Item hoarding

[Bobbryan2]

So much this. That’s why the way this discussion has gone is so frustrating. The constant use of straw man arguments (e.g. “do you really need 500 spaces?”) deliberately misrepresents the situation for the majority of people. Players are being called hoarders, entitled, or irrational for simply using systems the game itself encourages.

That’s gaslighting, plain and simple. It shifts blame away from the last-minute, contradictory decisions made by SSG and puts it on players for adapting to a system that.

Just to be clear, this won’t really be a problem for me. I run a tight ship when it comes to inventory and TR planning. I also purchase every single bank space both shared and character that becomes available because I'm a complete loser. But I recognize that’s not everyone’s playstyle, and for a lot of players, this will cause real issues.

You can personally be unaffected and still understand that this situation is unfair and that the response from some in the community has been dismissive at best or deliberately gaslighting.

It's just a few people that are trolling everyone else, to be fair.
There IS a segment that likes to reflexively be against anyone they perceive as complaining... but even most of them are annoyed they have to clean out their TR caches on every character.

So...

 

[LokiFrost]

So much this. That’s why the way this discussion has gone is so frustrating. The constant use of straw man arguments (e.g. “do you really need 500 spaces?”) deliberately misrepresents the situation for the majority of people. Players are being called hoarders, entitled, or irrational for simply using systems the game itself encourages.

That’s gaslighting, plain and simple. It shifts blame away from the last-minute, contradictory decisions made by SSG and puts it on players for adapting to a system that.

Just to be clear, this won’t really be a problem for me. I run a tight ship when it comes to inventory and TR planning. I also purchase every single bank space both shared and character that becomes available because I'm a complete loser. But I recognize that’s not everyone’s playstyle, and for a lot of players, this will cause real issues.

You can personally be unaffected and still understand that this situation is unfair and that the response from some in the community has been dismissive at best or deliberately gaslighting.

ABSOLUTELY THIS

 

[Lichcrak]

So much this. That’s why the way this discussion has gone is so frustrating. The constant use of straw man arguments (e.g. “do you really need 500 spaces?”) deliberately misrepresents the situation for the majority of people. Players are being called hoarders, entitled, or irrational for simply using systems the game itself encourages.

That’s gaslighting, plain and simple. It shifts blame away from the last-minute, contradictory decisions made by SSG and puts it on players for adapting to a system that.

Just to be clear, this won’t really be a problem for me. I run a tight ship when it comes to inventory and TR planning. I also purchase every single bank space both shared and character that becomes available because I'm a complete loser. But I recognize that’s not everyone’s playstyle, and for a lot of players, this will cause real issues.

You can personally be unaffected and still understand that this situation is unfair and that the response from some in the community has been dismissive at best or deliberately gaslighting.

Why doesn't Cordovan moderate the forums like the discord?

Cordovan — Yesterday at 5:42 PM
Basically if you decide to disrupt this Discord in the coming days with fighting or insults or trolling, you can expect to get a timeout far enough out that this Discord can be focused on helping players, answering questions, and engaging in the rest of chat while this opening happens. So, be a jerk, we'll probably see you on Monday at the earliest.

Cordovan
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Not to say controversy isn't fine, that'll certainly be a part of the conversation, but back and forth fighting over who is being more whiny is not going to end well for any participant.

 

[Minako]

I am not saying the devs are in the right. They promised you something, hyped it up and then yanked it out from under you. Calling you horders is not "othering" you. Anyone who plays ANY mmo for long enough turns into a horder. If you had ten thousand personal bank spaces per char and a ten thousand shared spaces you would fill them. That is the nature of the beast. You should see my retainers on ff 14 at the end of an expansion. Tossing stuff in there that I will use when I level X class, I never level X class. That stuff just clutters up my bank / retainers.

The yanking of everything the character owns into a cache dosen't make sense to me honestly. Why not leave your bank alone? Just toss whatever is actually equiped into the cache, which you can then dump in your bank when you get your level 1 stuff out.

 

[Anurakh]

I am not saying the devs are in the right. They promised you something, hyped it up and then yanked it out from under you. Calling you horders is not "othering" you. Anyone who plays ANY mmo for long enough turns into a horder. If you had ten thousand personal bank spaces per char and a ten thousand shared spaces you would fill them. That is the nature of the beast. You should see my retainers on ff 14 at the end of an expansion. Tossing stuff in there that I will use when I level X class, I never level X class. That stuff just clutters up my bank / retainers.

The yanking of everything the character owns into a cache dosen't make sense to me honestly. Why not leave your bank alone? Just toss whatever is actually equiped into the cache, which you can then dump in your bank when you get your level 1 stuff out.

Because this game doesn't work that way. Each reincarnation requires different gear. We also have items of different levels. Although most BTC gear is raid sets and weapons and swap items for the end game, for different classes or different playstyles.

You're new. You don't play like the endgame crew. That's fine, but you should respect those of us who play differently. And I've been here 14 years, at least a little of respect and don't think you know more than those of us who have been here for years and have items.

 

[Minako]

You cannot in any way combine gear? For every class you have to have a completely and utterly different set every five levels. I am not being disrespectful. It just dosen't make sense that you can't combine your off parts like goggles and rings on similar classes. Sure maybe you need a different weapon set depending on if you are two handed or an archer or spell caster. A cleric would have different stats on his plate mail then a fighter sure, but you can't combine any of it? Just trying to understand.

 

[ozmarddo]

I'm a recovering hoarder and slowly have been cleaning house. At one point had it in my head to collect every named item like a kid filling out a sticker book. Then one TR cache cleaning and bank mule shuffling, I realized that I don't collect physical objects... so why am I collecting digital objects that can be deleted on a capitalist whim. Leaving me with what? Screenshots?

So I've slowly been feeding gems to get down to 5/15/20/29/cap gear. If I knew for certain legendary resurrection wasn't ever going to be a thing, I would get rid of 29. Also keeping a handful of utility items and bis stuff not at those levels.

Don't need to over think leveling gear with how easy R1 is. Also don't need to farm mythic/reaper gear if you run R10s in a group, maybe they help R10 solo runs? I also don't push raid, so I don't need prefect gearing with perfect curses either.

This has made TR cache clearing and bank mule gear swapping take significantly less time for me, which I value more than stuff.

But that's how I play the game and others... you do you for what makes the game enjoyable.

This is the way!

-Ozmar the Mandalorian

 

[Anurakh]

You cannot in any way combine gear? For every class you have to have a completely and utterly different set every five levels. I am not being disrespectful. It just dosen't make sense that you can't combine your off parts like goggles and rings on similar classes. Sure maybe you need a different weapon set depending on if you are two handed or an archer or spell caster. A cleric would have different stats on his plate mail then a fighter sure, but you can't combine any of it? Just trying to understand.

Please read my posts. Most of the gear is endgame.

And second, why do you feel entitled to give me advice when you have no gaming experience?

Please, I don't want advice on how I should get rid of my items. I don't want it. Mind your own business.

 

[Anurakh]

So much this. That’s why the way this discussion has gone is so frustrating. The constant use of straw man arguments (e.g. “do you really need 500 spaces?”) deliberately misrepresents the situation for the majority of people. Players are being called hoarders, entitled, or irrational for simply using systems the game itself encourages.

That’s gaslighting, plain and simple. It shifts blame away from the last-minute, contradictory decisions made by SSG and puts it on players for adapting to a system that.

Just to be clear, this won’t really be a problem for me. I run a tight ship when it comes to inventory and TR planning. I also purchase every single bank space both shared and character that becomes available because I'm a complete loser. But I recognize that’s not everyone’s playstyle, and for a lot of players, this will cause real issues.

You can personally be unaffected and still understand that this situation is unfair and that the response from some in the community has been dismissive at best or deliberately gaslighting.

For me, the problem isn't that I can't clear the cache; I TR frequently, it's something I can do perfectly well. My problem is that once I clear the cache, I have to TR, and I don't want to do so many TRs all at once. That wasn't in my plans. It's summer. I don't have that much time to play, and I don't want to spend it leveling TRs, but rather raiding and reapers.

It's about being forced to do something I don't want to do. Not right now.

And I also have to farm the tokens, and that's boring xD.

If they had told me this ahead of time, I would have been able to leave everything even more tied up. But saying this without time to fix anything? With my main having just returned to her end-game build after dhampir lives, I have to level her up to reincarnate her again with no benefit? Doing TRs with all my alts?

It's not that I don't have room to clear the cache. They force me to do TR when I DON'T want to do TR. Not just now. Not all toons at same time!

 

[Minako]

Feel free to ignore me. That's fine. I have only been on this game for a year so what? I have probably been gaming in general longer then you have been alive. Once again, so what? I am trying to understand the peoples complaints here beyond the devs said this and now say that and I am mad. How is that entiitlement?

 

[Anurakh]

Feel free to ignore me. That's fine. I have only been on this game for a year so what? I have probably been gaming in general longer then you have been alive. Once again, so what? I am trying to understand the peoples complaints here beyond the devs said this and now say that and I am mad. How is that entiitlement?

I don't care how long you've played other games. You're new to this game, and yet you feel free to criticize how those of us who've been here 14 years or more play. Understand that this doesn't feel right.

If we have items and want to keep them, maybe it's for a reason. Has it occurred to you that we could be using them, just not playing like you?

What bothers me is the intransigence of comments like yours criticizing the way we play of people who have spent more on this game than you can imagine, keeping it afloat. Since yesterday, I've been listening to one comment after another like yours, judging, criticizing, doubting. Enough already. Not everyone plays the same way. I respect your way of playing. Now, mind your own business and don't judge others.

If you're as grown up as your comment implies, you'll recognize that this is the most sensible and socially responsible position. Respect others.

 

[Minako]

I haven't been disrespectful at all. I am also wanting to find a soloution that helps everyone. You want to be angry at me cool. You do that. I am not going to just shut up though. If you don't like what I have to say you are, as I said free to ignore my posts. That's fine. If they bother you so much you are encouraged to do so.

Wouldn't you like to have less of an inventory that you HAVE to keep because whatever you are playing next needs it? Wouldn't you like to consolidate things down some? Wouldn't it be nice to have this game go through an item pass over so we can just not worry about collecting junk? See of we can get alternative ways of getting items beyond ransack a chest and pray I get it?

 

[Pineapple]

I haven't been disrespectful at all. I am also wanting to find a soloution that helps everyone. You want to be angry at me cool. You do that.

It's very clear there are some people here that just want to be angry. At first these threads had productive suggestions for how people can mitigate the issues with having so many items, but these were met with vitriol and demands for compensation of 300+ personal bank slots, 2 heroic and epic ottos on every character and much more

Some people are sadly beyond helping.

 

[LokiFrost]

Why doesn't Cordovan moderate the forums like the discord?

Cordovan — Yesterday at 5:42 PM
Basically if you decide to disrupt this Discord in the coming days with fighting or insults or trolling, you can expect to get a timeout far enough out that this Discord can be focused on helping players, answering questions, and engaging in the rest of chat while this opening happens. So, be a jerk, we'll probably see you on Monday at the earliest.

Cordovan
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Not to say controversy isn't fine, that'll certainly be a part of the conversation, but back and forth fighting over who is being more whiny is not going to end well for any participant.

I suspect he does, but you/we just don't see it. He does not advertise time outs, post deletion of closing, permabans, etc...they just happen.
Of course, I could be way off base, it's just my gut feeling

~Loki

 

[Anurakh]

I haven't been disrespectful at all. I am also wanting to find a soloution that helps everyone. You want to be angry at me cool. You do that. I am not going to just shut up though. If you don't like what I have to say you are, as I said free to ignore my posts. That's fine. If they bother you so much you are encouraged to do so.

Wouldn't you like to have less of an inventory that you HAVE to keep because whatever you are playing next needs it? Wouldn't you like to consolidate things down some? Wouldn't it be nice to have this game go through an item pass over so we can just not worry about collecting junk? See of we can get alternative ways of getting items beyond ransack a chest and pray I get it?

I'm not going to delete anything just because you, who play differently than me, think I don't need so many items. It's none of your business. You have no idea how other people play, and yet you feel morally superior enough to criticize others. And I'm not just saying this to you. You're just the latest in a long line of smart alecks who think they're smarter than everyone else and actually come off as narcissistic myopes. Not everyone plays like you. Understand this, all of you who seem to know more than everyone else.

And yes, I want an inventory pass in this game. We have this problem because SSG has been procrastinating on inventory issues since they took over the company, and Turbine did the same before them. Of course, a storage pass is necessary. But that has nothing to do with us and our raid items, and on top of that, having to put up with smart alecks who think they know everything but know nothing telling us that our way of playing is wrong. Do you realize how arrogant that is?

Yes, don't be silent. Keep believing you know more than everyone else and that your way of playing is the only valid one. That's very mature and adult.

I've helped you with your questions, and I've answered them gladly and patiently. But now you come here and tell me that I have to delete raid items? What are you up to?

 

[Alternative]

Always funny to so people acting like ssg employees, taking pride in doing the "work". Maybe one of you finally wins employee of the month award.

Now let us, customers, play the way we want.

 

[Fhrek]

"Oh nooo... those hoarders pilling up item for no reason at all"

The game has a severe lack of real updates for the storage system. The same storage system implemented way before MoTU... how many years is it? An Era when the game had what 10 classes and 8 races, no iconics or archetypes or Epics levels (I mean a leveling system beyond 20) or Legendaries.

Now the game has sooooo many leveling (Heroic, Epic, Legendary, Reaper, Guild), the TR Hamster wheel is crazy (a new person without investing a bunch load of money would take years to get all pastlives avaliable - isn't necessary, but if she/he wanted it).

The fact is... the Storage System don't offers support to the designed gameplay loop of the game.

 

[Minako]

I have not told you how you are playing is wrong and honestly I am done trying to have a proper conversation with you. Go ahead, be mad. Hate everyone because the game screwed you over. It's not my fault SSG did this to you. It's not my fault the transfer program can't handle the cache of 100+ items. It is not my fault you sucked up everything but the stones on the dungeon floor. I want you to be able to bring as much as you can to the new servers.

I must, unfortunatly follow my own advice and mute you. When you are over your mad maybe then we can see if there is a way to get what you want.

 

[Zretch]

Not only does the game encourage gear acquisition, but it discourages ever getting rid of end game gear. How?

Do you forget the rebalance pass that normalized stats across end game gear? Gear that wasn't relevant became relevant.
Do you forget the essence augments that were added to the game that required raid gear from prior expansions to make? People who deleted ravenloft raid gear weren't too happy that they could have converted them to augments had they just held on to them longer.
Do you forget the scroll/seal/whatever change that allowed you to take completely worthless stacks of fragments you received from various quests and convert them into runes for acquiring new gear?

It's a live service game that has altered gear as well as come up with new systems for past gear, and will likely continue to do so. They actively dis-incent us to get rid of things because you never know when they'll drop something new that will utilize that old equipment.

Change all raid gear and minor artifacts to BtA and all of this goes away in an instant. BtC is the problem, I have exactly 0 BtA items in any of my TR caches because I've already put all of that in the shared bank or on bank toons. The only things I need to worry about are BtC items, and those are the only items I can't just re-farm up myself as needed because they're all raid items. Make them BtA and I'll just move them off to a few Raid Gear bank toons, probably spend more money on expanded slots for those toons, and call it good.

 

[Anurakh]

I don't hate anyone, Minako. I'm just tired of reading people who play differently, judging people who play the endgame and have stored items. It's so tiring. Can't you understand that? Oh, but I remind you that you're new and may not understand how we play, that pisses you off. But if you tell me I accumulate too much and give me useless advice to delete items, that's fine.

Minako, it's tiring. Respect that there are people who have items and don't want to delete them. You have no reason to judge or advise them to delete items.

And I didn't say that SSG's glitch is your fault. What I'm saying is that you're criticizing those of us who own items and advising us to reduce our inventory. You say you don't criticize. Yes, you have. And so has done other people, in this and other threads.

Relax, I'm not going to post you anymore. I just hope that at least you realize that not everyone plays like you and that you have to respect those who play differently.