Lominal's R10 and Raid build repository

[Lominal]

Great resource. Your bear build would be better overall: 11 Barb/6 DL/3 Druid. Really no reason to go 6 Druid and T5 DL is just a better tree than FB, especially if you have the points to get all the DPS from Orc. Take the CHA version of DL trance so you can use it while enraged. You do need +8 tomes and probably some CHA racial PLs to fully pull this off for acceptable R10 boosts. Of course, there are many, many ways and splits to create a bear, and most will work with small variations in what they can do.

Dragon lord gives better CC, FB gives more dmg (like substantially more). Bear already has solid CC via it's spells, which is why that split was selected. 3 druid also locks out t4 Nature's warrior, which offers up to 25% attack speed in reaper and 12 melee power.

If you want a more detailed breakdown of what that splits offers:

DL:
- Roar
-good imbue
- extra feat

FB:
- Shred (bit hit, sunder)
-5 more flat dmg (3 bracers, 1 omen, 1 Fvs tree )
-20% more strikethru
-3 more haste boosts
- 2 W (average 26 flat damage) and 3 melee power (crazy strike)
- 1 W (13 flat) and 5 more MP (t5)

the DL variant has a lot better cc through roar, but I find that the dps is more important since bear already gets solid enough cc (Maul, Takedown with strikethru), and FB offers a ton more dps, ending up 43 more damage and 8 MP ahead (which is a lot, probably ~7% dps). In addition, the DL trance has charges, FvS doesnt. You can get them back but in raids (where you'll typically run out) you wont be using roar.

 

[Marshal_Lannes]

I do agree with you that overall DL > FB, however Im pretty sure Lom's intentions for these builds are max raid DPS then R10s. Quite frankly on a completionist if you are only doing R10s in groups and not pushing raids (like most of us, myself included aren't), then you could gain a lot of survivability in many of these builds without much dps loss. I nearly never die in R10s unless Im grouped with a bunch of first lifers who shouldn't be doing r10s or zergers who bought 957 cakes and don't care if they die or agro the whole zone on the rest of the group. I think Lom is spot on, if you tend to group with peeps that know their jobs, the posted build will out DPS your split.

Alright, that's fair, if you are talking about a full group of maximized players who each are specialists in their role, then an argument can be made for FB. My assumption on R10 builds is that I need to be one of the 3 carrying the fight because 3 are always going to be semi-piking or not R10 capable. Just dismissing DL as "roar" when Roar happens to be an incredible R10 ability that makes quests massively easier and is a net DPS increase for the party...well, OK...

DL:
- Roar

Roar makes things helpless. My DPS to helpless mobs far outpaces the handful of DPS I lose (except on the Raid Boss, where FB is ahead by 5-7%). DL trance recharges easily with Roar. I don't see why you wouldn't be using it in most raids. Strikethrough is irrelevant since I'm already at Max. I also have an extra 10% absorption and 5% to ignore fire damage in two of the three end-game raids (FoM and Threats). If the boss in the new raid does severe Cold damage, I can spec for that as well. Plus, I have wings. How do you quantify how big a defensive bonus wings are?

 

[Guntango]

Roar makes things helpless.

Even if the roar was blowing out of both sides of you, you’d still miss mobs in every pack. Lomi’s build is better dps.

 

[Marshal_Lannes]

Agreed on both counts, but that doesn't mean DL isn't better overall

 

[Guntango]

Agreed on both counts, but that doesn't mean DL isn't better overall

Unless you’re in a flavor club, doing more dps is always the answer.

 

[Thira]

I am spending a lot of time doing gear tetris to see how lamordia fits into the gearing, so cool to see your thoughts already posted. I think, for the armors, you want the rare downcast armor line rather than the gravekeepers for the 4th slot.

 

[YTSESoldier]

Alright, that's fair, if you are talking about a full group of maximized players who each are specialists in their role, then an argument can be made for FB. My assumption on R10 builds is that I need to be one of the 3 carrying the fight because 3 are always going to be semi-piking or not R10 capable. Just dismissing DL as "roar" when Roar happens to be an incredible R10 ability that makes quests massively easier and is a net DPS increase for the party...well, OK...

Roar makes things helpless. My DPS to helpless mobs far outpaces the handful of DPS I lose (except on the Raid Boss, where FB is ahead by 5-7%). DL trance recharges easily with Roar. I don't see why you wouldn't be using it in most raids. Strikethrough is irrelevant since I'm already at Max. I also have an extra 10% absorption and 5% to ignore fire damage in two of the three end-game raids (FoM and Threats). If the boss in the new raid does severe Cold damage, I can spec for that as well. Plus, I have wings. How do you quantify how big a defensive bonus wings are?

I don't carry folks in R10s...I group with R10 capable folks if I feel the need or want, or I solo R4-R6 If farming. After 156 RP I feel the extra time an effort to carry or slog thorough R10 with a poor group is not worth the marginal increase in chance for reaper items to crunch.

As I mentioned before I 100% think DL > FB for the way I tend to play, but with the server migration/merger I and finding infinitely more opportunities to run reaper raids so I think the idea of DPS first is more relevant, at least on Thrane. And as much as I like bears, if you are going for the DL roar I think there are far better DL builds (SDK comes to mind) for your stated purposes.

 

[YTSESoldier]

Even if the roar was blowing out of both sides of you, you’d still miss mobs in every pack. Lomi’s build is better dps.

Mexican food blows out both sides of me sometimes, but I feel it's worth it...

 

[Buddha5440]

Mexican food blows out both sides of me sometimes, but I feel it's worth it...

Are you talking about actual Mexican food or Americanized 'mexican' food? If it's actual Mexican food...it might be the water causing the issues. I've eaten Mexican food in Mexico many times (with bottled water) and had no issues...I eat Taco Bell and am in the bathroom all night long.

 

[YTSESoldier]

Are you talking about actual Mexican food or Americanized 'mexican' food? If it's actual Mexican food...it might be the water causing the issues. I've eaten Mexican food in Mexico many times (with bottled water) and had no issues...I eat Taco Bell and am in the bathroom all night long.

Mexican food served in America (Texas) from hole in the wall Taquerias...and the amount of blowout often correlates with the quantity of beans and beer consumed.

 

[Buddha5440]

Mexican food served in America (Texas) from hole in the wall Taquerias...and the amount of blowout often correlates with the quantity of beans and beer consumed.

Yeah...beer and beans don't mix too well Maybe try a GasX before-hand.

I'd imagine you had fun during the eating experience though...repercussions can suck...or blow, in that case.

 

[Guntango]

Mexican food blows out both sides of me sometimes, but I feel it's worth it...

DPS means something different at Taco Bell.

 

[Teh_Troll]

As I mentioned before I 100% think DL > FB for the way I tend to play, but with the server migration/merger I and finding infinitely more opportunities to run reaper raids so I think the idea of DPS first is more relevant, at least on Thrane. And as much as I like bears, if you are going for the DL roar I think there are far better DL builds (SDK comes to mind) for your stated purposes.

I'm currently torn between DL and barb, I think barb may win out because it's more fun.

 

[Lominal]

I am spending a lot of time doing gear tetris to see how lamordia fits into the gearing, so cool to see your thoughts already posted. I think, for the armors, you want the rare downcast armor line rather than the gravekeepers for the 4th slot.

Correct, downcast will always be better than gravekeepers, but for DPS the slot they lose is the least useful, and it's not necessary to farm out downcast (which is a rare item so 1/117 droprate on r10, 1/153 on r1) to use the new gearing, just a single slot upgrade (like how most of the gear layout that use souvenir coin are improved if/when you get heartshard, which is also a rare item). Mostly I dont want to make gear layout that use rare items with no alternatives

 

[EinarMal]

most top dps are sub 50s. best builds sit close to 35s. Fastest I've seen was a 19s inquis back before the nerfs (~Nov 2024)

I will probably add a few of those builds you mention, specifically wraps builds/ Rc barb stuff.

The SDK build you mention is solid dps, but on full racial comp with tomes will be worse dps than the one I posted (ends up 3% less apm+40 MP behind)

18/1/1 RC is only good in raid pushes, and even then that pure barb is close enough, and way more tanky/fun in reaps.

In general I'll try not to post builds that require a +1 heart too.

How much worse is something like SDK 11 rogue/6 dl/3 bard, compared to the Barbarian build in the guide? Seems like the DPS would be higher, but lower survivability? Assuming you can use an undying hand axe.

 

[Lominal]

How much worse is something like SDK 11 rogue/6 dl/3 bard, compared to the Barbarian build in the guide? Seems like the DPS would be higher, but lower survivability? Assuming you can use an undying hand axe.

Dps would be lower (better imbue more sneak but you lose a fair bit of flat). I'm thinking that the AP split would be 36 DL/41 vkf/ 6 swash, which will lose the least. Net changes are (I'll do some math on trance in the next bit):

+1 crit range with dagger (I've been finding goldcurse DC 100 doesn't work well enough in Chill, so I use maw for guardbreaking)
+200% scaling imbue dice that checks mrr
+6 sneak dice
+roar
-3 imbue dice
-1 crit multi on vorpal
-23 MP (core+ cracking attack+ t5)
- 3W (around 17 flat dmg)
I'll consider sunder and cracking attack to be roughly equivelent (both debuff fort 25% vs 20, add some dmg)

DL doesnt grant a lot of dmg (yes you get the imbue and sneak but you lose a lot of other stuff). DL is almost exclusively used in "meta" builds for roar and the str trance (on TWF). Roar is amazing for cc if you need it, but chains with maw/goldcurse are more than enough in my experience.

It's some good math to have public so I'll post it here, but the DL trance is almost never worth it over raging on SWF/THF.
You end up losing around 18 strength (6+3+3 raging, 6 from FB core 6) by not raging/barb, and since this build (swf+ empty offhand) scales 2x off the mainstat, that ends up as 18 lower damage that isnt made up for by using the strength trance (I usually hit ~ 70 charisma on my build, so you owuld need to be hitting 142 str on the DL split to make it even out). you can change these numbers as you need for your own purposes.

 

[woq]

Dps would be lower (better imbue more sneak but you lose a fair bit of flat). I'm thinking that the AP split would be 36 DL/41 vkf/ 6 swash, which will lose the least. Net changes are (I'll do some math on trance in the next bit):

+1 crit range with dagger (I've been finding goldcurse DC 100 doesn't work well enough in Chill, so I use maw for guardbreaking)
+200% scaling imbue dice that checks mrr
+6 sneak dice
+roar
-improved uncanny dodge
-3 imbue dice
-1 crit multi on vorpal
-23 MP (core+ cracking attack+ t5)
- 3W (around 17 flat dmg)
I'll consider sunder and cracking attack to be roughly equivelent (both debuff fort 25% vs 20, add some dmg)

DL doesnt grant a lot of dmg (yes you get the imbue and sneak but you lose a lot of other stuff). DL is almost exclusively used in "meta" builds for roar and the str trance (on TWF). Roar is amazing for cc if you need it, but chains with maw/goldcurse are more than enough in my experience.

It's some good math to have public so I'll post it here, but the DL trance is almost never worth it over raging on SWF/THF.
You end up losing around 18 strength (6+3+3 raging, 6 from FB core 6) by not raging/barb, and since this build (swf+ empty offhand) scales 2x off the mainstat, that ends up as 18 lower damage that isnt made up for by using the strength trance (I usually hit ~ 70 charisma on my build, so you owuld need to be hitting 142 str on the DL split to make it even out). you can change these numbers as you need for your own purposes.

11 rog = has imp uncanny. Agree on the conclusions.

Separate note: have you considered adding some either pure debuff or mix debuff/dps build to your build repository?

 

[Lominal]

Separate note: have you considered adding some either pure debuff or mix debuff/dps build to your build repository?

I think it's usually better for pugs to spread debuffs across builds that fill other roles like dps/heals. 20 fist monk with jade, FVS with EA turn, bards with crusade, etc.

 

[EinarMal]

Dps would be lower (better imbue more sneak but you lose a fair bit of flat). I'm thinking that the AP split would be 36 DL/41 vkf/ 6 swash, which will lose the least. Net changes are (I'll do some math on trance in the next bit):

+1 crit range with dagger (I've been finding goldcurse DC 100 doesn't work well enough in Chill, so I use maw for guardbreaking)
+200% scaling imbue dice that checks mrr
+6 sneak dice
+roar
-3 imbue dice
-1 crit multi on vorpal
-23 MP (core+ cracking attack+ t5)
- 3W (around 17 flat dmg)
I'll consider sunder and cracking attack to be roughly equivelent (both debuff fort 25% vs 20, add some dmg)

DL doesnt grant a lot of dmg (yes you get the imbue and sneak but you lose a lot of other stuff). DL is almost exclusively used in "meta" builds for roar and the str trance (on TWF). Roar is amazing for cc if you need it, but chains with maw/goldcurse are more than enough in my experience.

It's some good math to have public so I'll post it here, but the DL trance is almost never worth it over raging on SWF/THF.
You end up losing around 18 strength (6+3+3 raging, 6 from FB core 6) by not raging/barb, and since this build (swf+ empty offhand) scales 2x off the mainstat, that ends up as 18 lower damage that isnt made up for by using the strength trance (I usually hit ~ 70 charisma on my build, so you owuld need to be hitting 142 str on the DL split to make it even out). you can change these numbers as you need for your own purposes.

I am a melee noob, but I was thinking you would use a hand axe + buckler for the swashbuckler + DL 5. I would use the charisma trance from DL so you can rage?

Enhancements (100)
Dragonlord 37
Racial 20
Assassin 25
Swashbuckler 11
Thief Acrobat 3
Falconry 4

1-SWF
2-(DL) Thraxata's Instinct
3-Dodge
3-(FB) Mobility
5-(FB) Whirlwind Attack
6-Precision
7-(FB) ISWF
9-IC Slashing
12-Nimble Fingers
15-GSWF
18-Spring Attack
21-OC
22-PSWF
24-Patience
25-Crush Weakness
27-Improved Shield Bash
28-Harbringer of Chaos
30-Epic Damage Reduction
30-Scion of Arborea
31-Shield Mastery Speciality
33-TBD....
34-Doublestrike

Epic Destiny (83)
Dreadnaught 36
Fury 24
Shadowdancer 23


Probably terrible idk.

 

[Lominal]

I am a melee noob, but I was thinking you would use a hand axe + buckler for the swashbuckler + DL T5 so something like: I would use the charisma trance from DL so you can rage?

Enhancements (100)
Dragonlord 37
Racial 20
Assassin 25
Swashbuckler 11
Thief Acrobat 3
Falconry 4

1-SWF
2-(DL) Thraxata's Instinct
3-Dodge
3-(FB) Mobility
5-(FB) Whirlwind Attack
6-Precision
7-(FB) ISWF
9-IC Slashing
12-Nimble Fingers
15-GSWF
18-Spring Attack
21-OC
22-PSWF
24-Patience
25-Crush Weakness
27-Improved Shield Bash
28-Harbringer of Chaos
30-Epic Damage Reduction
30-Scion of Arborea
31-Shield Mastery Speciality
33-TBD....
34-Doublestrike

Probably terrible idk.

It's not terrible at all, but it would be less dps (it's still a lot more dps than most pug builds). That said, there's nothing wrong with playing what you like. if you prefer the hand axe chains, go for it, most people wont notice the dps difference and handaxe has bigger crit which is fun. If you feel like you need the guaranteed cc from roar, it's probably a better split for you as well.