Item hoarding

[Anurakh]

Sure. Why not. Or Im just someone who, when interested in something, would like to see a little proof.

The internet has, from time to time, been known to exaggerate things. Just a little.

BTW, Im off to research the latest Bigfoot video release so I may be a while before I can respond again.

Let's get this through your heads. We don't have to answer to anyone, much less you approve our caches. We decide. It's our stuff. Get that through your heads.

This is a problem SSG created. It's up to them to fix it.

I'm so glad I haven't bought the xpack yet. My VIP expires in August. SSG better get off their asses and do something.

 

[Monkey_Archer]

Technically it will be 0, unless the toon stays 32bit and eventually disappears.

Anyone got screenshots of their 400+ BTC items they cant find room for out of their TR cache ?

Because I think the issue is being exaggerated. Im happy to be proven otherwise though.

You seem to be the one exaggerating. Core inventory + bank space is 80 slots, not 400+. 80 BTC items for anyone who actually plays this game is nothing.

 

[Bobbryan2]

Sure. Why not. Or Im just someone who, when interested in something, would like to see a little proof.

The internet has, from time to time, been known to exaggerate things. Just a little.

BTW, Im off to research the latest Bigfoot video release so I may be a while before I can respond again.

I just think you get your jollies arguing with people online. And it's a service to do so while people are stressed about this move, in particular. You're a stand up guy to be the guy screaming at the masses that it's all in their heads and it's not a big deal.

Seems healthy.

 

[Cult of the Ocelot]

Sure. Why not. Or Im just someone who, when interested in something, would like to see a little proof.

The internet has, from time to time, been known to exaggerate things. Just a little.

BTW, Im off to research the latest Bigfoot video release so I may be a while before I can respond again.

You are on the internet, the burden of proof no longer applies to those that make a claim. You gotta disprove it; this here is Klingon court.

 

[Bobbryan2]

You are on the internet, the burden of proof no longer applies to those that make a claim. You gotta disprove it; this here is Klingon court.

Is Klingon court the one where some self-righteous person interjects himself into an argument with a customer and a business, and starts demanding proof of each of their claims like he's some sort of arbiter?

I don't remember that episode.

 

[Rusty_helmet]

Let's get this through your heads. We don't have to answer to anyone, much less you approve our caches. We decide. It's our stuff. Get that through your heads.

This is a problem SSG created. It's up to them to fix it.

I'm so glad I haven't bought the xpack yet. My VIP expires in August. SSG better get off their asses and do something.

You have a choice. Don’t clear out and lose it or never transfer and let your toon be deleted. Excited to hear your choice!

Also what server are you headed to? I would love to know.

 

[Cult of the Ocelot]

Is Klingon court the one where some self-righteous person interjects himself into an argument with a customer and a business, and starts demanding proof of each of their claims like he's some sort of arbiter?

I don't remember that episode.

Just the general concept of a claim being assumed true and then having to disprove it, rather than prove it. I thought I'd try some humor, my bad, I will cease.

I don't know where the call of "self-righteousness" is coming from, but if it's directed at me, let me clarify my position again:

1 - SSG told everyone that TR caches would transfer. For everyone who generally prepped for the transfer by TRing to make item moves easier, I feel for you. Seriously, I do. The sudden change in guidance last min before transfers open isn't a great look and it creates a serious bind for lvl 1 characters with no favor-gained space in bag and bank.
2 - On top of that is just additional commentary that there are a lot of people who absolutely do hold on to a bunch of items that sit in the TR cache until they empty it just to TR and move them back into the TR cache. This doesn't invalidate point 1, but point 2 is a choice a player makes that will make dealing with point 1 harder. Can this be eased by some action from SSG? Probably, but I am not going to assume they're going to do anything or nothing until I know for certain otherwise.
3 - Suggesting that you may not need all the items that you do hold onto is still an option, however you may feel about it. It's an exercise I went through myself as the shared bank kept expanding. There was so much stuff I realized I kept around for sentimental or "just-in-case" reasons, but I've been taking time now and then to clear all that stuff out. This made dealing with point 1 pretty trivial.

This is just my perspective and it's an option. If you don't like it, ok. If you want to keep collecting everything, ok. With all choices come consequences. I may find I have to farm a piece of gear later that I chucked or ate, and you may find you have to delete or sell something you're holding onto. IDK what to tell you, the inventory system in this game sucks and we're all just rolling with it the best we can.

 

[Epicsoul]

I don't understand the need to TR specifically to store something

I’m not sure how else to explain it. But honestly, that specific part of my example doesn’t even matter for the core point to be true. Even if someone TR’d purely for the sake of leveling, this forced transfer means they’ll have to empty their TR cache into their inventory and bank. That alone creates multiple issues, almost regardless of how many items they have.

 

[Cmecu]

IM sure others have wasted gobs of time organizing mules, logging in and out trying ot find something.
What a HUGE quality of life to have stuff organized in a shared bank with customizable tabs to organize it all.

BTC needs to be something of the past, we seriously need to stop making items BTC. There is no reason to even have items BTC. Imagine freeing up a TR cache full of BTC items.

 

[Seppi Pearlsmith]

I cant see anything from the VoD list that I can imagine using over other endgame raid alternatives. Especially now with Sun/Moon slots letting you fit in secondary and tertiary set bonuses far more easily.

The obsolescence window in DDO is very narrow, more narrow than many people seem to think. You'll see people constantly complaining that they spend time and money grinding and rerolling for items in the new pack, only to have them become obsolete when the next expansion hits...but then when it comes time to clear the stash, those items suddenly have perceived value again.

I dont mean to single you out personally here, you're just providing a lot of common arguments to be countered

Here's the thing, not everyone's situation is the same. You assume I am from one of the major timezones so I can access raids like you can access hamburgers. And VoD was an example. There are plenty raids I cannot solo. So I hold onto the gear I have.
If they stop the silly BtC gear TR cache will become a non-issue and I will have no TR cache.

 

[Pineapple]

I’m not sure how else to explain it. But honestly, that specific part of my example doesn’t even matter for the core point to be true. Even if someone TR’d purely for the sake of leveling, this forced transfer means they’ll have to empty their TR cache into their inventory and bank. That alone creates multiple issues, almost regardless of how many items they have.

To me it's a pretty important distinction because if it's not to "prepare to transfer" based on the instructions that SSG put out then, while it can be an unfortunate situation for someone who did TR to start another life, I don't think it's SSGs fault in that case.

Whereas if a part of their instructions was about getting everything into your TR cache to prepare for the transfer then it would be their fault, and they should fix it.

As it is, I understand the issue, and it's really bad timing for some people, I don't think it should be SSGs priority to fix ahead of getting the new servers up and transfers open for everyone else.

 

[Bobbryan2]

Just the general concept of a claim being assumed true and then having to disprove it, rather than prove it. I thought I'd try some humor, my bad, I will cease.

I don't know where the call of "self-righteousness" is coming from, but if it's directed at me, let me clarify my position again:

1 - SSG told everyone that TR caches would transfer. For everyone who generally prepped for the transfer by TRing to make item moves easier, I feel for you. Seriously, I do. The sudden change in guidance last min before transfers open isn't a great look and it creates a serious bind for lvl 1 characters with no favor-gained space in bag and bank.
2 - On top of that is just additional commentary that there are a lot of people who absolutely do hold on to a bunch of items that sit in the TR cache until they empty it just to TR and move them back into the TR cache. This doesn't invalidate point 1, but point 2 is a choice a player makes that will make dealing with point 1 harder. Can this be eased by some action from SSG? Probably, but I am not going to assume they're going to do anything or nothing until I know for certain otherwise.
3 - Suggesting that you may not need all the items that you do hold onto is still an option, however you may feel about it. It's an exercise I went through myself as the shared bank kept expanding. There was so much stuff I realized I kept around for sentimental or "just-in-case" reasons, but I've been taking time now and then to clear all that stuff out. This made dealing with point 1 pretty trivial.

This is just my perspective and it's an option. If you don't like it, ok. If you want to keep collecting everything, ok. With all choices come consequences. I may find I have to farm a piece of gear later that I chucked or ate, and you may find you have to delete or sell something you're holding onto. IDK what to tell you, the inventory system in this game sucks and we're all just rolling with it the best we can.

I think that people should really know more about the game before lecturing others about their 'hoarding' habits.
Telling people to flood their inventories so they can't pick anything up is not a workable solution. Telling people to delete their inventories in order to transfer is the equivalent of losing a bunch of inventory in the transfer, but SSG is letting you have Sophie's Choice first.

I think that if your opinion is to minimize people's struggles, and emphasize how their own actions led them here, then you're actually not being helpful, and only serving to antagonize people.

FYI, the self-righteous comment was not towards you, but to the person you were responding to.

 

[Bobbryan2]

To me it's a pretty important distinction because if it's not to "prepare to transfer" based on the instructions that SSG put out then, while it can be an unfortunate situation for someone who did TR to start another life, I don't think it's SSGs fault in that case.

Whereas if a part of their instructions was about getting everything into your TR cache to prepare for the transfer then it would be their fault, and they should fix it.

As it is, I understand the issue, and it's really bad timing for some people, I don't think it should be SSGs priority to fix ahead of getting the new servers up and transfers open for everyone else.

But there are lots of reasons by emptying your TR cache is not optimal.
Maybe you have 300 items in there, and you weren't planning on TRing until a new class or race came out, because you are CAPPED. You're forcing that character to farm a heart and grind out 12 million more XP for no reason other than getting his inventory back.
Now... let's consider someone that has grinded out MAX FAVOR. Now you're telling that person that they have to take an unnecessary TR and then grind out all that favor again... Just in order to use your inventory again.

 

[Cult of the Ocelot]

I think that people should really know more about the game before lecturing others about their 'hoarding' habits.
Telling people to flood their inventories so they can't pick anything up is not a workable solution. Telling people to delete their inventories in order to transfer is the equivalent of losing a bunch of inventory in the transfer, but SSG is letting you have Sophie's Choice first.

I think that if your opinion is to minimize people's struggles, and emphasize how their own actions led them here, then you're actually not being helpful, and only serving to antagonize people.

FYI, the self-righteous comment was not towards you, but to the person you were responding to.

You're right, I am brand new to this game and have no experience with it, therefore I am not qualified to have an opinion. Especially if it differs from yours.

Calling it Sophie's Choice is just...a wild comparison.

I did have point 1 that recognizes the situation but I'm merely posting my perspective and an option. I am not willing to accept that the *only option* is to continually increase storage as that's always just a stopgap for a different problem.

 

[Bobbryan2]

You're right, I am brand new to this game and have no experience with it, therefore I am not qualified to have an opinion. Especially if it differs from yours.

Calling it Sophie's Choice is just...a wild comparison.

I did have point 1 that recognizes the situation but I'm merely posting my perspective and an option. I am not willing to accept that the *only option* is to continually increase storage as that's always just a stopgap for a different problem.

Uh... deciding which inventory to destroy or SSG is going to destroy something on their own is a pretty good Sophie's Choice analogy?
If the transfer necessitates losing inventory, then it's a pretty awful transfer. It's, by definition, one of the worst things that can happen to characters during transfers.

 

[Cult of the Ocelot]

Uh... deciding which inventory to destroy or SSG is going to destroy something on their own is a pretty good Sophie's Choice analogy?
If the transfer necessitates losing inventory, then it's a pretty awful transfer. It's, by definition, one of the worst things that can happen to characters during transfers.

Yes, deleting a digital item is akin to choosing which of your children dies.

Ok, I'm out. There's...there's nothing more to see here, folks.

 

[Bobbryan2]

Yes, deleting a digital item is akin to choosing which of your children dies.

Ok, I'm out. There's...there's nothing more to see here, folks.

Yes, it's an apt comparison. Feigned moral affront is not an argument against its validity.

 

[Teh_Troll]

Seems most of the complaints wrt. the TR cache are a result of people hoarding items. Item count bloat is a problem in many games, not just DDO. There seems to be something in the psyche of people that causes them to accumulate "junk".. not just in games, but real life as well.

I do agree that BTC should go away, it would help, but so should many other things. Spell components for example, imo, should be removed. So should all the +x arrows of acid , etc.. Many things should go away and it would probably have a substantially good benefit to the game.

So, my advice : clean your room. Feed/sell/destroy the stuff you are never going to use, ever. Most of what you're holding onto is stuff you're never going to use. Ever.

"Tell me you have a low IQ without telling me you have a low IQ."

 

[Teh_Troll]

Yes, deleting a digital item is akin to choosing which of your children dies.

Ok, I'm out. There's...there's nothing more to see here, folks.

My digital items are more important to me than your children are.

It's all a matter of perspective.

 

[zandoe]

The zillion items are just ment to be looked at. In extreme cases you can equip them at max for the duration of the quest