Item hoarding

[cdbd3rd]

There are so many threads right now full of people poking each other i could drop this in to, just picked this one at random....

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I don't Raid and I have no problems with my TR cache, thus the obvious problem is having Raids in the game. Delete all Raids!

Sarcasm, of course. But folks going at each other for their play-styles and game choices doesn't sound much different.


Forum needs moar bacon.

 

[Epicsoul]

You highlight the core of the problem here, as i think i pointed out elsewhere too

If you want to be a hoarder, then go ahead and hoard. That's not a problem. If collecting and building a museum for yourself is enjoyable, then enjoy it. But just understand that's your personal meta game, not the actual game, and expect to reach limits sometimes.

The problem is when hoarders feel an *entitlement* to hoard, and demand that devs start taking time and effort away from other things to better facilitate hoarding. That's what i think we're seeing now with the transfer issues.

So no, there is no "problem" here that ssg should have to fix. The problem is on the other side of the keyboard, and it's yours to solve, not theirs.

First, I believe any player is entitled to request changes to a game that would improve their experience. And sure, all things being equal, players should expect to make things work within a consistent game environment. But that’s not what’s happening here.

Right now, there are players who TR’d in preparation for this forced transfer. They’re sitting at level 1, with no purchased or favor-acquired storage space, and just a modest amount of items in their TR cache. Now, because they’re suddenly being forced to empty it, completely contrary to SSG’s own previously posted guidance, and their experience could end up miserable. That’s not entitlement or hoarding behavior; it’s simply players caught in a situation they couldn’t have reasonably planned for. Not considering those players shows a lack of empathy on your part, consistent with your name, I suppose.

This is a problem SSG created, and yes, they should fix it. I know we’ll continue to disagree, but that’s how I see it.

 

[TrappedSoulstone]

f you want to be a hoarder, then go ahead and hoard. That's not a problem. If collecting and building a museum for yourself is enjoyable, then enjoy it. But just understand that's your personal meta game, not the actual game, and expect to reach limits sometimes.

The problem is when hoarders feel an *entitlement* to hoard, and demand that devs start taking time and effort away from other things to better facilitate hoarding. That's what i think we're seeing now with the transfer issues.

So no, there is no "problem" here that ssg should have to fix. The problem is on the other side of the keyboard, and it's yours to solve, not theirs.

Thing is "hoarders" also part of the game community and in a manner create demand for certain game content. SSGs "Problem" is that they need to count on interest of their customers whoever they are, as long as they generate revenue, unless things go so well they can focus only on fraction of players - its always some sort of balance.

As of value of things - something have as much value as one gives to it. One thing can be priceless for one and worthless for other. One may want he's own DDO, with his own blackjack but most of us stick here together. Everyone entitled to express their expectation on game they play and hopefully contribute, and SSG to decide their best course of actions.

Also its very fair that one may advertise their point of view on things, especially when good argument presented to support that point of view. However no one have to agree with that point, unless it can be forced somehow.

Hoarding or collecting things was a part of game for many people, for long time, and they were doing it okay, now however we have exigent situation for which people was not prepared for, more so they were ensured that there is nothing to worry. With time pressing, question is can and will SSG aknowlede this issue for their player base and what can/will be done to alleviate generated discomfort.

Moving to new servers is a big thing for everyone, I wish happy for everyone, but cant help everhything. Hope DDO and its player base will get safe through this transition period. I think most of us will.

 

[Pineapple]

Right now, there are players who TR’d in preparation for this forced transfer. They’re sitting at level 1,

I am honestly struggling to understand what preparation people are doing for this transfer. I saw another post where some guy has spent like 90 hours preparing so far ...

Do you know what the reason for TRing in preparation for the transfer was for some of these people who did so

When SSG released the guidance on transfers, it looked to me like I would just be able to keep playing as normal basically right up until the day of.

So far all I have done is clicked through the monster manual on a couple of servers and opened far too many bags of 250/750 rems as a result.

 

[Bobbryan2]

I am honestly struggling to understand what preparation people are doing for this transfer. I saw another post where some guy has spent like 90 hours preparing so far ...

Do you know what the reason for TRing in preparation for the transfer was for some of these people who did so

When SSG released the guidance on transfers, it looked to me like I would just be able to keep playing as normal basically right up until the day of.

So far all I have done is clicked through the monster manual on a couple of servers and opened far too many bags of 250/750 rems as a result.

People do weird things. I reinstalled DDO and defragged my hard drive. Figured I'd test that server lag.

 

[Cult of the Ocelot]

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Right now, there are players who TR’d in preparation for this forced transfer. They’re sitting at level 1, with no purchased or favor-acquired storage space, and just a modest amount of items in their TR cache. Now, because they’re suddenly being forced to empty it, completely contrary to SSG’s own previously posted guidance, and their experience could end up miserable. That’s not entitlement or hoarding behavior; it’s simply players caught in a situation they couldn’t have reasonably planned for. Not considering those players shows a lack of empathy on your part, consistent with your name, I suppose.

This is a problem SSG created, and yes, they should fix it. I know we’ll continue to disagree, but that’s how I see it.

I've seen this pop up in some other places and this is the most important point. The guidance provided for quite some time is that TR caches would transfer, don't worry about them, and thus people planned for it and now they're getting burned for it. I understand that point. I like to think SSG will do something to make people whole in this situation, but we'll see what they do.

I still think a bunch of you are absolutely clinging to stuff you're never gonna use, though. That being said, the game inventory system is not...good; never has been. There is an intersection of people holding onto absolute crap and the game needing a massive inventory improvement.

If collecting a crap ton of stuff is fun for people then uh...have fun with your inventory management MMO? I ain't gonna sympathize with a dozen characters with a few hundred items in the TR cache, though.

 

[Jasparius]

Not all of us do nothing but play inquisitive naked until cap.

Also no-one needs to keep the dragontouched armour they made 13 years ago and havent worn in 12 years.

Ive asked in a few threads but Id love to see screenshots of people with 400+ BTC items on a single toon. Because for sure most of them would be items not used in easily 5+ years and they are, as per OP, hoarders.

Something we all know is an unhealthy habit.

 

[healertank]

If you want to talk hoarding, let's talk collectibles.

hey leave my 10 million collectibles that I will most likely never use alone lol! I use it to hold up my useless 1000s of items I will likely use once every 2 or 3 years.

 

[Epicsoul]

I am honestly struggling to understand what preparation people are doing for this transfer. I saw another post where some guy has spent like 90 hours preparing so far ...

Do you know what the reason for TRing in preparation for the transfer was for some of these people who did so

When SSG released the guidance on transfers, it looked to me like I would just be able to keep playing as normal basically right up until the day of.

So far all I have done is clicked through the monster manual on a couple of servers and opened far too many bags of 250/750 rems as a result.

I’m not sure about the person who planned for 90 hours, but for me personally, this change doesn’t have a huge impact. Still, let’s examine a realistic scenario by first laying out a few basic facts:

1. One of the primary functions of this game is TR’ing, so it’s reasonable to keep items for different playstyles.
2. A character with no purchased or favor-earned storage has only 80 BTC slots available.
3. There are currently 34 levels in this game, with incremental power increases at each gear level.
4. The developers have intentionally designed the game to include BTC items.

Now, take a hypothetical character who likes to TR between melee, ranged, and caster builds. Let’s be conservative:

• They keep 6 raid weapons on hand.
• They’d want an artifact for each, so at least 3 more items.
• The newest raids have BTC gear sets (armor, helms, cloaks, etc.). Storing a 3-piece set for both DPS and caster builds means 6 items.
• From Threats Old and New, they might want 4 additional BTC gear pieces.
• Spell absorb items are important; let’s say 5 BTC items for that.
• Plus essential utility items like Jibbers, Harper Pin, and others.

You can see where this is going. This isn’t hoarding. It’s a conservative and reasonable inventory for a game that encourages frequent TRing and multi-build play.

Now, if I can’t store all this in my TR cache, where does it go? Into my 80 BTC slots. But here’s the real problem: I’m level 1 now because I just TR’d specifically to store these items in my TR cache for the transfer. Am I supposed to level all the way to cap with my entire inventory full of BTC gear?

This isn’t hypothetical. It’s happening to real players right now. It’s tone-deaf and mean-spirited to dismiss or make light of these players’ problems.

 

[Ahpuch]

DDO's inventory management system does not adequately support its gameplay loop. Spend some time raiding and accumulating BtC items with mythic and reaper bonuses. Then TR into a different archtype (melee -> nuker). Blaming players for holding onto hard to acquire items is a third raid topic because you're telling them "your fun is wrong".

The worst part is that they seem to have spent 0 effort to at least understand the other perspective before throwing out a solution and criticizing people for not already doing it that way.

I could see their point if people with full TR caches had done some exploit to get to this point but all they did was play the game that was on offer. I don't see why one would need to judge that.

 

[Oliphant]

The you-will-own-nothing-and-be-happy people sure like to clutter up with forums with tons of the same thread saying the same thing with the same words.

 

[Rusty_helmet]

The you-will-own-nothing-and-be-happy people sure like to clutter up with forums with tons of the same thread saying the same thing with the same words.

Isn’t that the truth! Let’s go eat bugs too!

 

[Bobbryan2]

Isn’t that the truth! Let’s go eat bugs too!

You don't need 37 TR caches. You'll be fine with 1 or zero.

 

[Jasparius]

You don't need 37 TR caches. You'll be fine with 1 or zero.

Technically it will be 0, unless the toon stays 32bit and eventually disappears.

Anyone got screenshots of their 400+ BTC items they cant find room for out of their TR cache ?

 

[Bobbryan2]

Anyone got screenshots of their 400+ BTC items they cant find room for out of their TR cache ?

Why do you feel so invested that you want screenshots of other peoples' inventory problems. That feels... odd?

 

[Oliphant]

The issue is either TR cache BTC fits in your character bank or you low key forced to do a TR. That's the best case scenario. Woe unto thee if you level 1 in this situation.

 

[Jasparius]

Why do you feel so invested that you want screenshots of other peoples' inventory problems. That feels... odd?

Because I think the issue is being exaggerated. Im happy to be proven otherwise though.

 

[Pineapple]

But here’s the real problem: I’m level 1 now because I just TR’d specifically to store these items in my TR cache for the transfer.

This is the part I personally don't understand, prior to the announcements anything my characters have on them is either something I've looted or purchased on my current life because I want it, or pulled out of my TR cache because I'm using it. And I will have room in my inventory for it because I was able to loot it.

I don't understand the need to TR specifically to store something

 

[Bobbryan2]

Because I think the issue is being exaggerated. Im happy to be proven otherwise though.

And you feel as if you're Javert? Tracking down the exaggeration as a moral prerogative from heaven?

 

[Jasparius]

And you feel as if you're Javert? Tracking down the exaggeration as a moral prerogative from heaven?

Sure. Why not. Or Im just someone who, when interested in something, would like to see a little proof.

The internet has, from time to time, been known to exaggerate things. Just a little.

BTW, Im off to research the latest Bigfoot video release so I may be a while before I can respond again.