Haggle Bot

JangoEX

Well-known member
Okay guys, so I did the math, it took A LOT of spreadsheet time and I decided to share with you guys just in case someone else still appreciates the ancient art of a Haggle Bot.

This is NOT a viable build to anything at all other than piking up until 32 and then park it next to the bank and vendors. I only pretty much cared about max Haggle and that's it.

The other builds available were from before the changes in epic destinies and stuff. My Haggle bot was a bard until 2016, when monks became better than bards up until the epic destiny revamp, and then after that bards became better again. I won't do a level by level walkthrough since it's not that relevant and if you are insane enough to thinking about doing a haggle bot you are familiar enough with DDO to fill in the blanks anyway. I'm just sharing my results, because some of those weren't that intuitive at all to me and came as a surprise, so it may help others too:

Human Bard 18, Sorcerer 1, Acolyte of the Skin 1 (you can actually change the mix as long as you are still with 12 bard in the end, for the bard feats)

Abilities: Max Charisma (obviously)

Epic Destinies: Legendary Dreadnought, Fatesinger and Shiradi Champion

Feats: Luck of Heroes (it gives 3 to all skills when you get Shiradi), Improved Bardic Music, Negotiatior, Skill Focus: Haggle, Past Life: Bardic Dilettante, Past Life: Sneak of Shadows, Past Live Human 1, Epic Reincarnation Skill Mastery x3, Sharn City Council Favor Feat, Inspire Excellence, Epic Reputation, Dreamscape (random buff, sometimes we get 6 to all skills), Scion of the Ethereal Plane, Epic Charisma (whenever there's nothing from this list at the level)

And if you're really insane, you can add 2 lives of Dragonborn, 2 lives of Half-Elf and 2 lives of Tiefling to get 6 extra Charisma, and Completionist and Racial Completionist add bonuses too. This is NOT worth the time, of course, but for the sake of completion I'm disclosing that it's available.

As for Enhancement Trees, you use the Human one, Harper Agent, Inquisitive (at least until you max Legendary Dreadnought, it is needed for the +6 skill boost), Fire Savant, Acolyte of the Skin, Soul Eater and Spellsinger.

Spells: Focusing Chant, Eagle's Splendor (if you're naked, dunno) and Greater Heroism

That's it!
In the making of my calculations I thought that the best character was another thing multiple times, from being half-elf, to dragonborn, to monk, to rogue, to fighter, alchemist, to using primal avatar... but yeah, that's it. A pity we can't do bard/monk, because that would be even best.
 

JangoEX

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It depends on gear and buffs, so it varies. This is just the best possible haggle character not considering gear.

I didn't bother to calculate the maximum haggle it would attain because it's the maximum anyway!
 

Sophie The Cat Burglar

Exotic Items Recovery Specialist
I thought platinum was worthless.

That was a joke.

Ha ha.

Would anyone like some vegan cookies? They taste just like normal cookies. *whispers* They are horrible.
 

JangoEX

Well-known member
Yeah, it's not really useful. I mean, it's bad if you don't have it and need it to reset something or whatever but we earn more than enough just questing. I mostly keep my haggle bot as a tradition from the times when it was a bit more useful, but you'd gain more farming platinum with the time spent leveling up the haggle bot itself anyway.

Even so, in the end everything is worthless since there's always a next update so we kinda do what we fancy haha

I created the topic more to share it with someone that would like to have an updated haggle analysis since I did search for it and everything was from way before and out of date, so if this topic existed it would've helped me a lot!

Just to give a ballpark figure, my toon is lvl 17 now and is sitting with 106 haggle, with random gear and not all feats yet. I think it will get past 160 easily at 32, since it IIRC it past it with the former build that was out of date, but when I get there I'll report the haggle I'll have
 

Dragavon

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Moving items to a haggle bot to sell, then moving plat back is more work than it is worth it now imo.
 

JangoEX

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It is. The leveling time alone makes it not worth it anyway

Not that it matters if someone wants to build one!
 

Arsont

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I am one of those odd ducks who retains a hagglebot, simply because I like respeccing my main out from time to time. One of my favorite things to do is to create builds that can work in at least two different playstyles, even if it's only for low reaper content. Basically any hybrid build can do this, and lots of splits can work as ranged or melee swaps. Unfortunately, doing this adds up, especially if I'm doing two or three full respec's every couple of days.

I did two or three swaps my last life as an alchemist; Leveled as a swf VC/T5 Vistani capped in that build, then tried out Bombadier and then a T5 VC thrower Did an ER to swap some feats around and did basically the exact same thing but in reverse :LOL:. Think each full enhancement respec cost upwards of 200k? Not a lot as a one-off thing, but start doing a few of those every life, and it adds up.

For my hagglebot, I wanted to keep haggle reletively high, but also able to function as a buffbot in groups. Found that to be the best compromise. An additional benefit, now I always have a toon that can run low reaper epics in a pinch, or can blitz through new content so I can get my mental map of the quests. So win-win-win?
 

dur

Paladin. Disruptor. Since the 1970s
I inadvertently created my personal haggle-bot @ 75 +
You forgot to state how much Haggle you would end up with.

It depends on gear and buffs, so it varies. This is just the best possible haggle character not considering gear.

I didn't bother to calculate the maximum haggle it would attain because it's the maximum anyway!
But what's the ballpark?

Good to know it maxes @ 140. And boo to anyone who says this/plat is worthless. Having a Crafter is expensive :p
 

JangoEX

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I inadvertently created my personal haggle-bot @ 75 +



But what's the ballpark?

Good to know it maxes @ 140. And boo to anyone who says this/plat is worthless. Having a Crafter is expensive :p
I don't know yet, when I get to 32 I'll update it, but I recall that I was in my 150 or 160s with the former build, that wasn't up to date, still monk-based.

Haggle gives benefits past 140. The information that it maxes at 140 is incorrect.

Mine is at 142 right now, since my haggle bot's only lvl 21 and each point past 140 gives more plat to my selling. And I recall it increasing with every buff I casted in my last build, even in 160s. To buying, yes, Haggle stops working way earlier, but not for selling.
 

Maidenstalker

Active member
My best hagglebot is built like so in Heroics:

Human for the Enhancement tree including Greater Heroism (total +9 from tree when action boosting)
1 Sorceror - for Enhancement Intensity +6 haggle
3 Bard - for enhancements +3 and bard song
16 Rogue - for enhancements +3, Action Boost Skills +6, and Skill Mastery x 3
+ the obvious (max CHA+ 23 haggle, skill focus haggle, negotiator)

This was created before the Epic revamp and does not consider subsequent races/classes.
 

JangoEX

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So, I checked carefully today, removing equipments and buffs to be sure, and the haggle selling cap for Harbor with Waterworks bonus is 150!

After 150 it's for real niche bragging rights or maybe to buy/sell with the more unfriendly sellers, like Yugo pots or something? Not sure about how that works, and even so, those would be BtC so not that helpful
 
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