Lvl 20 vs. Lvl 30/34

[Florak]

What are the advantages doing a reincarnation at lvl 20 vs. lvl 30/34? I've done both, and really don't see a difference (other that enjoying the higher level quests).

Thanks in advance.

Florak

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[Fhrek]

What are the advantages doing a reincarnation at lvl 20 vs. lvl 30/34? I've done both, and really don't see a difference (other that enjoying the higher level quests).

Thanks in advance.

Florak

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You get an Epic or Iconic Past Life?

Looks small, but the cumulative Epic Past lifes is a huge advantage!

Leveling to 30/34 has another perks like:
Farming Reaper EXP
Farming Sentient EXP
Farming Filigrees
Farming Epic/Legendary itens
Farming Better Augments

 

[Florak]

Agreed, but those (extras) can only be used at those higher levels. However, using those items at the higher levels, does make the levels somewhat easier and less challenging I suppose.

 

[rabidfox]

Epic past lives kick in at level 1. The 4 epic active past life toggles + passives is a lot of extra power.

 

[Solarpower]

What are the advantages doing a reincarnation at lvl 20 vs. lvl 30/34?

You can do Epic Reincarnation at level 30+ immidiatelly followed by Heroic/Racial Reincarnation. You'll get 2 past life feats (epic+class/race) instead of just one.
If you have enough content you can save your sagas rewards, underdo Epic Reincarnation, get sagas rewards that [almost] enough to get back to level 30 immidiately, Epic reincarnate again followed by Heroic/Racial Reincarnation and get 3 past life feats at once.
Also, Iconic characters can only reincarnate at level 30+.

 

[kimberlyte]

Agreed, but those (extras) can only be used at those higher levels. However, using those items at the higher levels, does make the levels somewhat easier and less challenging I suppose.

Have you ever even gone through the full list of passive and active epic past live feats? Three lives of Ancient Power gives +6 attack and +6 damage for THF, which is very noticeable at level 1 and well beyond. Other things like hit points and MRR/PRR really help for things like surviving lag spikes or unlucky multi-champion and reaper spawns.

Reaper points can be spent beginning at level 4, and the maximum spend at level 17 is 90 points. Reaper points and epic past lives do make r1 leveling into a bit of a snoozefest, but luckily there are a few harder difficulties above that. The bonuses definitely speed up leveling, which most people seem to appreciate.

Iconic lives are separate, but require going up to level 30. Popular iconic active feats include PDK for the action boost to speed, chaosmancer for the fey step, and scoundrel for runspeed if you don't have a Quiver of Alacrity,

 

[The Narc2]

What are the advantages doing a reincarnation at lvl 20 vs. lvl 30/34? I've done both, and really don't see a difference (other that enjoying the higher level quests).

Thanks in advance.

Florak

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Make sure at level 30/34 that you are doing an epic past life plus a heroic past life

 

[Florak]

Thanks all - this has been a big help. Been playing for awhile, but mostly solo and haven't delved into this much at all. I've got 2 toons getting close to 20 and will run them to 30 and give this a try.

 

[axel15810]

What are the advantages doing a reincarnation at lvl 20 vs. lvl 30/34? I've done both, and really don't see a difference (other that enjoying the higher level quests).

Thanks in advance.

Florak

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If you mean for the goal of getting heroic past lives, IMO 30 to 15 with iconic reincarnation is just objectively better than 20 to 1 heroic reincarnation since you get 2 past lives instead of 1. You also have access to better sentient xp, more sagas, and better reaper xp (especially if you are running legendary reaper quests). You also have the option to do ERs in between ITRs if you go from 15-30 or stay at endgame for a while and grind reaper xp or raid (therefore getting threads for raid filigree and other goodies).

From a pragmatic standpoint I'd only do 20 to 1 heroic reincarnation if you are a new free to play player who doesn't have access to the free quests code so doesn't own much content/or iconic races or if you want to play a specific non-iconic race and plan to stay in that build for a while. Otherwise going from level 20 to 1 is pretty much just for racial past lives these days since 20 to 1 is the only option for those.

 

[paddymaxson]

What are the advantages doing a reincarnation at lvl 20 vs. lvl 30/34? I've done both, and really don't see a difference (other that enjoying the higher level quests).

Thanks in advance.

Florak

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Doing it at 30 means getting an Epic PL before your heroic/racial one.

As someone who did exactly enough epic PLs to get epic completionist back in the day but then never did another till after racial completionist (before eladrin) I honestly would recommend doing sas many epic PLs as you can tolerate per heroic/racial PL, Epic PL stances make heroic/racial lives much easier, the passives on them are nothing to sneeze at either.

I can also recommend doing some heroic lives for heroic completionist as iconics. That requires getting to 30 without getting an epic TR, but as someone who has over many years of short spurts of intense grinding finally gotten triple completionist and a bunch of iconics/repeats of certain classes under my belt, I'll tell you that 15-30 is a considerably less miserable slog than 1-20 for getting heroic PLs. It also avoids the horrible realisation that your build is almost finished but you just have to grind through 3 iconic lives that you don't actually want to do before endgame.

I wish they let you do iconic racials (where you just get your iconic's base race) to be honest. There's definitely a handful of iconics that are very much worth having the PLs for.

 

[danzig138]

Just remember that if you're at 30, doing the epic reincarnation is a separate process from the true reincarnation!

 

[Aaumini]

Thanks all - this has been a big help. Been playing for awhile, but mostly solo and haven't delved into this much at all. I've got 2 toons getting close to 20 and will run them to 30 and give this a try.

Remember to stock up on tokens of the twelve needed for heroic class and racial reincarnation hearts. Those are in end chests in some 20+ level quests and fragments (can be combined into tokens) drop from mobs in the same quests.

 

[saekee]

Remember to stock up on tokens of the twelve needed for heroic class and racial reincarnation hearts. Those are in end chests in some 20+ level quests and fragments (can be combined into tokens) drop from mobs in the same quests.

great point and adds that going to cap means you earn the tokens on the way for the eventual TR

 

[CherryBomb]

The move to legendary has really broken anything level 20 and above for me. Used to be any level 20+ toon could be in an epic party. Now, especially with the demand for reaper play, there are level restrictions.

 

[Underflow]

The move to legendary has really broken anything level 20 and above for me. Used to be any level 20+ toon could be in an epic party. Now, especially with the demand for reaper play, there are level restrictions.

Level 20 characters are beyond weak, but they tend to become 'active' and useful again at 23, when they finally get t3 Epic Destiny abilities.

A level 26 can safely run the highest level content, barring high skulls.

 

[Oliphant]

Epic leveling is pretty fun. Make sure to talk to the Fatesinger and to the ethereal planes or whatever its called and activate all the destinies and get the destiny points.

 

[CherryBomb]

Level 20 characters are beyond weak, but they tend to become 'active' and useful again at 23, when they finally get t3 Epic Destiny abilities.

A level 26 can safely run the highest level content, barring high skulls.

Not the problem that I have. There are now many fewer grouping options when running epics now that legendary xp and reaper leveling restrictions apply. But then others will claim that they do not experience grouping problems. Not to mention that I don't really like running above hero levels.

 

[Seppi Pearlsmith]

What are the advantages doing a reincarnation at lvl 20 vs. lvl 30/34? I've done both, and really don't see a difference (other that enjoying the higher level quests).

Thanks in advance.

Florak

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I dunno what you play but 9% doublestrike or 9% doubleshot or 9% elemental damage crit chance is big. Not to mention the PRR and HP bonuses you can get from EPL's.

 

[Br4d]

What are the advantages doing a reincarnation at lvl 20 vs. lvl 30/34? I've done both, and really don't see a difference (other that enjoying the higher level quests).

Thanks in advance.

Florak

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For most players there is enough content to last a lifetime once you take ETR/ITR/TR into account.

The hardest thing to do in DDO for a new player is to plan your play and have it turn into fun in the end. This assuming that you're not just grinding because you live to grind.

If you're looking for power and the grind is fun then I'd go 2xTR for full build points, ETR until lack of bonus XP becomes an issue, TR into an Iconic and then keep ETRing until you hit the XP issue again. Once you have your Epic Past lives filled out to your satisfaction you have a choice of heroics for completionist, racial lives for racial points and buffs, or running ITR's for the Iconic stance you want to run. You're limited to 4 Epic stances (one each from arcane, divine, martial and primal) and one Iconic stance running at a time although you can fill out others to toggle when you want them.

 

[PaleFox]

Besides the perks of past life feats, the gross of reaper xp is gained past level 26.