Let's ask the folks here on the forum

[Lazuli]

I think you are trying to speak for other players, where as I an speaking for myself as a permadeath player and as well for many of my guildies that are very happy to be on the regular servers.

and….

I am pretty sure if I asked around that many of the permadeathers would be offended by you trying to segregate us off to our own island, thats very inappropriate of you, we could say the same thing lets create a new server for people that want to play non permadeath and never have any hardcore events.


i an going to ask around and will let you know what the permadeathers think about your idea to segregate us.

It's not inappropriate. Permadeath players continually complain that non-permadeath players play carelessly that puts you in danger, etc. And you would have more people with whom to play with your same style. It's a win-win.

Your attitude seems to indicate that you only want the cosmetics to show off how cool you are playing permadeath. Not that that impresses the rest of us, you know. I have gotten every harcore reward I have wanted to get. The style of play simply bores me to death and I don't see why they have to impose it on me. Permadeath server for permadeath players is the perfect solution, and it's something other permadeath players have asked for repeatedly.

 

[Smokewolf]

It's not inappropriate. Permadeath players continually complain that non-permadeath players play carelessly that puts you in danger, etc. And you would have more people with whom to play with your same style. It's a win-win.

Your attitude seems to indicate that you only want the cosmetics to show off how cool you are playing permadeath. Not that that impresses the rest of us, you know. I have gotten every harcore reward I have wanted to get. The style of play simply bores me to death and I don't see why they have to impose it on me. Permadeath server for permadeath players is the perfect solution, and it's something other permadeath players have asked for repeatedly.

I beleive that primarily HC or PD players should stay in their own lanes, if they're so afraid of one bad player ruining their day. Otherwise, DDO is DDO and death is apart of the experience.

 

[Solarpower]

I think the rewards are actually the problem.

There should not be any rewards.
If HC-players like Hardcore so much as they claim, they should be glad that the HC server exists, that's all they need.

The very existance of the rewards shows that either "hardcore players" don't actually like hardcore or (despite their shameless ads on the forum ) there are not enough hardcore players to fill the hardcore servers and the devs had to create additional rewards to lure players in. Or both.

 

[Lazuli]

I beleive that primarily HC or PD players should stay in their own lanes, if they're so afraid of one bad player ruining their day. Otherwise, DDO is DDO and death is apart of the experience.

I don't care if they are on a separate server or on the same as the rest, I simply want the devs to not impose that style of play on me.

If they don't want their own server, then the same cosmetics for everyone with a pride mark for the permadeath, like in the lantern event. More obvious brand to show off their playstyle, i don't mind. This way they wouldn't have to impose the permadeath-farming gear-new mule on us just to get a cosmetic.

But no, some of them don't want their own server, nor do they want the same rewards as everyone else, but they are okay with imposing their style of play on those of us who don't like it. And they still complain that non-hardcore players play sloppily. Come on.

I just want that style of play not to be imposed on me. Don't make me create a new mule every event. Don't make me farm equipment I already have. Don't let them force me to interrupt my gaming routine. I would much rather do the event in r10 (as I did with the summer lutes) than with a stupid mule with permadeath rules.

SSG should respect the majority. So either their own server, or the same rewards as everyone with a pride mark. They are already playing the way they like. It doesn't have to be imposed on everyone.

 

[Abax11]

Didn' try playing HC here because of the usually awful performance, but this "new" HC is not even HC, yes you cannot die but you can simply play with all your SC friend, get carried, even farm your items with a safe SC toon at cap and then use it on you HC toon. I couldn't feel this as a HC experience or challenge.

btw i can't wait for the stupid item border to get rid forever, is a pain to double check everything on every endchest and is just horrible to see

 

[Lazuli]

Didn' try playing HC here because of the usually awful performance, but this "new" HC is not even HC, yes you cannot die but you can simply play with all your SC friend, get carried, even farm your items with a safe SC toon at cap and then use it on you HC toon. I couldn't feel this as a HC experience or challenge.

btw i can't wait for the stupid item border to get rid forever, is a pain to double check everything on every endchest and is just horrible to see

Well, not all people have done that, but it doesn't matter. In this thread there are people like the narc saying that the rules should be tightened so that everyone has to play by their stupid permadeath rules, this event is not enough for them. It's about them wanting to impose their style of play on everyone.

It's also that many of us don't want to make a new mule for a stupid event. I brought first life lv 4 toons from old secondary servers and I couldn't even use them because it had to be a level 1 character. Come on. It's ridiculous.

That's enough nonsense. We should each be able to play the events as we like, and if permadeath is the cup of tea of a very minority of the population, good for them, let them play as they like. But not that they impose their style of play on the rest of us.

Anyway, this thread asked for our opinion, and that is my opinion. I think these events are garbage because they impose a style of play on us that I don't like, and most of the people I've talked to feel the same way, they despise the winter rules, but they wanted the cosmetics. For us, pure garbage.

I agree on the item border thing.

 

[The Narc2]

Asked around, our guild is happy that we get to play on regular servers.

Keep it that way in our opinion.

also guildies were fine with the softcore summer lutes for easy play, allowing existing toons to assist.

but

for winter lutes the true hard ore bragging rights, SSG should find a way to prevent the mingling of non hard ore toons to carry hardcore toons.

 

[Abax11]

Well, not all people have done that, but it doesn't matter. In this thread there are people like the narc saying that the rules should be tightened so that everyone has to play by their stupid permadeath rules, this event is not enough for them. It's about them wanting to impose their style of play on everyone.

Of course everyone can play wherever they want, if not as i'm imposing rules but that was my personal opinion (which was on topic) and you can do absolutely everything i listed above while you can just start a new toon with no gear and playing solo or with friend or just ignore the event, is how you have fun after all. I'm on the group that this is not a truly HC experience.

 

[Solarpower]

or just ignore the event

You can't ignore this event due to that green border.

 

[Justfungus]

I will acknowledge that there is likely 3 'camps' when your talking about HCL.
There are some who like playing it as long as there are cosmetic items to be won, not so much otherwise.
Then there are the folks that would happily play HCL with cosmetic items or not.
Lastly, there are players that exclusively like the HCL mechanics but would prefer there were no 'special prizes' attached to it.

Most of the folks for a separate HC Server will be in the last 2 groups along with a scattering of non-HCL players that
still support the creation of an exclusive HC Server for various other reasons.

I would say, now if we can get the developers to read this thread ... but by now am pretty sure they have.
So what would it take to motivate SSG to invest some manpower and server resources into creating another server?
The generic HCL structure is likely a cut and paste deal. But I have no idea what the server cost would be.
Well, keep voting and we will see if this idea gets any acknowledgment.

Thanks for everyone's input both for and against.
refreshingly civil of you all

 

[Archest]

a week event on a separate server or a permanent marathon HC server.
a marathon event would encompass few players in the end game. most players would die ad move back to regular game servers so SSG would end up using limited resources for very few end game HC characters to play. [ The server would eventually die from non use].

a limited tournament style HC event to 4 weeks would fill the server for a limited time with the new servers expanded player bases the effect while slowing LFM creation wouldn't kill it as it did on the 32 bit servers as the poll above show some players having no interest in that event.

in ether event, the choice is the players to participate and doesn't force the event style on the entire population.

 

[Lacci]

You can't ignore this event due to that green border.

Can you explain that ? What does that mean ?
I haven´t noticed any difference if I didn´t equip a lute. But then again, I barely played since the event started...

 

[Fhrek]

What does that mean ?

Even if you opt out from using a Lute and play the event, you still have to do with the green fey borders on itens dropped during the event. It is a hassle to sort out what is regular loot from named loot.

There is no option to omit this.

 

[f1b041b3]

Problem with HC is that it splits the player base that would otherwise stay on a normal server. Which is further compounded by the fact that many HC players choose to take a long pause from DDO before returing to normal gaming. Thus noticably impacting the number of players online both during and after HC is over. Effectively leaving the servers largely empty for up to 4-6 months. While sure "prime" hours will have players but its often still a stretch to fill a raid or group.

It's splitting the players, regardless. If someone is grinding lutes on e/r1 on a fresh toon, then they're not on their main running raids or whatever their normal routine is.

 

[Lacci]

Even if you opt out from using a Lute and play the event, you still have to do with the green fey borders on itens dropped during the event. It is a hassle to sort out what is regular loot from named loot.

There is no option to omit this.

Ah, so named items now also have green item borders ?

 

[Fhrek]

Ah, so named items now also have green item borders ?

Yes... with a little green musical note decalc.

 

[Sylvado]

Yeah, if I had a Hallowed Trail drop there is no way I would know it was a named item without seeing the blue border.

 

[Fhrek]

Yeah, if I had a Hallowed Trail drop there is no way I would know it was a named item without seeing the blue border.

I used it as an exemple because was in my inventory already. But, there are a large sort of named itens the icons are identical to regular non-named itens. I'm a loot all guy, but have to keep an eye to filter what I have to sell and what I have to keep (to sentient feed or because I don't have a copy yet). And every vendor run, I check the buy back function to make sure I didn't sell something useful.

 

[Lacci]

Ah well, I usually don´t pay that much attention to the color of the item borders. In that tiny UI it´s barely noticable.
And named items barely drop anyway, so I can still ignore this event.
But as I understood it, only items with that "symphony of the fey" tag are allowed in the "hardcore" part of the event and everyone else can just ignore it, right ?

 

[Fhrek]

only items with that "symphony of the fey" tag are allowed in the "hardcore" part of the event and everyone else can just ignore it, right ?

Yes, right. Characters playing the hardcore/winter lute can only equip itens with this tag to be eligible.