million dollarie doos and wants his account back! Remember, this happened to someone else a while back so don't bother to ask for any details or proof because I can't be expected to have any! Also allow me to pretend that I'm not aware of the other 'compromised account' threads while hitting all of their talking points! 'My friend' and I will see you soon!!!"
They really should have some sort of transaction log, tools to search it, automation to flag suspicious activity, and someone to bother to check. I doubt Masterwork Arrows are worth any amount of Shards, much less thousands of Shards, but I guess DDO knows better.
If SSG issued a statement that they've investigated and found nothing suspicious, you wouldn't believe them. You'll eagerly believe every anonymous, unsubstantiated customer complaint, however.
Don’t ever repay the chargebacks or other disputed charges. I know of someone who didn’t get their account back after squaring the books with SSG.
If someone tried to defraud you, then would you want to continue conducting business with that person? I know I wouldn't.
Let's keep this thread at the top folks, give SSG a dialy reminder that this mess is hurting folks.
The only reason this bs was posted was to provide more rage bait to the mob after last week's similar thread was locked. You know, I was never going to buy any points again due to other issues I have with this company, but now I'm inclined to pull the trigger during the double points sale just as an f u to the con men posting these threads.

That SSG doesn't have a policy to direct all billing/account complaints to customer service and immediately lock these threads is the only problem here. Without any visibility, nobody would bother to post these lies. This shouldn't be a problem, even in the overregulated EU.
 

Jaspar

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"Help, guys! A friend of a friend's cousin's uncle's dog walker was hacked months ago for a million dollarie doos and wants his account back! Remember, this happened to someone else a while back so don't bother to ask for any details or proof because I can't be expected to have any! Also allow me to pretend that I'm not aware of the other 'compromised account' threads while hitting all of their talking points! 'My friend' and I will see you soon!!!"

If SSG issued a statement that they've investigated and found nothing suspicious, you wouldn't believe them. You'll eagerly believe every anonymous, unsubstantiated customer complaint, however.

If someone tried to defraud you, then would you want to continue conducting business with that person? I know I wouldn't.

The only reason this bs was posted was to provide more rage bait to the mob after last week's similar thread was locked. You know, I was never going to buy any points again due to other issues I have with this company, but now I'm inclined to pull the trigger during the double points sale just as an f u to the con men posting these threads.

That SSG doesn't have a policy to direct all billing/account complaints to customer service and immediately lock these threads is the only problem here. Without any visibility, nobody would bother to post these lies. This shouldn't be a problem, even in the overregulated EU.

So the lack of any reasonable level of security in the game isnt a problem. Its just that they arent locking threads about breaches of security...
 

Geezer

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DDO had better wake up and address this problem. Possibly a player that has spent thousands of dollars on this game over the years could get ripped off and then their account banned for something thats not their fault. There has to be 2 forms of verification required to log in to the account , the usual user name and password, then an email or text be sent to the user with a code to enter. Wake up devs!!!!
 

f1b041b3

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So the lack of any reasonable level of security in the game isnt a problem. Its just that they arent locking threads about breaches of security...
A username and a password is a reasonable level of security, so yeah, they need to start locking these threads. I'd go a step further and start banning anyone repeating libelous allegations of "security breaches." Maybe SSG should have its own attorneys send out some cease and desist letters since so many of you seem eager to litigate?
DDO had better wake up and address this problem. Possibly a player that has spent thousands of dollars on this game over the years could get ripped off and then their account banned for something thats not their fault. There has to be 2 forms of verification required to log in to the account , the usual user name and password, then an email or text be sent to the user with a code to enter. Wake up devs!!!!
SSG's going to implement 2-FA (for its own protection, mind you), crooks will continue to make friendly fraud claims, and you'll still find a way to blame SSG.

To whom it may concern at SSG, all store items need to be bound. If these items can't be moved between accounts then nobody can possibly claim that they were "hacked" for profit. Enough of this nonsense.
 

Jaspar

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A username and a password is a reasonable level of security

Can you show a link to any security / financial / really any group who say that a single username / password is a reasonable level of security?

And how about the link not be from 2016.

BTW 2FA will come in around the same time as classes are balanced.
 

f1b041b3

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You keep on banging against people that ran into a misfortune and banging on people that stand up for them. Not sure what you problem is, but empathy certainly isn't one of them apparently.

Go take a hike already.
It's amazing that we're at a point where an anonymous player is posting hearsay about his friend getting "hacked" and you still don't consider it with even an ounce of skepticism.
Can you show a link to any security / financial / really any group who say that a single username / password is a reasonable level of security?
Am I going to find a recommendation that password-based security is enough from a security firm that's business model is to convince their clients to implement as many security procedures as possible? Probably not. Anyway, the only authorities that matter are governments and neither in the US nor EU is this industry statutorily required to implement the security measures you demand.

Tell me, can you provide a link to any credible authority alleging SSG's security has been recently compromised and sensitive customer data has been leaked? No? Any evidence whatsoever? Also no? Then you're issuing defamatory statements against SSG/Daybreak that are legally actionable. You go ahead and sue them and they can do the same to you. We'll see who wins.
 

Pinecone

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Regardless of whether or not these reports are credible, everywhere else I spend money online, I get a popup on my phone where I have to enter a bank pin to approve the spending, except from SSG. I just enter my details and the card is charged. Now I'm not sure how widespread that extra security is around the world, but it's certainly what I've come to expect
 

Sylvado

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Regardless of whether or not these reports are credible, everywhere else I spend money online, I get a popup on my phone where I have to enter a bank pin to approve the spending, except from SSG. I just enter my details and the card is charged. Now I'm not sure how widespread that extra security is around the world, but it's certainly what I've come to expect
I don't for my Amazon purchases
 

PersonMan

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"A username and a password is a reasonable level of security"

This is only true if brute force attacks are prevented, and also no relevant data breaches ever occur.

Users can do their part to prevent a brute force by having a sufficiently complex password, and SSG can augment this by not processing a brute force at full speed, but any time a relevant data breach occurs it is open season until affected accounts' credentials are changed.
 

axemania

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A rapid chargeback after a transaction for digital goods is the #1 sign of fraud in ecommerce. It's particularly obvious in a game that allows RMT for items that can be traded in-game or for in-game currency--you use $ to buy in-game currency and items, quickly transfer them to another account (a collaborator, an alt, anything), then demand a chargeback. If you're a scammer running an unauthorized RMT site, you can set up bots to do this and make the purchases, transfer items to an alt account, then demand chargebacks, and rapidly accrue large amounts of valuable items before the inevitable banhammer. If the game has a player item exchange, as most do, it's also scarily easy to bot the exchange as a transfer mechanism which might be harder to track.

The banhammer falls on the scammer's main account, but they don't care because it's a throwaway and they have a thousand more waiting in the wings to activate, and they got what they wanted on their alt or collaborator's account so they can sell that item at cut-rate prices on their shady website (and maybe get a new set of card details to abuse on the bargain, but that's icing on the cake, the money here is selling to greedy players, not stealing credit cards). They got the digital good, they get the money back (and the game company's only viable response is to drop the banhammer), and they make a profit selling to some fool who goes on a shady website to buy a valuable in-game item.

These guys don't need to hack accounts because their method relies on spamming transactions and quickly shuffling items off into an untraceable sea of in-game transfers and transactions before their initial account gets banned, and they have an endless sea of gibberish-named accounts both to spam this fraud and to advertise their shady sites.

This is why it's industry standard to ban for chargebacks and to take claims of "my account was hacked" with a gigantic chunk of salt, because it's far easier to just use a throwaway card and a throwaway account you made with a bot to do this than it is to go to the effort of compromising someone's account and getting their CVC to perform fraudulent transactions.

So, please forgive me if I am extremely suspicious of this "my friend was hacked" anecdote. It reeks of ragebait, sympathy-bait, and sussy behavior.
 

PersonMan

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They really should have some sort of transaction log, tools to search it, automation to flag suspicious activity, and someone to bother to check. I doubt Masterwork Arrows are worth any amount of Shards, much less thousands of Shards, but I guess DDO knows better.
If SSG issued a statement that they've investigated and found nothing suspicious, you wouldn't believe them. You'll eagerly believe every anonymous, unsubstantiated customer complaint, however.
Please substantiate your personal attack against me.
 

PersonMan

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an untraceable sea of in-game transfers and transactions
This is why transaction logging is important. Literally everything is traceable in the digital world. They just need the resources to do it. They could reverse an entire transaction chain if they had the tools.
 

Pinecone

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yet, I've never had an issue, perhaps it is my password management.
Perhaps, and perhaps most of these reports aren't credible. I've never had a problem either. I also delete my card after each purchase in DDO though, because of these reports. But I haven't had issues elsewhere either. An extra step for approval would still be desirable for me
 

Sarlona Raiding

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I was never going to buy any points again due to other issues I have with this company, but now I'm inclined to pull the trigger during the double points sale just

I would probably buy points with the double point sale, except the lack of 2 factor-authentication gives me pause. I definitely don't want to buy points and then get my account hacked and lose it all.
 

f1b041b3

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I would probably buy points with the double point sale, except the lack of 2 factor-authentication gives me pause. I definitely don't want to buy points and then get my account hacked and lose it all.
And that's fine. What I take issue with is an angry hysterical mob that refuses to question the veracity of these claims, despite industry data showing that anyone seeing real unauthorized charges on their credit card statements won't have been "hacked" and most likely won't even be customers. They'll be complete randos that had their credit card info stolen from skimmers attached to gas pumps and atm card readers.
 

Smokewolf

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A username and a password is a reasonable level of security, so yeah, they need to start locking these threads. I'd go a step further and start banning anyone repeating libelous allegations of "security breaches." Maybe SSG should have its own attorneys send out some cease and desist letters since so many of you seem eager to litigate?

SSG's going to implement 2-FA (for its own protection, mind you), crooks will continue to make friendly fraud claims, and you'll still find a way to blame SSG.

To whom it may concern at SSG, all store items need to be bound. If these items can't be moved between accounts then nobody can possibly claim that they were "hacked" for profit. Enough of this nonsense.
So if your hacked in the future, can we still say that username / password is still a reasonable amount of security? Or does things suddenly change because now it's your account?

Edit: All that players are asking for is MFA / 2FA, that's been the standard for more than a decade now.
 
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