Hardcore Favor

[rabidfox]

They can flag HC toons to be able to only group with other HC toons, similar to the snowy side flag. Maybe next year

That just goes back to the same issue as regular hardcore, where it would seperate the player base. It's a no win situation. I'm fine with the way things are for the fey event, but I also consider the leaderboards to be meaningless at this point (and I'm on them without even trying).

 

[Darlyaa]

They coded mote XP gained with a level limit. Shouldnt be hard to just make it driven off mote xp and you just need to keep a mote in inventory, even if full.

I don't understand well what I quote here, sorry.

Anyway, I think a level restriction at entrance to the dungeons would have been something? For instance you're L10 and carrying a winter lute so you're not able anymore to run a L5 quest? (Copying reaper restriction or even tougher one). (Maybe that's what you said?)

That would make sense. Again I strongly agree about that current leaderboard which is more like a joke (the favor one, not the reaper one imo). I'd say like you; either a leaderboard where the place is really deserved (meaning; hard to reach somehow), either none at all.

but I also consider the leaderboards to be meaningless at this point (and I'm on them without even trying).

Yes. First weeks I had a toon progressively climbing it, and I could be very proud of her because I totally restricted her and she did well within the restrictions I followed. She died since.
Now, event ending, I have a new runner on leaderboard who is just running easy and safe and looting my shared bank to get a reward and that one doesn't really deserve to be on that leaderboard according to me. Her line there is just telling "Hey look there is a player here who just would like some wings" lol

Nothing about completion of anything.

 

[TrinityTurtle]

You can get favor for Shroud on a HC character...

ONly if you do legendary I suppose, you don't die in that one. But hardcore season one there was a group that forgot (or thought it wouldn't count maybe?) about what ahppenes at the end of part four and a 12 man wipe.

 

[Lazuli]

Why

They can flag HC toons to be able to only group with other HC toons, similar to the snowy side flag. Maybe next year

Why? Let people play with they want. And if you don't want group with no-hc people, don't do.

 

[Genkiba]

ONly if you do legendary I suppose, you don't die in that one. But hardcore season one there was a group that forgot (or thought it wouldn't count maybe?) about what ahppenes at the end of part four and a 12 man wipe.

You can join the quest as hardcore after part 5 in heroic and still get favor.

 

[PersonMan]

Why

Why? Let people play with they want. And if you don't want group with no-hc people, don't do.

I am not saying they should. It is just the available solution to make the current more like the original, to prevent non-hc characters from carrying hc characters up onto the leaderboard, which was the subject to which I responded. The "maybe next year" was not meant longingly, just if they wanted to make the leaderboard meaningful in that way they can do something next year if they want.

A thing that I do want changed about the present event is to have HC items convert into non HC items with progress preserved instead of being destroyed, as many people do not have the free time to do both, so attempting and failing HC can mean getting nothing.

 

[Buddha5440]

It completely non-competitive IMO. I could overlevel cheese most favor. And just pike every raid if I wanted to; if I asked my friends/guildies to hook me up with raid favor while I safely AFKed, they would. I'm sure there's folks going after things in a challenging way, but there's zero way to know from the leaderboards who did or didn't.

So true! Leaderboards only exist to serve peoples vanity. They mean nothing.

 

[Mnemor]

In my opinion, leaderboards go against the spirit of D&D. D&D is always about cooperation, about how a group is greater than the sum of its parts and can overcome all kinds of external challenges.

Yes, I know DDO has strayed far from its roots, but it's still a PvE game, not a PvP one.

But hardcore was a cheap and lazy solution (requiring hardly any work) for implementing events, so it debuted for that reason and has persisted for that reason. And that's probably why it won't change, even though a large part of the population isn't interested in permadeath mechanics or starting new characters.

That said, leaderboards don't bother me. I think they're fine if someone is interested in them. What bothers me is having to create a new character when I've had to store my alts due to lack of support, and permadeath mechanics, which I dislike. These mechanics force you to play it safe, not to have fun, and force you to use only "tough" builds, not the builds you enjoy. Permadeath is a playstyle for a select few, and it shouldn't have special rewards that can't be obtained any other way.

 

[Darlyaa]

A thing that I do want changed about the present event is to have HC items convert into non HC items with progress preserved instead of being destroyed, as many people do not have the free time to do both, so attempting and failing HC can mean getting nothing.

I wouldn't like it so but my idea would be that any winter lute would be rewarded by both summer and winter versions of the items/feats.

 

[Darlyaa]

In my opinion, leaderboards go against the spirit of D&D. D&D is always about cooperation, about how a group is greater than the sum of its parts and can overcome all kinds of external challenges.

I like that.

I personnally see and play "HC-like" as a personal challenge and love it. With my 1st winter runner, seeing her progression in board showed me I was achieving something in that personal challenge. But I was happy when she climbed, while some names went down under hers, and not happy when she climber because of others' deaths and just because that made free spot.

We can see so much competition including feeling happy for other's deaths, during this event. I also think it's a sad spirit for that game.

I want to mention here that I liked the idea of the whole server in pursue of a collective goal offered by the event story.

That said, leaderboards don't bother me. I think they're fine if someone is interested in them. What bothers me is having to create a new character when I've had to store my alts due to lack of support, and permadeath mechanics, which I dislike. These mechanics force you to play it safe, not to have fun, and force you to use only "tough" builds, not the builds you enjoy. Permadeath is a playstyle for a select few, and it shouldn't have special rewards that can't be obtained any other way.

I'm ok with not getting everything, including items I like, because of my time limits or toons limits or player's skills limits. It's "a bit of a pity" but not more. I get it that it can be more frustrating for others though, so I wish you they take that in account for next events.

 

[Sarlona Raiding]

I finished my hardcore lutes long ago and still get favor toward the leader boards on my hardcore characters even though I have no interest in the leader boards. I am keeping the first-life hardcore characters at 25 for power leveling tanks, healers, gearless characters and other such characters through epics.

This will be the third time I end up on a hardcore leaderboard with <1 week time spent on the hardcore event. Ironically the summer took much longer because I was running with a group and we made no attempt to optimize. And sadly I can't even get my summer wings due to a bug that SSG said they would fix, but didn't.

 

[The Narc2]

I finished my hardcore lutes long ago and still get favor toward the leader boards on my hardcore characters even though I have no interest in the leader boards. I am keeping the first-life hardcore characters at 25 for power leveling tanks, healers, gearless characters and other such characters through epics.

This will be the third time I end up on a hardcore leaderboard with <1 week time spent on the hardcore event. Ironically the summer took much longer because I was running with a group and we made no attempt to optimize. And sadly I can't even get my summer wings due to a bug that SSG said they would fix, but didn't.

What is the bug that is peventing you from getting summer wings, want to make sure others dont fall victim to this?

 

[Sarlona Raiding]

What is the bug that is peventing you from getting summer wings, want to make sure others dont fall victim to this?

It's kind of a rare scenario I think.

You had to turn in the winter wing when it was bugged and the winter wing unlock reward was giving your other characters summer wings. That bug was fixed, but when you later turn in the lute for summer wings on a character that claimed winter wings but received the summer wings - you get an error turning your completed summer lute and don't get the summer wing reward unlock. It's detailed here:

https://forums.ddo.com/index.php?threads/bug-related-to-previously-reported-winter-wing-bug.24739/

So my scenario:

1) Earned winter wings on a first-lifer and was correctly given winter wings on that character when I completed the lute.
2) Claimed winter wings on my main character but received summer wings instead
3) The winter wing bug in #1 was fixed
4) Turned in my completed summer wing lute on my main character - Lord arden ate the lute and didn't grant the summer wing unlock on my account. It gave me an error that I already had the summer wings (specific error listead in bug report link)

 

[The Narc2]

It's kind of a rare scenario I think.

You had to turn in the winter wing when it was bugged and the winter wing unlock reward was giving your other characters summer wings. That bug was fixed, but when you later turn in the lute for summer wings on a character that claimed winter wings but received the summer wings - you get an error turning your completed summer lute and don't get the summer wing reward unlock. It's detailed here:

https://forums.ddo.com/index.php?threads/bug-related-to-previously-reported-winter-wing-bug.24739/

So my scenario:

1) Earned winter wings on a first-lifer and was correctly given winter wings on that character when I completed the lute.
2) Claimed winter wings on my main character but received summer wings instead
3) The winter wing bug in #1 was fixed
4) Turned in my completed summer wing lute on my main character - Lord arden ate the lute and didn't grant the summer wing unlock on my account. It gave me an error that I already had the summer wings (specific error listead in bug report link)

So basically be sure not to claim wings on any alts until you have claimed both sets of wings should avoid the bug??

 

[Sarlona Raiding]

So basically be sure not to claim wings on any alts until you have claimed both sets of wings should avoid the bug??

If you earned the winter wings on one character then claimed those wings on another character but got summer wings due to bug - you can't turn in your summer wing lute on that character unless you do some type of reincarnation.

 

[Contessor]

I feel like you're still missing the point. Yes, you can brute-force most quests and raids in the Fey event with high-level character power. That isn't very competitive; it’s just busywork. However, you don't get any Favor reward for doing that, which is likely why the developers didn't set a hard level cap for entering those quests.

The real point is about the top end of the leaderboard. You still have to find a way to complete those Level 30-36 raids and high-difficulty Sharn quests like Pilgrims' Peril. That is still not easy unless you find people to help you. In that sense, it is similar to the real Hardcore server. So, yes, the competitiveness might be lower, but you cannot say there is none at all.

People carrying you is hardly what I consider competitive. Not following what you are suggesting I guess. Most people have guildies or friends to carry them through raids. The event was OK with just filling the lutes. Having a leaderboard is just something this style of hardcore should not bother with.

 

[Contessor]

ONly if you do legendary I suppose, you don't die in that one. But hardcore season one there was a group that forgot (or thought it wouldn't count maybe?) about what ahppenes at the end of part four and a 12 man wipe.

Can’t you just enter and pike your way to a completion? You really only need one person to do the quest if they are high enough level and capable

 

[The Narc2]

Can’t you just enter and pike your way to a completion? You really only need one person to do the quest if they are high enough level and capable

All the hardcores had piking/carrying, isnt that what the dozen top notch players did for the rest of the Guy Smilies in that one guild on hardcore.

of course this hardcore leaderboard is certainly less valid/competitive because a person could be carried by someone with full past lives.

 

[Bjond]

you can brute-force most quests and raids in the Fey event with high-level character power. That isn't very competitive; it’s just busywork. However, you don't get any Favor reward

The difference is that you can use your non-HC multiple-PL character while it's doing it's normal TR'ing to favor, level, and RXP a zone-line buff-bot.

I did an HC buff-bot myself pretty much just because it's nearly "free" as far as effort goes and that account wanted the cosmetics. I was a bit chagrined to learn that my bot is on the leader boards.

It's cheesy and were the option available, I'd have self-removed the bot from the boards so that "real" HC players could compare/compete with each other.

 

[Lazuli]

The difference is that you can use your non-HC multiple-PL character while it's doing it's normal TR'ing to favor, level, and RXP a zone-line buff-bot.

I did an HC buff-bot myself pretty much just because it's nearly "free" as far as effort goes and that account wanted the cosmetics. I was a bit chagrined to learn that my bot is on the leader boards.

It's cheesy and were the option available, I'd have self-removed the bot from the boards so that "real" HC players could compare/compete with each other.

You can do it. Kill your buff bot once.