I was seriously considering taking that, but it really felt like it would be a significant speed loss going down to 20% (near half). Not really sure here tbh. Can't math this one out: would you mind expounding on why you feel it would be stronger?
I'm currently planning to take Patience on all my SWF alts, since their speed without haste boost is 45%. On them, the 10% reduction would seem to feel less impactful.
Ops, copied and pasted the wrong info for crush weakness in that post, thanks for pointing it out. Fixed.
The bonus was in the correct section of the main post.
I was seriously considering taking that, but it really felt like it would be a significant speed loss going down to 20% (near half). Not really sure here tbh. Can't math this one out: would you mind expounding on why you feel it would be stronger?
I'm currently planning to take Patience on all my SWF alts, since their speed without haste boost is 45%. On them, the 10% reduction would seem to feel less impactful.
Your attack speed starts at a certain value for your BaB, that's 100%. Then your attack speed boosts are a 30% boost on top of that—i.e. you now attack at 130% speed. Going to 120% instead means you're attacking at 92% of the speed you were before, but going from 16-20x3, 19-20x5 to 16-20x4, 19-20x6 is a 15% increase in average damage per swing, for an approximately 6% net increase in damage.
Your attack speed starts at a certain value for your BaB, that's 100%. Then your attack speed boosts are a 30% boost on top of that—i.e. you now attack at 130% speed. Going to 120% instead means you're attacking at 92% of the speed you were before, but going from 16-20x3, 19-20x5 to 16-20x4, 19-20x6 is a 15% increase in average damage per swing, for an approximately 6% net increase in damage.
Thanks for the explanation, I can see what you mean now.
Though I have 12 charges of haste boost, it doesn't last for every encounter, so I tend not to count them in calculations for 'regular' DPS. More like extra bursts of speed on some occasions, but always for boss fights (I tend to save 3-4 charges for them).
So, if we don't count haste boost, would you still consider it worth it?
I also scroll Tensers pretty frequently, to boost my BAB to 25. I'm not familiar with the specifics ref BAB and speed: I suppose my knowledge is similar to what's in the wiki: It determines player attack speed:
For melee weapons, attack speed increases at BAB 1, 3, 5, 10, 15, 20, and 25. ... classes with full BAB attack slightly faster
So you mentioned BAB 20 = 100% speed (if I understood it right). How about BAB 25 (since the wiki says its faster at full BAB)?
Also, if you don't mind, could you share where you get this info (if it's in the wiki somewhere I haven't seen). Thanks
Never mind the above, forgot about Flurry of Blows making BAB progress like a Fighter: been a long day lol
Thanks for the explanation, I can see what you mean now.
Though I have 12 charges of haste boost, it doesn't last for every encounter, so I tend not to count them in calculations for 'regular' DPS. More like extra bursts of speed on some occasions, but always for boss fights (I tend to save 3-4 charges for them).
So, if we don't count haste boost, would you still consider it worth it?
I also scroll Tensers pretty frequently, to boost my BAB to 25. I'm not familiar with the specifics ref BAB and speed: I suppose my knowledge is similar to what's in the wiki: It determines player attack speed:
For melee weapons, attack speed increases at BAB 1, 3, 5, 10, 15, 20, and 25. ... classes with full BAB attack slightly faster
So you mentioned BAB 20 = 100% speed (if I understood it right). How about BAB 25 (since the wiki says its faster at full BAB)?
Also, if you don't mind, could you share where you get this info (if it's in the wiki somewhere I haven't seen). Thanks
Never mind the above, forgot about Flurry of Blows: been a long day lol
That post doesn't count haste boost! It's also not that BaB 20=100% speed. It's that you have some attack animation that's 100% speed=0% attack speed bonus. (You can verify this by taking off all attack speed bonuses, and noticing that you still attack at some speed). Then there are typed bonuses to attack speed—combat style, haste boost, enhancement, etc. Quarterstaff gets 30% (15% combat style+15% enhancement) before haste boost. With patience, you're at only 20%. 30% attack speed *bonus* is equal to 1.3x normal attack speed, whereas 20% attack speed bonus is equal to 1.2x normal attack speed, so you're attacking at 1.2/1.3=0.92x the rate.
Your attack speed starts at a certain value for your BaB, that's 100%. Then your attack speed boosts are a 30% boost on top of that—i.e. you now attack at 130% speed. Going to 120% instead means you're attacking at 92% of the speed you were before, but going from 16-20x3, 19-20x5 to 16-20x4, 19-20x6 is a 15% increase in average damage per swing, for an approximately 6% net increase in damage.
Just to refer back to what I meant ref the loss:
+15% enhancement bonus to speed (item)
+15% from Henshin C6
= 30% (assuming this is on top of the 100% you said, since that's that 'base' speed, based on full BAB).
Losing 10% is almost like going back to 15%, which is what most non SWF styles have. It's what I meant for losing nearly half the bonus.
That post doesn't count haste boost! It's also not that BaB 20=100% speed. It's that you have some attack animation that's 100% speed=0% attack speed bonus. (You can verify this by taking off all attack speed bonuses, and noticing that you still attack at some speed). Then there are typed bonuses to attack speed—combat style, haste boost, enhancement, etc. Quarterstaff gets 30% (15% combat style+15% enhancement) before haste boost. With patience, you're at only 20%. 30% attack speed *bonus* is equal to 1.3x normal attack speed, whereas 20% attack speed bonus is equal to 1.2x normal attack speed, so you're attacking at 1.2/1.3=0.92x the rate.
Thanks. So yah, we seem to be talking about the same thing. I mentioned my bonus speed (30%, no haste boost) going down to 20% (which felt like nearly half). It's not half, but seemed significant, without properly doing the maths.
I think I'll give Patience a go and see if I feel a bit too slow: 30% bonus speed makes staff monk very nice.
Thanks for taking the time to make the suggestion and the explanations, sorry for the confusion
Thanks. So yah, we seem to be talking about the same thing. I mentioned my bonus speed (30%, no haste boost) going down to 20% (which felt looked nearly half). It's not half, but seems significant.
I think I'll give Patience a go and see if I feel a bit too slow: 30% speed makes staff monk very nice.
Thanks for taking the time to make the suggestion and the explanations, sorry for the confusion
Your attack speed starts at a certain value for your BaB, that's 100%. Then your attack speed boosts are a 30% boost on top of that—i.e. you now attack at 130% speed. Going to 120% instead means you're attacking at 92% of the speed you were before, but going from 16-20x3, 19-20x5 to 16-20x4, 19-20x6 is a 15% increase in average damage per swing, for an approximately 6% net increase in damage.
Some info on how incorporeality (e.g. Ghostly) and concealment (e.g. Blur and Displacement) are reduced in reaper mode.
My understanding is that this info is based on player testing, not officially from the Devs. Info below (inc link) from the DDO Wiki:
> Improved Evasion
{on successful Reflex save: no dmg, instead of half dmg}
{on failed Reflex save: only half dmg, instead of full dmg}
> Monk (auto-granted class feat @lvl 9)
> No auto fail Reflex saves on rolling 1
> Shadowdancer's 'The Darkest Luck [C3]'
> Deflect Arrows(1 projectile every 6s)
> GMoF's 'Deflection [T2]'
> Damage Reduction
> Enhanced MRR Cap = 80
Base cap (outfits)
> 50
Heroic
> +5: Henshin Mystic's 'Self Defense [T5]'
Epic Destinies
> +10: GMoF's 'Disciple of Philosophy [C4]'
> +15: GMoF's 'Beyond the Center [T5]'
>Energy Absorption
Heroic Enhancements
>+25% {Negative}: Vistani's 'Mist Stalker I [T1]' {permanent}
Airship buffs
>+15% {Fire}: 'Sign of the Silver Flame' {permanent}
>+15% {Acid & Cold}: 'Shrine to the Devourer' {permanent}
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