I really want to get into this game but I cannot

Seweryn

Active member
I tried playing the game since 2010.
Despite multiple attempts, I cannot get into this game despite the fact that I have spent countless hours in other MMOs.
I want to play this one because I am long time dnd geek and crpgs fan overall. Isometric crpgs are my favorite types of games.
I have no problem getting into lotro, eso, swtor, wow, etc.
I don't know maybe it has to do with the fact that this game doesn't main story like all those theme park MMOs or crpgs i have played.
On the other hand i played mount and blade warband which doesn't have main plot and yet it is one my favorite games to this day.
When i finish the tutorial area, i feel kinda overwhelmed despite the fact i have been playing games since early 90's.
I do not know if something not right with me.
On top of that, the interface of this game that really bugs me.
There is something about it, that I really do not like, hard to describe it.
On the surface, the game looks good but there is something about it.
I would be thankful for any advice how can i get into this game.
Thanks for the info,
Cheers
 

vryxnr

Well-known member
Not every game is for everyone, and that is okay.

I'm not too sure what advice could be useful... maybe talk about the things others might be focusing on that draws them in?

For some, it's all about character customization.
For some, being with a group of friends makes all the difference.
For some, the smaller, more niche population brings them joy, as there is a preponderance towards maturity and quality of the players
For some, DDO is a unique game that has a charm not found anywhere else. Yes it has flaws, but I often hear of people trying other games and always coming back to DDO because nothing else does what it does for them. Perhaps the things you consider flaws and make you step away are some of the things others find charming and bring them back? I cannot say without more specifics.

It is true that there is not a giant overarching storyline. Instead, like any large city, there are many many many different smaller, more personal storylines that have nothing to do with each other, but are important to the people involved in them, all happening at once. It's up to you to decide which ones to pay attention to and give credence to. There are some larger storylines that combine many different quests, some that even go across several different adventure packs, but non of it is mandatory.

It's different, and it's not for everyone. I for one enjoy the subtler story that is not thrust in my face all the time... somewhat like dark souls, the lore is deep and rich IF you are willing to look for it, but one can still run through having fun without reading a single thing as well. DDO doesn't obfuscate things nearly at the level of dark souls does, but there is history, lore, and story that happen in DDO at different levels. Thre is the direct "I need you to do this to help me out", combined with the "the reason that NPC was in trouble was because of this event happening that you might end up investigating later" to "all of that was the result of a distant character or being involved with some obscure prophecy being investigated by a nation of dragons" or "many different characters encountered over many different quests were all affiliated with a giant character involved in a cataclysmic event ages past", etc.

I don't know if any of this helps or not. Like I said, sometimes, a game simply isn't for someone. I personally do not enjoy first person shooters or games that go heavy into PVP. They are just not for me.
 

GrayJedi AntiProPaladin

Well-known member
additionally to the above, u may also want to check out some of these informative Guided Playthroughs video tutorials:
some of them go into the lore of the adventures and story arcs

Strimtom's Solo Fighter Guided Playthrough
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLtsQoxbW0LXrnpWGFgMK1KjHWAv9Olxac

Strimtom's Solo Bard Guided Playthrough
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLtsQoxbW0LXrpxaj4jHzldsfAEPXYtDKS


Free To Play DDO 2 Rogue/18 Paladin

Strategy and Snark Dungeons and Dragons Online
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=strategy+and+snark+DDO

Sahbajade https://www.youtube.com/@thedamselsgame8007

when I started out, I watched some of these for curiosity, then waited several days or couple of weeks to play the quests, and have some inkling of what to do, but still get surprised by traps and ambushes and whatnot bcuz forgot where exactly they all are, and so explore the optionals and flower-sniffing (if that's your style of adventuring...)

also perhaps search for more such videos on Twitch and/or Youtube for inspiration...
 

Cheeps

Firm Member
I tried playing the game since 2010.
Despite multiple attempts, I cannot get into this game despite the fact that I have spent countless hours in other MMOs.
I want to play this one because I am long time dnd geek and crpgs fan overall. Isometric crpgs are my favorite types of games.
I have no problem getting into lotro, eso, swtor, wow, etc.
I don't know maybe it has to do with the fact that this game doesn't main story like all those theme park MMOs or crpgs i have played.
On the other hand i played mount and blade warband which doesn't have main plot and yet it is one my favorite games to this day.
When i finish the tutorial area, i feel kinda overwhelmed despite the fact i have been playing games since early 90's.
I do not know if something not right with me.
On top of that, the interface of this game that really bugs me.
There is something about it, that I really do not like, hard to describe it.
On the surface, the game looks good but there is something about it.
I would be thankful for any advice how can i get into this game.
Thanks for the info,
Cheers
I think the intro to this game on korthos is really bad for new players.

Waking up naked, with missing memories next to a necrophiliac halfling is a bad way to start any game in general.

From there it just gets worse with out dated graphics and a whole bunch of depressing sewer runs.

I kind of feel it might be better for keep on the borderlands to be a starter area, there's better graphics out there to showcase the game and no halflings trying to do questionable things to you when you're naked and unconscious.

Saying that, there's cool folks in the game that keep me playing it.
 

Bolseiro do Condado

Active member
I tried playing the game since 2010.
Despite multiple attempts, I cannot get into this game despite the fact that I have spent countless hours in other MMOs.
I want to play this one because I am long time dnd geek and crpgs fan overall. Isometric crpgs are my favorite types of games.
I have no problem getting into lotro, eso, swtor, wow, etc.
I don't know maybe it has to do with the fact that this game doesn't main story like all those theme park MMOs or crpgs i have played.
On the other hand i played mount and blade warband which doesn't have main plot and yet it is one my favorite games to this day.
When i finish the tutorial area, i feel kinda overwhelmed despite the fact i have been playing games since early 90's.
I do not know if something not right with me.
On top of that, the interface of this game that really bugs me.
There is something about it, that I really do not like, hard to describe it.
On the surface, the game looks good but there is something about it.
I would be thankful for any advice how can i get into this game.
Thanks for the info,
Cheers
I discovered that this game only exists last month, and I had exactly the same feeling as you, that this game is extremely complex, with countless options, leaving me 100% lost, frustrated and irritated.

I was particularly disappointed with this game because the character's Enhancements were absolutely ridiculous and poorly constructed. And what's worse... this game's wiki makes a point of describing how Enhancements, spells and everything else work in an extremely confusing and superficial way. When I go to the wiki, for example, to read about what "Universal Spell Power" does, the wiki shows a giant, super detailed text, where it says a lot of things, but in fact it says absolutely nothing. The wiki should be more direct and explicit, explaining EXACTLY what each thing does, but instead, it always starts the texts saying that this thing had this upgrade, and that later it got another upgrade, and because of so much information talk absolutely useless, the wiki text spends more than 15 paragraphs without saying absolutely NOTHING!

And that's not my problem, because I'm not a native English speaker. I noticed that native English speakers have the same problem. This game uses very subjective descriptions on purpose to leave players lost in a complex game.

Plus, I spend 10 minutes doing a quest and 2 hours tidying up my inventory.

It's terrible!

Okay... I've kept playing this game since I discovered it, not just because I particularly love complex things and I love discovering game secrets. And look, modesty aside, I'm a veteran expert in discovering secrets of all games. I've played a lot of LOTRO, STAR WARS TOR, Star Trek Online, Tibia, Diablo2, among thousands of other great games, but this is by far the most complex.

You know that old cartoon from the 80s called Dungeons and Dragons? So it is. About three days ago I went on YouTube to review one of the chapters, called "The Servant of Evil", and my friend...that's when I noticed how much the aesthetics of this game are identical to the cartoon! This drove me crazy. If I was already suspecting that this game was not only based on the work of JRR Tolkien, but also on the tabletop role-playing game and the cartoon, after watching that old chapter of the cartoon, I saw that it was worth my effort to persist in continuing to play.

And when I say "effort", I don't mean that the game is bad, but that I was insisting on playing, no. When I say "effort", what I mean is that I have motion sickness, where I can't play 3d games without getting dizzy, nauseous and wanting to vomit. In LOTRO I had this problem a lot, but in Star Wars Tor, I didn't. So for me it has been a pain in terms of stomach health to play this game. Just yesterday I was at a party where we did 5 missions in a row, and I had to leave and go to the bathroom, because out of nowhere I had a huge stomachache, but I came back after it went away.

I know this game gives warnings at the bottom of the website about health risks, but these warnings are only for those with epilepsy problems. I understand that it is not necessary to give such warnings to people like me, precisely because the symptoms are irrelevant, just nausea, and all 3D games cause this to me...not just this one, so this game is not to blame in my case. I chose to play and it is my responsibility for my health.

But this game is so complex that I have to infest the screen with shortcut bars for both magic and items. And the time I spent on the wiki, compedium, reddit, among others to understand Enhancements was worth it... a lot! Now, even though I'm a beginner player, I already know a lot, and I'm soloing reaper 1 with ease and without breaking any items. I repeat...my insistence made me extremely strong. And the fun is becoming exponential. But it's worth remembering that to be so persistent, you need to like... a lot... complex things. And I repeat: this great game is really extremely complex.

This was the second RPG I've played where it's really fun to discover secret passages and other types of secrets in general. I thought "The Quest For Glory5" was the only action RPG that had this, but I was wrong. This D&D game has much more, in a way that is contagious and fun. Sometimes I do a mission that I should do in 9 minutes in 2 hours, just because I keep using a lot of macumba on all the doors looking for secrets and invisible things with my Wizard spells. It's the best. At least I like that. And every now and then I discover a few things, thanks to my lvl 1 rogue. So, is this great game worth it? Certainly yes. It's beautiful!
 

marinerfan

Active member
When i finish the tutorial area, i feel kinda overwhelmed despite the fact i have been playing games since early 90's.
I do not know if something not right with me.
There's nothing wrong with you. I think the devs recognized this as a problem a while back as they added some better "tracks" once you're out of Korthos. Talking to the bartenders in the harbor is supposed to point you towards appropriate next quests to do. I've never actually done this as I've been playing forever and already have a routine for each life.

I guess we should try to clarify - are you overwhelmed because you're not sure where the next best place to quest is? Having trouble finding quests in wilderness areas like borderlands? Or is it something about the difficulty bump? Not sure how you should be leveling your character? Gear concerns? We can collectively help address any specific concerns and hopefully get you feeling better about things.

Additionally, there are a few overarching storylines that span many quest packs. The early levels focus more on getting your feet under you, but if you read all of the text you'll start to pick up on some themes.

I'm not sure I can help much with concerns about the interface. I know there are tons of settings you can mess with, but I haven't ever done that as it seems fine to me.

Your sentiment reminds me of the time I bought Morrowind for Xbox back in the day. I played for about 90 minutes, hated all aspects of it (graphics weren't great, once you finish the tutorial the world feels vast and overwhelming, combat with my rogueish character was super unfun [swing-miss-swing-miss-swing-miss, almost dead so RUN AWAY]), and traded it in at Gamestop for something else. 6 months later I saw "Morrowind GOTY edition" on the shelf at Gamestop. I thought to myself "how could that game possibly deserve a GOTY edition??? I must have been doing something wrong...", so I re-purchased it, spent a few hours learning the mechanics, after a few hours realized I had been sucked into this cool fantasy land, and to this day consider it among my favorite games of all time. I'm not saying "DDO will become an all-time favorite for you" with this story, just that some games take a prolonged effort to get sucked into.
 

Dandonk

Beater of Dead Horses
I don't blame you, we could really use a quest guide feature to direct newer players to stuff they might want to do in their level range. I think I read/heard something about that being considered, actually, but I'm not sure what happened to it.

The interface... well, can't help there. I've been here since... well, possibly the Reformation of 1536. At least, it sometimes feels like it. The point (I think, maybe) is that I'm so used to this game's way of doing stuff that it's just how it is, feels natural by now. But yeah, if it feels off to you, that can be a big hurdle.
 

Purr

Well-known member
Things that might help:
1) Play a war-domain cleric so you have some self healing and some tankiness. Maybe a dwarf. Go nuts with a hammer and shield and heavy armor.
2) Go through the quests on normal or casual. There's a lot of enjoyable quests that are fun to look at and figure out, especially in the harbor and marketplace. Don't worry about how long things are taking.
3) Run with a cleric or favored soul hireling
4) It's okay to just sell or dump all the collectables, gems, and ingredients you find. Starting out, you're not going to use them. When you get 7500 plat, you can buy medium-sized ones in House P and set them to "auto collect" and that will help. But honestly, it's okay to just dump them all, too. Lots of people play years without doing anything with any of them.
5) If you post an LFM that says "New Player, could use some plat to buy bags", someone will join and give you platinum.
 

Jasparius

Well-known member
Post tutorial area, they recently added some direction for the harbor quests via an NPC in the Inn in the harbor. While there is some over-arching meta story lines across stuff; for a lot of stuff, think of many adventure pack as a D&D module that's mostly stand alone.


Pick one in your level range and do that story line quests.

So rather than sticking the NPC next to the boat they hide them in the inn.

This is just so DDO.
 

Seweryn

Active member
Another thing i forgot to mention i have rather bad eyesight. So maybe this is another reason i am not fond of ddo UI.
Is there a way to make it bigger?
When i play lotro i usually play on lower resolution mostly because ui scales really badly with modern-day resolutions.
Also are there any ddo you would recommend when it comes to aesthetics, i mean that improve the look of vanilla interface.
Lotro has JRR Skins collection, which improves the looks of the ui in my opinion.
 

rabidfox

The People's Champion
When i play lotro i usually play on lower resolution mostly because ui scales really badly with modern-day resolutions.
Same method. DDO has fixed icon sizes so they don't scale up. The lower the game res is set to then the larger they appear relatively.
 

Seweryn

Active member
Post tutorial area, they recently added some direction for the harbor quests via an NPC in the Inn in the harbor. While there is some over-arching meta story lines across stuff; for a lot of stuff, think of many adventure pack as a D&D module that's mostly stand alone.


Pick one in your level range and do that story line quests.
I do not have a problem paying for the sub or buying packs. That link is there for free-to-play players. I wish if there was a guide if you are vip player.
I don't blame you, we could really use a quest guide feature to direct newer players to stuff they might want to do in their level range. I think I read/heard something about that being considered, actually, but I'm not sure what happened to it.

The interface... well, can't help there. I've been here since... well, possibly the Reformation of 1536. At least, it sometimes feels like it. The point (I think, maybe) is that I'm so used to this game's way of doing stuff that it's just how it is, feels natural by now. But yeah, if it feels off to you, that can be a big hurdle.
With age, my eyesight has deteriorated, and because of that some UI elements that weren't a problem in the past are problematic for me now.
 

rabidfox

The People's Champion

Buddha5440

"There are some who call me...Tim"
... I've been here since... well, possibly the Reformation of 1536. At least, it sometimes feels like it. ...
I think that's when they created the council which decided to, in the future, screw up your Monster Manual. :) :)
 

Contessor

Well-known member
I tried playing the game since 2010.
Despite multiple attempts, I cannot get into this game despite the fact that I have spent countless hours in other MMOs.
I want to play this one because I am long time dnd geek and crpgs fan overall. Isometric crpgs are my favorite types of games.
I have no problem getting into lotro, eso, swtor, wow, etc.
I don't know maybe it has to do with the fact that this game doesn't main story like all those theme park MMOs or crpgs i have played.
On the other hand i played mount and blade warband which doesn't have main plot and yet it is one my favorite games to this day.
When i finish the tutorial area, i feel kinda overwhelmed despite the fact i have been playing games since early 90's.
I do not know if something not right with me.
On top of that, the interface of this game that really bugs me.
There is something about it, that I really do not like, hard to describe it.
On the surface, the game looks good but there is something about it.
I would be thankful for any advice how can i get into this game.
Thanks for the info,
Cheers
DDO, unfortunately had a very big learning curve. It is really hard to get into “playing mode” from the jump. But if you really want to try, you need to spend a bit of time at cap and join the raiding community. Then TR and experience it all over again.

Over time it becomes more intuitive, but it is very hard without the game experience to enjoy.
 
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