Monk thrower advice

Leesun

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I rolled a 1st life drow for kama twf ninja spy, but found myself hardstuck on An Invitation to Dinner. I used my lh to reroll into a shuri thrower, but it dawned on me that shuriken, like bows with zen archery, do not actually generate ki. How can 10k stars, shadow double, flashbang without the ki gen? Do I just ignore flashbang and shadow double completely and save 10k stars for bosses?
 

Vox

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Max out your concentration, your ki will regen up to your concentration skill amount.

There was an effect in old heshin (contemplation) that increased passive ki gen, not sure if it's still in there.

Shuri ki gen in heroics has long been an issue.
 

Fisto Mk I

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Take both passive ki regeneration in HM abd NiS, add one more later from ED GMoF (this ED now mandatory), take Orchid Blossom as main ki-generator, take Inner Focus for fast emergence replenish ki pool. Add some Concentration skill augments.

And main advice - never leveling shuri-monk in heroic (leave it for true masochists like myself 🤣), take some nice quarterstaff and go-go-go until Epic. 8)
 

Leesun

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And main advice - never leveling shuri-monk in heroic (leave it for true masochists like myself 🤣), take some nice quarterstaff and go-go-go until Epic. 8)
This speaks volumes to me given shuriken are one of the focused weapons of the ninja spy. The irony of the update being titled "Balance the Scales" is not lost on me, either. :ROFLMAO:
 

Fisto Mk I

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We've been asking for ranged Ki generation for years, but never heard their reply? Did they address it?
Before release U72, Steelstar replied on discord that they might do so. However, then they still abandoned this idea, despite the many years of pleas of the players.
 

J1NG

I can do things others can't...
We've been asking for ranged Ki generation for years, but never heard their reply? Did they address it?
They only answered that there was more to it than they realised (they thought it was a balance issue; hint, it wasn't only an balance issue).

My feeling is they could change that, but not with the remaining last few days they had before release and so just dumped it. So now we wait another 10 years time before someone tries to get back around to this again, and then realise they don't have the time either, and then we wait for the next person...

J1NG
 

TeachrSyncletica

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I rolled a 1st life drow for kama twf ninja spy, but found myself hardstuck on An Invitation to Dinner. I used my lh to reroll into a shuri thrower, but it dawned on me that shuriken, like bows with zen archery, do not actually generate ki. How can 10k stars, shadow double, flashbang without the ki gen? Do I just ignore flashbang and shadow double completely and save 10k stars for bosses?
Others have noted stuff. But thinking like a ninja and not an archer is important here.

Max out "Stealthy" enhancement and add skill points to Hide and Move Silently. You are a ninja. Act like one and, with enough Sneak Attack, your first strikes against many enemies will be few or one. You NEED to Sneak to get Stealthy's +1 passive ki regeneration. Sneaking DOES work, and you can avoid many fights, especially in older quests, just by sneaking. Newer quests have more "gather" and trigger points but stealth is still very viable.

Maxing out the Mystic tree's Contemplation gives you another +1 passive ki regeneration. (It's location might have changed with U72.)

By level 12, staying in Ocean Stance will also give you not only another +1 passive ki regeneration but also higher Dodge and saves. falconry's attack DCs are based on your WIS or highest stat, I think. Make sure DEX and WIS are higher, and Ocean Stance adds to your WIS.

A starthrower is a one-trick pony. But with Falconry enhancements, you can trip, blind, and assassinate. You need to put only enough AP in Ninja Spy for maybe three Sneak Attacks, Stealthy, Sting of the Ninja and core 3 for Shadow Veil. Action boosts for attack is fine. But just time your attacks so you need Ten Thousand Stars and boosts only during boss/minibosses and you'll be fine.

You'll have plenty of ki if you change your playstyle to NOT always fight or to use quick takedowns with bird-trips. Granted, the undead won't get critical hits, but a Barovian weapon doesn't care with all its damage.

Also, a lot of people want to get Improved Precise Shot. You don't necessarily need it if you give yourself a modest harassing party attacking ahead of you. Precise Shot's Archer's Focus really gives extra damage to the point that a good defense means few things ever reach you. There's a sweet spot in how far you are from enemies. Too close and they all jump on you. Too far and you might have a hard time targeting. Until you reach Epic levels and use Shiradi effects, using IPS in Heroic could be dicey. Hit too many targets and you'll be mobbed.
 

Rogue

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I rolled a 1st life drow for kama twf ninja spy, but found myself hardstuck on An Invitation to Dinner. I used my lh to reroll into a shuri thrower, but it dawned on me that shuriken, like bows with zen archery, do not actually generate ki. How can 10k stars, shadow double, flashbang without the ki gen? Do I just ignore flashbang and shadow double completely and save 10k stars for bosses?
IDK, I'd say just 'meditate' on it....
 

TeachrSyncletica

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Also note that water stance helps with passive ki generation
Starting at Level 12/Master, but yes. Passive ki regeneration effects all stack, no matter the source.
Grandmaster of Flowers offers one as well, and while it's more geared for melee Monks, the effects that give you elemental and alignment absorption could be quite nice. And there's more Sneak Attack in there.
 

Broken Old Monk

Keep All Void and Elemental Finishers Please?
We've been asking for ranged Ki generation for years, but never heard their reply? Did they address it?
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I rely on sneaking and passive ki gen for my 10k stars....... can get passive ki from henshin as well as ninja when sneaking and from using ocean stance when the stance starts granting passive ki regen and max out your CON and concentration
 

Fisto Mk I

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You need to put only enough AP in Ninja Spy for maybe three Sneak Attacks, Stealthy, Sting of the Ninja and core 3 for Shadow Veil.
No, it's clearly not enough. You need T5 for IAF (+10 passive RP +50 for 10 additional stacks)/Self-defence (+25% HP, +5 MRR/MRR Cap), Deadly Striker for +2 Crit range/+1 Crit multiplier, Shadow Double for +50% DS and +5 Assassinate DS.
And if you run pure monk, C5 add +5SA and +5 Assassinate DC boost and +5 RP/MP, and capstone permanent 5SA more and +15 RP/MP.
Sting of the Ninja is DoA and totally useless without strip poison immunity with 75% mobs in game have resist/immune to poison. 100% scaling is just nail in the coffin. Elemental Soul imbues toggles much more viable and deal much more damage.
And you need at least 13 AP in HM for WIS trance and C3 for 3 more ID.
Also, a lot of people want to get Improved Precise Shot.
IPS is pure trap after U45 nerfing, nobody in sane mind don't take it last... four year? Five?
"Seems you meditate in the Void stasis too long, Master..." 🤣
 
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Tilomere

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An inquisitor will make a better ranged monk. Just wear leather armor to bring MRR cap to 100 and away you go.

The reason: let's say there is a standard group of 6 mobs and 2 reapers. Shoot First will AoE hit all 8 of them 2x, and if you splash arti, shatter defenses will hit all 8 of them 2x, for 32 attacks in 1.1 seconds, plus a strong dot on everything. By the time you hit Invitation to dinner you will have 2 AoE attacks, a trance, and stat to hit/dmg and you should do fine in it.

To get 32 attacks at a shuriken attack rate of 1/sec leveling will take 32 seconds ... and your dot is weak Fu.
 
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Broken Old Monk

Keep All Void and Elemental Finishers Please?
An inquisitor will make a better ranged monk. Just wear leather armor to bring MRR cap to 100 and away you go.

The reason: let's say there is a standard group of 6 mobs and 2 reapers. Shoot First will AoE hit all 8 of them 2x, and if you splash arti, shatter defenses will hit all 8 of them 2x, for 32 attacks in 1.1 seconds, plus a heavy dot on everything. By the time you hit Invitation to dinner you will have 2 AoE attacks, a trance, and stat to hit/dmg and you should do fine in it.

To get 32 attacks at a shuriken attack rate of 1/sec leveling will take 32 seconds ... and your dot is weak.
Yeah but as far as I am aware you can not be centered with a xbow......
 

Fisto Mk I

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Would need One With the Blades in tier 5 fighter kensei for this, which means pure monk out of the question
This is Tilo, he has never been stopped by such little things. 🤣
And yes, the uncentered monk abomination in leather armor is still a monk. And as Inquisitor it clearly can have better damage output than centered shuri-monk in heroic. 8)
 

Leesun

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This is Tilo, he has never been stopped by such little things. 🤣
And yes, the uncentered monk abomination in leather armor is still a monk. And as Inquisitor it clearly can have better damage output than centered shuri-monk in heroic. 8)
The Tillo is a visionary ungyved by the petty trappings of conformity. Some of their builds have been fun and there are, more oft than not, sparks of brilliance in their art. I might consider a monk/fighter inquisitive one day.
 

Tilomere

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You don't have to be centered, the monk free feats will cover things so regular feats can be crossbows and light armor proficiency. 20 monk levels gives max caster level ki bolt and AoE manaless kiless fast casting Mass Heal via Hand of Healing. Ki from GMoF so you can do GMoF/Draconic/Shiradi.

Ki bolt is a framework, not a build, so it doesn't exclude inquisitor. Think I like arti splash for AoE crossbow attack and all relevant feats as well since we are building spell power/crit for draconic dot already.

One with the Blades is melee weapons only I think.

AP:
39+2 tome Inq
6 Ki bolt + 2 imbue
12 Shintao Healing Hand
12 BE Shatter Device
7 cha to hit/dmg FI
4 Cha Trance (1 FvS splash)
 
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