HoopleHead
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[Ero{whatever}] "Hold my non-alcoholic beverage"
Never seen anyone 3-Box like this before
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Sarlona Raiding
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There shouldn't be, but in a previous thread someone was comparing dual boxing to murder.
I think SSG should embrace dual boxing as a new revenue source and support better tools within DDO itself. Not so much because I need those tools, but I want to see SSG succeed so the game is around for a long while.
Spook
Ghostly Troll
Its not botting and calling it that is not helpful. It is a utility that replicates autofollow which is available in many other games by default - even LoTRO. I for one would prefer SSG to implement autofollow natively but that seems unlikely at this point.
You are still at the computer and controlling the actions - which to me is still ok until SSG says otherwise.
vryxnr
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Yup. Words/Definitions matter. Botting is when the software/program performs the actions for you. You start it and walk away, no need for any more input from you, and your character still does things thanks to the program. This is bad, very bad, and is a bannable offence (and rightly so imo).
Shared Keyboard is not botting, everything is still a direct result of you at the keyboard. You are in complete control.
Auto-follow is - imo - in a grey area and it really depends on how it is used. Use it to follow yourself on a different account, you are still there controlling the action. Use it to follow someone else, bad news bears as you are no longer the one controlling the action. Telling the difference between those two is difficult though, hence "grey area" imo.
Discount Gandalf
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Auto follow is not botting. Auto attack is not botting. Auto Targetting is not botting. two of the three are settings in the game and the first one should have been from day one, just like in their other game and countless others.
Creating a script that automates your character running through a wilderness zone killing enemies, then recalling and re-entering to do it repeatedly while you are at work is botting. This is clearly not the scenario described in the OP or anything remotely close to it.
Until SSG removes the ability to open multiple instances of the client, they are passively endorsing using their software in this manner. It is crazy to me how bent out of shape some people get over people running more than one instance of a game. Especially a game that might as well be a single player at this point with a dead economy.
Creating a script that automates your character running through a wilderness zone killing enemies, then recalling and re-entering to do it repeatedly while you are at work is botting. This is clearly not the scenario described in the OP or anything remotely close to it.
Until SSG removes the ability to open multiple instances of the client, they are passively endorsing using their software in this manner. It is crazy to me how bent out of shape some people get over people running more than one instance of a game. Especially a game that might as well be a single player at this point with a dead economy.
Guntango
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Policing innocent game behavior is a waste of resources imo. Would you rather a person who is on a Zoom call to auto-follow the group through a wilderness (that shouldn't be required to navigate through for the 10,000th time, but that's for a different thread), potentially loot the item they're farming for, buy jewelers kits to reslot augments, and rinse/repeat, or play half as much?
I prefer more people in the game than not, and if a third-party QoL software allows us more play time and SSG allows its integration, why not?
vryxnr
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I agree, and I said that earlier in this thread. I multibox myself, and I have never been shy about sharing that fact. I personally don't use any programs to assist because I do not feel comfortable with it given the potential issues when used improperly, as I just described above.
That is not my call to make, but based on the dev comments over the years about this topic, that specific use of auto-follow is actually not permitted. I'm just pointing that out, as that is relevant to this thread. I'm all for making it known you want it to be changed for better QoL, more power to you! ... but that doesn't change that right now - afaik - that is against what they have said and they have not changed their view on it. If someone uses a program that way, they use it at their own risk. If someone asks about using it that way, I will warn them of the risk.
I think it's reasonable to recognize how things actually are right now, which (as I understand it) is:
Multiboxing (having multiple accounts active at once) is fine
Window swapping to move them one at a time is fine
Shared Keyboard is most likely fine as you are physically controlling everything, just simultaneously
Auto-Follow, it depends on how it is used
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Guntango
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I just don’t read enough on the forums to know that auto-follow has been specifically named as a ban-able offense (it’s hard enough to get through the posts on topics that catch my eye). Thanks for letting me know.
Xaerxiessia
Lost in Translation
I saw the OP case yesterday evening on the boat in Smugglers' Rest.
Moving 4 toons synchronously , all inquisitive, is a bit "too much".
Moving 4 toons synchronously , all inquisitive, is a bit "too much".
Toblakai
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Is it too much in LotRO using the in game "follow" feature also? How about the same feature in WoW or any other MMO except DDO? Inquisitive just makes it worse for some reason I guess? Maybe if SSG finally implements a in game follow feature they can make it not work for inquisitives.
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Xaerxiessia
Lost in Translation
"Quad Inquisitive Shots" is a "Follow Feature" ?Is it too much in LotRO using the in game "follow" feature also? How about the same feature in WoW or any other MMO except DDO? Inquisitive just makes it worse for some reason I guess? Maybe if SSG finally implements a in game follow feature they can make it not work for inquisitives.
Weird point of view.
Discount Gandalf
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Maybe they should remove auto attack from the game. Too op.
GrayJedi AntiProPaladin
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(being that MultiBoxing is allowed and Supported by Devs)
what's the difference between multiboxer in front of keyboard, mouse, monitor, etc. controlling all 4 inquisitives firing shots (whether using autofollow)
vs.
a party of 4 friends or guildies playing all 4 similar build inquisitives firing shots at roughly the same time (like Synchronized Swimming competitive sport) using something like Discord to sync up their attacks and targets
Or say in military combat the squad leader commands to team "Follow my lead", "Ready, Aim at This target, and On My Mark: Fire! And keep firing on target until destroyed, reload, continue to next target"
what's the difference between multiboxer in front of keyboard, mouse, monitor, etc. controlling all 4 inquisitives firing shots (whether using autofollow)
vs.
a party of 4 friends or guildies playing all 4 similar build inquisitives firing shots at roughly the same time (like Synchronized Swimming competitive sport) using something like Discord to sync up their attacks and targets
Or say in military combat the squad leader commands to team "Follow my lead", "Ready, Aim at This target, and On My Mark: Fire! And keep firing on target until destroyed, reload, continue to next target"
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As already stated above, Sev was asked on a Q&A if using an auto-follow program was allowed and his response was negative.
Spook
Ghostly Troll
No it was a vague "You probably shouldnt do that" when it was clear that Sev didnt really know the details of what was being talked about
GrayJedi AntiProPaladin
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As already stated also...
SSG's other game LOTRO has auto-follow function coded into that game directly by SSG themselves
SSG's other game LOTRO has auto-follow function coded into that game directly by SSG themselves
GrayJedi AntiProPaladin
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Anyways until they give a Definitive non-vague answer that doing it breaks the TOS, then it's a grey area depending on how one uses it...whether following your own characters u fully control vs. following some others not under your own control
....and we keep going round & round on this (every now & then it comes up and it's the same old debate) when doing it doesn't cause anyone harm, doesn't cause Lag different from multiple actual players logged in (AFAWK/they didn't say so) , or some other negative effects to the operation of the game...
....and we keep going round & round on this (every now & then it comes up and it's the same old debate) when doing it doesn't cause anyone harm, doesn't cause Lag different from multiple actual players logged in (AFAWK/they didn't say so) , or some other negative effects to the operation of the game...
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PersonMan
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Just don't afk at the wrong time
Catmosphere
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I was happily discussing the use of AHK under the noses of several devs when the crafting interface was so laborious. Was told then that as long as I could answer a tell (ie was sitting at my keyboard) there are no issues using automation. I've seen 6 boxers. It's a lot of work and a lot of money. If they want to pump money into the game I'm all for it.