Let's ask the folks here on the forum

[Lazuli]

And i loathe the idea of having three accounts so i can get more loot rolls just to grind out an extra few rolls at gear to perfect gear sets for miniscule bonuses so i can claim how quick i can run R10, now thats boring beyond death, just self inflicted torture.

they should make a new server for just that and to ramp up the challenge of success for you triple or quadruple chest reroll and make sure they break dungeon helper so multiboxing for loot wont be soo damn unchallenging.

ita a win - win

I'm sorry to inform you that the minority style in this game is Permadeath, not Reaper, so if a style has to be segregated to a server, it will be Permadeath.

You're also very wrong if you think I feel attacked by your multibox comment. As I've said many times, I find multiboxing boring. My secondary accounts are for my little nieces to use.

 

[Lacci]

Deathblock and feather fall can be crafted at level 1, those are easy quick solutions to many early challenges and bugs.

traps require trapping abilities, spells can be defeated by several layers of defenses all learned concepts in the game.

That´s kind of my point. You just need to know these things and build for it. It´s the whole DC/save thing, where you either have enough so it´s not a challenge anymore, or you don´t and can die any second if the dice roll a 1.

 

[The Narc2]

I'm sorry to inform you that the minority style in this game is Permadeath, not Reaper, so if a style has to be segregated to a server, it will be Permadeath.

You're also very wrong if you think I feel attacked by your multibox comment. As I've said many times, I find multiboxing boring. My secondary accounts are for my little nieces to use.

Your welcome to your opinion but honestly i dont recognize you as some form of authority that can be informing me about my value as a player in the game, whatever the numbers may be, change is always possible. You can get defensive if you wish but I whole heartedly disagree that SSG should create a whole new server for permadeath playstyle as they will have no one on them. our community is staying on the server we are on and will constantly be looking for players that want to share in our experience on that server constantly growing and changing those numbers. We have nonissues with R10 end gamers and whales doing their own thing, to each their own.

I voted for the future hardcore events staying on the live servers, we like to draw from the community and expand our numbers.

 

[The Narc2]

That´s kind of my point. You just need to know these things and build for it. It´s the whole DC/save thing, where you either have enough so it´s not a challenge anymore, or you don´t and can die any second if the dice roll a 1.

Sounds to me like that implies that somewhere in there is a balance line that you either walk on, walk under or walk over. Seems like a pretty good definition of a game with balance.

the other wonderful thing about DDO is that it also has good game movement interaction allowing for reaction time and dexterity to have an impact on the game itself rather than just straight forward numbers whcih allows the game to be pushed riskier.

if you find the game doesnt have challenge for you on a first life toon on elite, just push it to higher difficulties, at extreme we successfully pushed to reaper 4 on first life toons within all our guild restrictions, and we didnt have to spend one minute rerun ing cheats for gear as we arent allowed loot running. Simple clean challenging and not boring.

as per my vote regarding liking the event on the live servers, we had a great time and added new people who enjoyed the comradrie throughout without being exposed to non hardcore players.

YMMV

 

[Lazuli]

Your welcome to your opinion but honestly i dont recognize you as some form of authority that can be informing me about my value as a player in the game, whatever the numbers may be, change is always possible. You can get defensive if you wish but I whole heartedly disagree that SSG should create a whole new server for permadeath playstyle as they will have no one on them. our community is staying on the server we are on and will constantly be looking for players that want to share in our experience on that server constantly growing and changing those numbers. We have nonissues with R10 end gamers and whales doing their own thing, to each their own.

I voted for the future hardcore events staying on the live servers, we like to draw from the community and expand our numbers.

I haven't said a word about your worth or lack thereof as a player in this game or any other. I've only said that SSG shouldn't force us to play permadeath if we don't like it.

You seem very prone to force people to play the way you like. I'm of the opposite opinion; global events should be accessible and fun for everyone, not just a small group of players. You want to force people to play permadeath, you want multiboxers to disappear, you want DH to disappear. It's always you, you, you. Your tastes, and everyone has to agree with you.

I initially said: hardcore should have the same rewards as non-hardcore, simply with a mark of pride, like the previous Lanterns event. That way, everyone could play as they want, and those of you who like to show off your hardcore skills could do so with your mark of pride cosmetics. Ah, but you didn't like that. Okay, so I said: they should create their own permadeath server, that way everyone can play how they want, and no one is forced to play the way they don't want. And the whining from hardcore players who say that non-hardcore players play too carelessly would stop. Ah, but that's not for you either. It has to be what you say, everyone has to play like you.

And I don't see why the challenge always has to be permadeath. The challenge could be R10, why not? There are more people who play R10 than permadeath. Ah, you don't like that and you rebel against it. Fine, well that's how those of us who don't like permadeath feel. And unlike you, I'm not advocating for that R10 challenge to have exclusive rewards.

The reality is that 10 lutes is too many. You and I can farm them if we want in a weekend. Many people can't. They have much less time to play or less skill in the game. And events are meant to keep people entertained and engaged with the game. They should be inclusive, not grindfests that many people can't manage.

There's my advice for SSG. Take it or leave it. I've said what I wanted to say on this topic.

 

[Justfungus]

The thing is, if this poll is roughly representative of the regular or serious players
(most light and casual players don't bother looking at the forums often) then about 1/3rd of the
population would like a separate HCL style full time server separate from the other servers.
30% is actually a huge chunk of the player population.
It can sometimes be hard for some (not all) people to separate what they want from what other players
want and they develop a 'my way or the highway' stance.
Heck, I never play Bards. Don't like them, tried them ... not for me.
BUT, I understand that some other players DO like them. So I support that class and improvements
to it even though I have zero interest in playing them.
This game is a mixed bag.
I do hope that the developers do consider creating a separate, always on, HC Server that is HC all the time, not just some event.
and ya, some folks are against it because it is not their thing ... that is fine.
There is one point that players should remember: Other players are not your content.
If a portion of players want to play on a specialty server instead of filling out your raid group,
that is their choice, not yours.
Have a great one all.

 

[vik]

Many people who play hardcore loathe permadeath, only want the cool cosmetics

What I'm getting from this thread is people really liked the cosmetics from this event

 

[Justfungus]

Well, some do. But HCL is not the only source for new cosmetics ... practically every event is based on 'new shinys' for prizes.

 

[Archest]

So, every player must suffer because a couple of guilds refuse to buy guild ship every time ?


OK. We stop playing. Do you really think that those 20-27 players that stay for hardcore will be enough to keep the lights on ?

I'm really not sure where you get the idea of anyone refusing to buy guild ships every time. I do feel there can be a work around of this for an independent hardcore server event for instance the guilds could remain and roll over to the next hardcore event with the guild administrator timer to allow another guild member to take control if the creator doesn't attend the guild ship. issue maybe how does one enter the ship with a character named from the last event without access to the old character (toon) really not against it if its a guild contribution thing and not just 1 person footing the bill not that they are concerned with the cost as I'm no whale and work for my cash to play the game and i dont personally pick it off the tree in my backyard. not too many do I think. since it is a temporary server event there could be a solution to build a guild that is saved and possibly resurrect the toons currently listed at level 1 with starter gear only. this would be a solution for guild ship retention. since you can transfer the toons with gear earned from the server to a live server with earned collectables and purchased amenities for the toon from the store ( augments and such) at this point having the guild and ship rebuilt from scratch is the option each time the event is run. as a part of the event in that since it too is a team effort depending on the time frame of the event itself and how much effect it may have on the live server population for LFM and those server too=ns who do not which to participate in a hardcore server event. I personally am thankful for players who can afford to start and progress a guild ship for the buffs but as well the guilds and air ships too can be eliminated altogether for a limited timed independent server event such a hardcore tournament. but i think even with t he cost of such a burden it can be achieved with a team effort. but it also is a consideration in the time frame of the event and the length of the run.

 

[Archest]

is it possible to build an airship and guild membership within a 4 week timed event?

 

[Sylvado]

is it possible to build an airship and guild membership within a 4 week timed event?

Possible? Death Smile and others are over level 100 in 4 weeks.

 

[The Narc2]

Possible? Death Smile and others are over level 100 in 4 weeks.

And SSG profits from that, so SSG should continue to reset every hardcore as a good plan. It also causes them to burn guild rebown pots, more money, more revenue.

 

[Sylvado]

And SSG profits from that, so SSG should continue to reset every hardcore as a good plan. It also causes them to burn guild rebown pots, more money, more revenue.

10 AS per account is not much of an income source. No real need for pots with that many people running sagas.

 

[Archest]

if the event ran for only 4 weeks

 

[The Narc2]

10 AS per account is not much of an income source. No real need for pots with that many people running sagas.

Good good!

Keep all them Guy Smilies working the chain gang.

 

[Lazuli]

What's the problem with Death Smiles? I joined them once, and the experience was bad (I missed a day because I went with my dad to the hospital, and when I came back, I found my character out of the guild because they only wanted people who logged in every day). But after that, I joined other guilds and never looked back. I wouldn't join that guild again, but I also don't see any reason to denigrate them. The members aren't equal to the leader, after all. I simply decided that if I couldn't miss even a single day, that guild wasn't for me, and from then on, I looked for other, friendlier guilds, and I have to say, I found them.

 

[The Narc2]

I dont see anyone denigrating anything in this thread.

People can have bad experiences with guilds, as the poster above noted, dont know if i would call that denigrating. I am happy to share that I have never had to experience any such bad experience, likely becauseI have never joined the aforementioned guild.

 

[Archest]

I have joined death smile and for a time there was a waiting list to get into death smile its a popular guild on hc as it levels very fast . never had any particular issues with any guilds on any server myself yet. it may be an issue if I'm booted because I do not use discord. have enough access from the government on my computer as it is with the NSA lagging me out of the game, then to have china or Russian hackers doing the same . the less doors i open to the world the better .

 

[torkz]

The thing is, if this poll is roughly representative of the regular or serious players
(most light and casual players don't bother looking at the forums often) then about 1/3rd of the
population would like a separate HCL style full time server separate from the other servers.
30% is actually a huge chunk of the player population.
It can sometimes be hard for some (not all) people to separate what they want from what other players
want and they develop a 'my way or the highway' stance.
Heck, I never play Bards. Don't like them, tried them ... not for me.
BUT, I understand that some other players DO like them. So I support that class and improvements
to it even though I have zero interest in playing them.
This game is a mixed bag.
I do hope that the developers do consider creating a separate, always on, HC Server that is HC all the time, not just some event.
and ya, some folks are against it because it is not their thing ... that is fine.
There is one point that players should remember: Other players are not your content.
If a portion of players want to play on a specialty server instead of filling out your raid group,
that is their choice, not yours.
Have a great one all.

I voted with the 30% for separate server. Not because I care about hardcore...it was fun a couple times...but because I like all the free stuff I get on a fresh server!

 

[The Narc2]

I voted with the 30% for separate server. Not because I care about hardcore...it was fun a couple times...but because I like all the free stuff I get on a fresh server!

Yeah the voting is likely heavily skewed for this point alone, i would guess that this particular reason alone was a good enough reason to never have the hardcore server reboots ever again.