Hardcore Favor

[Contessor]

Does anyone know if there is even a limit to earning leaderboard favor with regard to the symphony of fey winter HC leaderboard?

I know you can earn favor at 3 levels over, but beyond that, I have know idea, and no rules were ever posted.

The reason I askl, is that I saw some gaining more than 1k at level 34 on the leaderboard.

If that is the case, it would be nice to understand the rules of the event. Maybe I missed.

 

[rabidfox]

The only level requirement is for putting durability on your lutes. You can farm any level quest for favor for the event without lockout.

 

[Contessor]

Well now, that is hardly competitive. I feel silly for doing everything at level now. I like a bit of a competition.

 

[Chacka]

Well now, that is hardly competitive. I feel silly for doing everything at level now. I like a bit of a competition.

Actually, it is still competitive. If several players strive for a high rank on the leaderboard, the winner is determined by who can complete quests and, above all, raids, which you cannot brute-force with high-level character power. Therefore, it appears to be different from other hardcore seasons, but at the top end, it is not. Regardless, I'm not interested in the leaderboard for this Fey event; I'm just aiming for the cosmetic rewards. I would also like to point out that collecting favor offers no reward other than a potential rank on the leaderboard.

 

[TrinityTurtle]

The total amount of favor in the game minus The Shroud is the hc favor limit.

 

[rabidfox]

Actually, it is still competitive. If several players strive for a high rank on the leaderboard, the winner is determined by who can complete quests and, above all, raids, which you cannot brute-force with high-level character power. Therefore, it appears to be different from other hardcore seasons, but at the top end, it is not. Regardless, I'm not interested in the leaderboard for this Fey event; I'm just aiming for the cosmetic rewards. I would also like to point out that collecting favor offers no reward other than a potential rank on the leaderboard.

It completely non-competitive IMO. I could overlevel cheese most favor. And just pike every raid if I wanted to; if I asked my friends/guildies to hook me up with raid favor while I safely AFKed, they would. I'm sure there's folks going after things in a challenging way, but there's zero way to know from the leaderboards who did or didn't.

 

[Contessor]

Actually, it is still competitive. If several players strive for a high rank on the leaderboard, the winner is determined by who can complete quests and, above all, raids, which you cannot brute-force with high-level character power. Therefore, it appears to be different from other hardcore seasons, but at the top end, it is not. Regardless, I'm not interested in the leaderboard for this Fey event; I'm just aiming for the cosmetic rewards. I would also like to point out that collecting favor offers no reward other than a potential rank on the leaderboard.

So race to 34 by doing slayers and then begin Korthos is competitive? Most heroic raids can be soloed (except for maybe 3) at level 34. Try doing these within a level limit? Not competitive at all. Also challenges normally need done (even epic ones) before you take epic levels. That is where the competitive nature of the favor grind really lies.

 

[Contessor]

I honestly did not mind the non-dedicated server as much as I thought I would. But if we are trying to maintain integrity of the competition on HC, without a dedicated HC server, there should be some specific rules or we should eliminate leaderboards on these events entirely.

Make a level limit to qualify for favor xp. 2-3 levels for all party members max above base quest level, same as all typical HC rules. I honestly think this is more important than the fey gear lock mechanic. But doing both would be preferred to give the fairest opportunity of competition.

I have always viewed favor leaderboards as the true competition on the leaderboards. rXP is and has always been who can cheese the most by getting to cap and exploiting first time bonuses until ready to TR and rinse and repeat. But if you want to make rXP leaderboards a serious competition, do not give credit for total rxp, just make it based on a point system for quest completion, where it ignores the normal bonuses for *level of quest and gives no credit for the LE Reaper. Also rXP leaderboard should not count on more than 1 quest even after TR. Doing lower level quests can be arguably harder than LE on reaper on a first lifer, but there is significantly less incentive to do them.

 

[Genkiba]

The total amount of favor in the game minus The Shroud is the hc favor limit.

You can get favor for Shroud on a HC character...

 

[Bjond]

'm sure there's folks going after things in a challenging way, but there's zero way to know from the leaderboards who did or didn't.

With the bugs for RXP at the start, it's hard to tell which chars on the leaderboard are real and which exploited a freshly TR'd main, too.

A couple are painfully obvious (1 & 2), but a lot could have been done as zoneline pikers. Mine is a zoneline buff-bot itself and is ranked about 35 last I checked, which surprised me that it broke 100 at all.

 

[DBZ]

Actually, it is still competitive. If several players strive for a high rank on the leaderboard, the winner is determined by who can complete quests and, above all, raids, which you cannot brute-force with high-level character power. Therefore, it appears to be different from other hardcore seasons, but at the top end, it is not. Regardless, I'm not interested in the leaderboard for this Fey event; I'm just aiming for the cosmetic rewards. I would also like to point out that collecting favor offers no reward other than a potential rank on the leaderboard.

Tell that to dungeon helper

 

[Darlyaa]

there should be some specific rules or we should eliminate leaderboards on these events entirely.

Yes.

It's my first experience in "more or less copying hardcore event" (sigh) and the main feeling is i still don't know HC at all after that experience.

You can, indeed, and lol, run Korthos and harbor with your L34 just to get hight in one night on the leaderboard. Lol.

I don't know coding well, but at the event start, I just assumed they couldn't count it differently. The favor counted is just the Total favor of your toon. Yep. That's the sign of absolutely nothing.

 

[Contessor]

Yes.

It's my first experience in "more or less copying hardcore event" (sigh) and the main feeling is i still don't know HC at all after that experience.

You can, indeed, and lol, run Korthos and harbor with your L34 just to get hight in one night on the leaderboard. Lol.

I don't know coding well, but at the event start, I just assumed they couldn't count it differently. The favor counted is just the Total favor of your toon. Yep. That's the sign of absolutely nothing.

Well,

They coded mote XP gained with a level limit. Shouldnt be hard to just make it driven off mote xp and you just need to keep a mote in inventory, even if full.

Besides they apparently invested time into creating fey items for HC characters, which I am all for eliminating that idea, if they could at least preserve some competition on the leaderboards.

 

[Chacka]

It completely non-competitive IMO. I could overlevel cheese most favor. And just pike every raid if I wanted to; if I asked my friends/guildies to hook me up with raid favor while I safely AFKed, they would. I'm sure there's folks going after things in a challenging way, but there's zero way to know from the leaderboards who did or didn't.

This 'piking'—where friends help you get your favor—was already possible on the Hardcore server.

My point concerns the idea that you 'cannot brute-force with high-level character power.' Even on Hardcore servers, reaching the top of the leaderboards wasn't really a matter of personal ability only. It was always about getting help from friends or having a static group that supported each other.

 

[rabidfox]

This 'piking'—where friends help you get your favor—was already possible on the Hardcore server.

On hardcore the entire group was risking things even if they were carrying others. A person being carried on there was a vastly different beast.

 

[Chacka]

So race to 34 by doing slayers and then begin Korthos is competitive? Most heroic raids can be soloed (except for maybe 3) at level 34. Try doing these within a level limit? Not competitive at all. Also challenges normally need done (even epic ones) before you take epic levels. That is where the competitive nature of the favor grind really lies.

I feel like you're still missing the point. Yes, you can brute-force most quests and raids in the Fey event with high-level character power. That isn't very competitive; it’s just busywork. However, you don't get any Favor reward for doing that, which is likely why the developers didn't set a hard level cap for entering those quests.

The real point is about the top end of the leaderboard. You still have to find a way to complete those Level 30-36 raids and high-difficulty Sharn quests like Pilgrims' Peril. That is still not easy unless you find people to help you. In that sense, it is similar to the real Hardcore server. So, yes, the competitiveness might be lower, but you cannot say there is none at all.

 

[Chacka]

On hardcore the entire group was risking things even if they were carrying others. A person being carried on there was a vastly different beast.

To clarify, I am not arguing that the challenge is identical to the Hardcore server, where assisting players risk the permanent loss of their characters.

My point is simply that the Fey event retains a degree of competitiveness, refuting the claim that it has none whatsoever. Competition is not a strict dichotomy—it is not a binary choice between 'total competition' and 'zero competition.' My argument is that this event falls somewhere on the spectrum in between.

 

[Dom]

My point is simply that the Fey event retains a degree of competitiveness, refuting the claim that it has none whatsoever. Competition is not a strict dichotomy—it is not a binary choice between 'total competition' and 'zero competition.' My argument is that this event falls somewhere on the spectrum in between.

Yeah, instead of being at 0, its at 0.25. But we'll round down and call it 0, just like SSG math would.

 

[PersonMan]

just make it driven off mote xp and you just need to keep a mote in inventory, even if full.

This was the joke I had for last years leaderboard (since there was not one)
Biggest lantern wins

I didn't bother last year, but at least bothered to do the joke this year.

 

[PersonMan]

On hardcore the entire group was risking things even if they were carrying others. A person being carried on there was a vastly different beast.

They can flag HC toons to be able to only group with other HC toons, similar to the snowy side flag. Maybe next year