New (forced) 64 bit servers a monumental let down...

[Jack Jarvis Esquire]

It's been there the whole time. You can log onto it if you want to see how your ping will be.

Tested (though I thought that was your job! ).

I'm c.95ms ping on ship on current server (c.50 toons on, if that makes any difference), going up to c.155 on Cormyr in harbour (c. 70 toons on).

I hope/expect the EU server will provide a fair bit lower than 95 to the UK.

 

[Jack Jarvis Esquire]

Sadly, I doubt it will fix your MM. :(

I do love all these pages upon pages of negative B. S. (I think one thread is up to 30+ pages) about how bad something is that hasn't even happened yet.

MM? I think you may be confusing me with a certain other poster m8...

Now, Magic Fang, OTOH...

 

[Palumtra]

Playing on the US servers from EU will be just like old days: I cast a spell and in 2-5 Business days it goes off.

 

[Buddha5440]

MM? I think you may be confusing me with a certain other poster m8...

Now, Magic Fang, OTOH...

Sorry...Senior moment. Although, for all I know, your MM may be messed up as well.

That's what I get for balancing my checkbook while perusing the forums...multi-tasking can cause problems even with a 16-core processor.

 

[Jack Jarvis Esquire]

Sorry...Senior moment. Although, for all I know, your MM may be messed up as well.

That's what I get for balancing my checkbook while perusing the forums...multi-tasking can cause problems even with a 16-core processor.

I was flattered to be confused with such illustrious and determined company!

 

[tsotate]

My comment is based directly how things play out on the 32-bit worlds vs Cormyr; there's an observable difference for some stuff for me. Pop onto Cormyr and try things for yourself, maybe it'll do nothing for you or maybe you'll notice it's better (just better, it's an old game, don't expect perfection, just attempts to make things better bit by bit).

While I think the 64-bit servers are likely to be better, I don't think current Cormyr is a great example — it doesn't have the characters with all past lives and other stuff that got jammed into a Feat structure that was never designed for such things. Current Cormyr is like how HC (once past the first couple of days) was much less laggy than main.

Will future Cormyr (and the other new servers) still be lag free? Possibly! I hope so. I just don't think we have reason to expect it

 

[TedSandyman]

new 64 bit server is the best thing for DDO and players for many obvious reasons when you stop being toxic for everything devs are saying or doing

Maybe.

You know, calling someone toxic is, itself, toxic.

But for me, I get my latency doubled with no real benefit. The only toxic thing I see here is people being labeled toxic for simply saying the truth.

My game played just fine before. I personally have never really had lag issues. Yeah, some updates caused lag, but they were soon fixed. Occasionally a network blip will cause some lag, but I have played nearly continuously for over 10 years and loved the game the entire time.

So forgive me if this "obvious" change has me a little worried, especially with the track record of the developers releasing content without really testing that content thoroughly.

The only real difference that I will see from this move is, assuming all the new servers have the same latency as Cormyr, is an increase from 40ms to 90ms. Will that be noticeable? I wont know till I get there. And by then it will be too late.

The game plays just fine for me now. Will it play better after the move? I don't know. Maybe. But to risk losing my gear, losing my characters, losing my tomes, losing my guild, losing my names, losing all I have built up over these years is a real concern and I would appreciate people understanding my and others concern over this.

My preference would be that you go live your life on the 64-bit servers and leave me here on my 32-bit server to continue playing as I have done for over 10 years with no problems at all. I can guarantee you that not moving wont cause me any extra grief. If you move, you are tossing the die.

I hope you don't lose everything. I am sure you can get it all back if you do. I am sure because customer support has been so very, very good for the last few years. If you do lose everything, you will probably get it back ... eventually ... maybe.

 

[Sylvado]

Maybe.

You know, calling someone toxic is, itself, toxic.

But for me, I get my latency doubled with no real benefit. The only toxic thing I see here is people being labeled toxic for simply saying the truth.

My game played just fine before. I personally have never really had lag issues. Yeah, some updates caused lag, but they were soon fixed. Occasionally a network blip will cause some lag, but I have played nearly continuously for over 10 years and loved the game the entire time.

So forgive me if this "obvious" change has me a little worried, especially with the track record of the developers releasing content without really testing that content thoroughly.

The only real difference that I will see from this move is, assuming all the new servers have the same latency as Cormyr, is an increase from 40ms to 90ms. Will that be noticeable? I wont know till I get there. And by then it will be too late.

The game plays just fine for me now. Will it play better after the move? I don't know. Maybe. But to risk losing my gear, losing my characters, losing my tomes, losing my guild, losing my names, losing all I have built up over these years is a real concern and I would appreciate people understanding my and others concern over this.

My preference would be that you go live your life on the 64-bit servers and leave me here on my 32-bit server to continue playing as I have done for over 10 years with no problems at all. I can guarantee you that not moving wont cause me any extra grief. If you move, you are tossing the die.

I hope you don't lose everything. I am sure you can get it all back if you do. I am sure because customer support has been so very, very good for the last few years. If you do lose everything, you will probably get it back ... eventually ... maybe.

Have you even tried playing on Cormyr, you have an opportunity to test, why not use it?

 

[Vua]

Have you even tried playing on Cormyr, you have an opportunity to test, why not use it?

He did say assuming the new servers have the same latency as Cormyr, he'd be going from 40ms to 90ms. I took that as he already tested it. Honestly I'm in the same boat he is. All I'm getting out of this is increased latency as well. I don't get lag except for instances where everyone gets it, but if these instances are removed or lowered in frequency it may be worth it. I will be checking on Cormyr to see what it's like for me.

 

[TedSandyman]

Imagine you have lived in your house for many years and really love it.

Then one day, the builder comes in and says, "We are going to go through and remodel your house to make all the hallways bigger."

And you say "No thanks. I like it the way it is."

And the builder says, "Well you will like the new wider hallways better."

And you say, "But I really don't want to put up with all the bother of the remodel. The house is just fine. I love the house and I want to stay in the house and I don't want to go through all the trouble. I am afraid you will break my stuff. And I am not even sure wider halls will be any better in the long run. I mean, yeah, it will be better for when I throw parties, but I don't really throw many parties. So if it's all the same to you, I will just stay in my old house."

To which the builder replies, "That isn't an option. Upgrade or go live in the woods."

Even as I type this, I am reminded of the Breath-O-Smart system in The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy series.

"But what if we want to open the windows, for just a little bit?"
"With the Breath-O-Smart system, you wont WANT the windows open, even for just a little bit."

The whole point is the upgrading of technology, for the sake of upgrading, even if the upgrade wont really improve things, and will, most likely, make things worse, possibly a lot worse, in the long run.

 

[Sylvado]

Imagine you have lived in your house for many years and really love it.

Then one day, the builder comes in and says, "We are going to go through and remodel your house to make all the hallways bigger."

And you say "No thanks. I like it the way it is."

And the builder says, "Well you will like the new wider hallways better."

And you say, "But I really don't want to put up with all the bother of the remodel. The house is just fine. I love the house and I want to stay in the house and I don't want to go through all the trouble. I am afraid you will break my stuff. And I am not even sure wider halls will be any better in the long run. I mean, yeah, it will be better for when I throw parties, but I don't really throw many parties. So if it's all the same to you, I will just stay in my old house."

To which the builder replies, "That isn't an option. Upgrade or go live in the woods."

Even as I type this, I am reminded of the Breath-O-Smart system in The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy series.

"But what if we want to open the windows, for just a little bit?"
"With the Breath-O-Smart system, you wont WANT the windows open, even for just a little bit."

The whole point is the upgrading of technology, for the sake of upgrading, even if the upgrade wont really improve things, and will, most likely, make things worse, possibly a lot worse, in the long run.

You don't own anything in DDO, you rent a right to use it. If you are renting an apartment and the landlord makes changes you get changes.
Also, don't discount the need to upgrade technology as the old technology becomes deprecated.

 

[TedSandyman]

Have you even tried playing on Cormyr, you have an opportunity to test, why not use it?

Mainly because "testing" at this point wont tell you anything at all.

Running on a nearly empty server with brand new characters who don't have a lot of past lives and not very much in the way of bank space or tr caches will not compare even a little bit to how the server will run fully loaded.

Of course Cormyr seems like a dream come true now. Fully loaded, I don't think anyone knows how it will work.

So if any of you "rah, rah, lets go Cormyr" people out there are reading this, let me warn you that you don't really know. You are singing its praises now, but you just are in a little bubble of ignorance.

My extra 50ms of latency might not be so bad now on Cormyr, but might make the game unplayable when the server is full.

I say a lot of "mights" in here. That is the problem. I just don't know. And I can almost guarantee you that none of you really KNOW either.

 

[TedSandyman]

You don't own anything in DDO, you rent a right to use it. If you are renting an apartment and the landlord makes changes you get changes.
Also, don't discount the need to upgrade technology as the old technology becomes deprecated.

I know I don't own anything. I am completely at the mercy of a company who has a long history of untested, buggy releases and very poor customer support (and I still love the game).

If you don't trust the landlord to do the right thing, you might just be a little sceptical.

As a matter of fact, I don't really understand why more people aren't more sceptical in this situation. Have all of you all of a sudden decided to trust ssg to do the right thing and support you in a timely manner through any technical difficulties?

 

[Ying]

Well let's come at this from a technical aspect.

Will the 64 bit servers improve graphics? No.
Will the 64 bit servers fix the giant lag monster that has been plaguing this game for nearly two decades? NO.
Will the 64 bit servers address the plethora of bugs that have gone ignored for many many years (i.e. the ladder bug). Most definitely NO!.

Players have been asking for server consolidation for *many* years because the current server populations are too low. They got what they wanted.

Cormyr has demonstrated that the additional server resources does mitigate lag to a degree. Is it gone? Not by a long shot. I don't know what lag is like on your server, but on Argo it is soul crushing. Good luck trying to do TON or DOV without stutter stepping through it, or instantly dying when the server ticks catch up and process all of Karilith's stacks at once.

 

[Reifee - Orien]

64 bit servers can support larger populations.

The differences your seeing in performance is related to the game is caculating more stuff.

Its now doing Epics, Legendary, enhancement trees etc.

thats All overhead.

Newer servers are a good thing, I'm really not sure what all this doom and gloom is about.

 

[danzig138]

Newer servers are a good thing, I'm really not sure what all this doom and gloom is about.

Lack of implementing a proper snap to grid for the toolbars near as I can reckon.