New 64-bit Game Worlds Arrive July 15th!

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Frantik

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I'm a European player, and have been in a US guild for a while now... the people are wonderful, but the time difference is a killer. I will be transferring to Moonsea with a slightly heavy heart. As far as I understand, you need to box transfer one toon then simple transfers are fine.
 

Tarrith

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Your question has been answered many times already

They very wisely want to get rid of all the unused characters, mails, names etc and possibly some of the broken data as well.

They are very much doing the right thing here.
Considering they moved a gameworld from 32bit to 64bit, there should be no reason not move player data to a new server with the same name avoiding player name clashes. Then once servers have been upgraded they can concentrate on amalgamating servers, shutting down the redundant ones one server at a time so as to lessen the disruption. I understand the wish to remove redundant player information. I am questioning the need to rush this by doing it all in one go.
As for "They answered this many times"
For someone who's been setting up, transferring user data and amalgamating servers for 30+ years I can tell you, the whole process is as clear as mud with what I consider unnecessary risks.
 
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Orbry

Active member
EU players have been running on US servers because there was no other choice. The previous EU server was shut down many years ago.
What you saying is happened because there was no other option.
Now there is options to choose from. Better ping on an EU based server but give up your 10+ years community or 70% worse ping (170-220) with friends.
It's not 70% worse - EU player on East Coast server (around 6000km away) that transfers to West Coast server (around 9000km away) gets at most 50% increase in distance and ping.
It will be worse for sure but it won't be change from "good" to "bad", it will be change from "bad" to "baad" and it's up to each individual to decide what's more important.

I'm a European player, and have been in a US guild for a while now... the people are wonderful, but the time difference is a killer. I will be transferring to Moonsea with a slightly heavy heart. As far as I understand, you need to box transfer one toon then simple transfers are fine.
Same thing here, will definitely miss jokes about US/UK "lever" pronunciation 😄
 

Alternative

Sarcasm elemental
There is no reason not to just do it a couple of times and make things easier on yourself. You - can - try to do everything at once, but why, and you'll have a better time if you don't maybe. But you should be able to if you insist.
This almost sounds like a threat, that we're going to have our **** bugged and it will be our fault. Maybe.
 

Anurakh

Little Nixie
Guild Transfer XP Loss:
  • Let's say (for the sake of simplicity) that your guild has 100,000 XP and fully 50% of it was earned by really active players who are now no longer playing (for 6+ months).
  • When you transfer the Guild, how much XP would be lost from that 50K?
  • Is there any way to prevent or mitigate this loss?
As far as I understand, only the renown of guild members transferred to your server will be transferred. So in your example, where 50K renown has been created by currently active characters, imagine that members are transferred that together contribute 40K. That renown will be the guild's XP on the new server. And imagine that a player with the remaining 10K renown transfers to another server. The guild loses that 10K renown, as well as all the renown of inactive players.

Guild management is one of the things I'm least happy about about the transfer. My guild is going to lose levels, and it doesn't seem fair to me because the transfer is forced by the company. Thank goodness only my characters contribute renown for the first 150 levels, which are the full buffs. We'll see how many of my guild buddies come to Moonsea (we have an international community, and I think some South Americans might want to go to a US server), and how many vanity levels we retain.
 

MIvan

Uber Completionist
They can also roll toons on the EU server but I don't think it will be that big of a deal in 2025... as they've been playing on US servers all along. In fact they should see an IMPROVEMENT on US 64 bit servers.
I have 170 ping to Cormyr and 100 to Khyber.
70% increase in ping, I wouldn't call this IMPROVEMENT.
 

Anurakh

Little Nixie
You dont feel it is a problem because as you wrote it you and also almost every member of your guildmembers are from the EU. You can move together to the new EU server. My guild is half EU and half US based. If I want a better ping I have to leave my guild where I've been a member and an officer for 8+ years now. I also loose my static group I play daily with. And I am not really happy about that. Of course you can say I can find new guild, new friends which will happen anyways but forcing players to change their 10+ year habits and bonds are not easy to do without bad feelings and sadness.
That's for sure. For me, the worst part of these transfers is breaking up in-game communities and losing friends.
 

Sylvado

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Thank you for your thoughts—I get where you're coming from. Yes, DDO is a business, and infrastructure decisions are based on cost-efficiency and user distribution. But acknowledging that reality doesn't mean we can't also talk about the player experience.

When people express concerns about regional disparities, it's not selfish—it's about fairness. It's not just ping or server proximity. It's also about communication timing, representation, and rollout priority. Europe had to wait longer for clarity, and many feel like an afterthought in the process.

I’m not demanding a server just for me—I’m asking for equal treatment and recognition of legitimate concerns. Just because others deal with high ping or worse conditions doesn’t mean those issues aren’t worth mentioning. That’s how we improve things.

If the goal is to make DDO better for everyone, we should be open to criticism, not label it selfishness.
There will be a server hosted in Europe which is more than you have now, what is the issue?
 

Anurakh

Little Nixie
Not sure if it has been discussed but if anyone plans on trying to reserve a name by creating a new toon on new server with that name and then deleting it once they transfer existing toon with same name at later date you may want to test it on a name you don't care about because according to wiki:
  • Only pristine character names can be considered, so the naming is stricter than upon character creation. Choosing a name that has been already in use for any reason, even if the character bearing it has been deleted, will lead to an error:
This is very important. Are you sure about that?
 

Xaerxiessia

Lost in Translation
After reading this, at first I thought, 'he has a point', which morphed into 'how incredibly selfish.'

DDO is a business. Yes, it's a game we enjoy, but, it's a business. It makes business sense to DDO to consolidate resources in Vegas. They have enough Europe/West Asia business to justify a EU server, so they established one. How about Australia? The Far East? Alaska? Hawaii? What about them? Not enough for their own server. The new servers at a major IT hub, those folks might see a slight improvement though.

Choices have to be made, DDO made them. Some people won, others lost. If you feel like you're losing something, you have a hard decision to make.

(disclaimer: Being in Alaska, and seeing 200-400+ ping regularly, I like the game enough that I adapted. Others can too. It's just a choice.)
GMT------\---To
--------\
From----\
Cormyr (DDO)
Glamdring (Lotro)
-64, US-NV-
Argo, Cannith,
......, Wayfinder
-32, US-
Moonsea (DDO)
Orchrist (Lotro)
-64, NL-
-9/-8West coast(~40)
-7/-6Middle West(~60)120-125
-5East Coast62-64 (pa)7-10 (pa)86-87 (pa)
95-100
-5/-3South America195-215 (br)140-160 (br)
0/-3Africa
0/+1Western EU150-155 (be,uk)
180-190 (it,es)
80-85 (uk)
85-90 (be)
118 (es)
18-22 (uk)
40 (es)
+1/+2Nordic195-210 (fi)98-101 (se)
105-110 (no)
~120 (fi)
~28 (no)
+2/+3Eastern EU~167 (de)
175-185 (ru)
~146 (de)
~156 (hr)
125-135 (ru)
(~60)
+4 /+5Central Asia
+6/+10Asia(~80)
+7/+8South East Asia(~300?)
+9Korea / Japan
+8/+10Aussie / Tassie~200-250 (nsw)~250-300 (nsw)


~? -> more accurate range needed
( ) -> to be confirmed
Feel free to complete !!!!

EDIT : Will be updated when possible, accurate data are very welcome
I would be happy to get such data ! It would be very welcome !
 

Sylvado

Well-known member
You dont feel it is a problem because as you wrote it you and also almost every member of your guildmembers are from the EU. You can move together to the new EU server. My guild is half EU and half US based. If I want a better ping I have to leave my guild where I've been a member and an officer for 8+ years now. I also loose my static group I play daily with. And I am not really happy about that. Of course you can say I can find new guild, new friends which will happen anyways but forcing players to change their 10+ year habits and bonds are not easy to do without bad feelings and sadness.
You are being given a choice of improving your ping or staying with your guild and complaining about it. What alternative would you possibly suggest that is better than that?
 

erethizon1

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There will be a server hosted in Europe which is more than you have now, what is the issue?
That is exactly the issue. Currently we have basically no servers that are regionally specific. This means every server has people from everywhere. Now they are encouraging people to segregate based on location (and it looks like most people plan to do just that). Thus we can expect our current servers and guilds to largely divide themselves based on region. If all you care about is ping then it is great. If you liked playing with people from all over the world you are likely to find that is far less common after the transfers. There are 9 LFM's on Orien right now (2 in the morning west coast, 5 in the morning east coast in America). That will probably not be a case when most of our non-Americans are playing on Moonsea.
 

erethizon1

Well-known member
You are being given a choice of improving your ping or staying with your guild and complaining about it. What alternative would you possibly suggest that is better than that?
Having all servers at the exact same location so that no one is encouraged to leave everyone they know for ping. Even if someone chooses to stay with their guild on a further away server it doesn't mean most of the other people that live near them will do the same. The temptation to follow the ping will end a lot of online friendships as people will likely never meet again.
 

Anurakh

Little Nixie
What is you play experience on Cormyr?
My ping in Cormyr is 190-200, sometimes higher. It's not unplayable, but it's noticeable, especially on things like jumping, High Reaper... I haven't played many raids in Cormyr, but I think it'll be noticeable there too. In lag conditions, that increased ping is also noticeable.

It's not unplayable, but for me, it wasn't a satisfying gaming experience. That's why I'm currently considering moving to Moonsea, although leaving the people I've played with for so long will make me very sad. There's still time to change my mind, but Cormyr's ping doesn't make me happy either.

Anyway, since these transfers are inevitable, I'm trying to be pragmatic and see the positives more than the negatives.
 

MIvan

Uber Completionist
One question about packing (I did not see answered before):
Can unpack on the same server without transfer where packed?
(In case changed my mind about timing of transfer and want to finish something before)
 

Sylvado

Well-known member
You beeing forced to choose. I've transfered all of my toons once from Wafinder to Sarlona but thatvwas my decision. Now it is not the case.
You have a choice to stay with your guild or lower your ping. I am US East so my ping increases regardless, I don't see that as a problem. The only possible compliant I see to this move is the potential loss of character and guild names.
 
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