Overlapping Class / Race Enhancements & Enhancements Beyond LVL 20

[VirginiaCreeper]

Hello DDO. Novice Player Here,

Playing a LVL 12 Rgr / Dark Hunter / Half-Elf.

Part 1
In the Arcane Archer (Elf) Tree, there is an enhancement called "Awareness". In the Dark Hunter (Rgr) the same enhancement exists and I can select it at the same time in both trees.

Questions:
1. Is there a benefit from one to another?
2. Can I keep selecting both (DH / RGR is 0/3) (AA / ELF is 2/3) and pump up my character even more? Or once I get to 3/3 will the other cease to be a choice?

Part 2
A. In the Arcane Archer (ELF) Tree, the last Core enhancement is "Mystical Archer". You have to be "level 25" to get this enhancement (40 ap spent in tree), but if I understand correctly, you don't get any more action points after level 20. Most final core enhancements also require a specific pure class (lvl 20 rgr), but this one does not.

B. I think I also understand that, if I'm trying to max imbues, I should take levels in Paladin and Rogue. But I may have already screwed that up by taking too many (18) in my Half-Elf race enhancements. I currently have all Primal Energy imbue dice (Dark Hunter), and 3 tiers of corrosive arrows / elemental damage, but need 30 pts spent in the AA (ELF) tree to get all imbues. However, I find a lot of the enhancements in the AA tree to be kind of useless, so a bit frustrated that I have to spend all those action points to get the imbues.

Questions:
1. Do I (can I) hold spending action points past level 20 so I can get Mystical Archer?
2. In order to make my character the most effective for attack/damage as a ranged fighter, should I take levels in Paladin and Rogue for the imbues?
3. If you are selecting between Dark Hunter (Rgr) / Arcane Archer (Elf) / Half-Elf Race enhancements, what combination of enhancements would you take Hunter in the Dark (pure-class) over Mystical Archer (possible multi-class options) and which tier 5 enhancements would you prefer in either Dark Hunter or Arcane Archer?

Thanks for the help!

 

[WielderofGigantus]

Part 1:
Answer 1: Both Awareness enhancements should stack with each other.
Answer 2: Unless the enhancement has the other as an anti-requisite, you should be able to take both.

Part 2:
Answer 1: You don't have to not spend your action points. You can just reset your action points when reach high enough level to unlock that core enhancement and then respend them.

Answer 2: Multiclassing locks you out of the Capstones of your main class (the 6th core ability), as well as any other abilities your class may grant at level 20. It is up to you to decide if it is worth losing out on the higher level abilities and core enhancements to gain other abilities and enhancements of other classes. That said, a lot of missile weapon users pick up 2 levels of Paladin in order to get another ranged AoE attack.

Answer 3: As a Bow-using Dark Hunter, I put enough points into the Dark Hunter to get the dog, and then put the rest of my points into the Deepwood Stalker tree, as it is much stronger for bow attacks. So you may want to consider abandoning the Dark Hunter tree considering you're likely running low on action points since you have to spend 14 AP to unlock Elf AA.

 

[norriskwondo]

Part 1:
Answer 1: Both Awareness enhancements should stack with each other.
Answer 2: Unless the enhancement has the other as an anti-requisite, you should be able to take both.

Part 2:
Answer 1: You don't have to not spend your action points. You can just reset your action points when reach high enough level to unlock that core enhancement and then respend them.

Answer 2: Multiclassing locks you out of the Capstones of your main class (the 6th core ability), as well as any other abilities your class may grant at level 20. It is up to you to decide if it is worth losing out on the higher level abilities and core enhancements to gain other abilities and enhancements of other classes. That said, a lot of missile weapon users pick up 2 levels of Paladin in order to get another ranged AoE attack.

Answer 3: As a Bow-using Dark Hunter, I put enough points into the Dark Hunter to get the dog, and then put the rest of my points into the Deepwood Stalker tree, as it is much stronger for bow attacks. So you may want to consider abandoning the Dark Hunter tree considering you're likely running low on action points since you have to spend 14 AP to unlock Elf AA.

That, and if you want an archer based dark hunter (for locks and traps) if you have access to Horizon Walker Universal tree that will give you conjuring returning arrows and some other archer based enhancements that helps make up for lost enhancements in the Arcane Archer tree. Doesn't replace them, just helps with it missing.

 

[VirginiaCreeper]

That, and if you want an archer based dark hunter (for locks and traps) if you have access to Horizon Walker Universal tree that will give you conjuring returning arrows and some other archer based enhancements that helps make up for lost enhancements in the Arcane Archer tree. Doesn't replace them, just helps with it missing.

How do you get access to the Horizon Walker Universal Tree as a Dark Hunter? Do you think the imbues you lose with the AA tree is worth taking the Horizon Walker Tree?

 

[VirginiaCreeper]

Part 1:
Answer 1: Both Awareness enhancements should stack with each other.
Answer 2: Unless the enhancement has the other as an anti-requisite, you should be able to take both.

Part 2:
Answer 1: You don't have to not spend your action points. You can just reset your action points when reach high enough level to unlock that core enhancement and then respend them.

Answer 2: Multiclassing locks you out of the Capstones of your main class (the 6th core ability), as well as any other abilities your class may grant at level 20. It is up to you to decide if it is worth losing out on the higher level abilities and core enhancements to gain other abilities and enhancements of other classes. That said, a lot of missile weapon users pick up 2 levels of Paladin in order to get another ranged AoE attack.

Answer 3: As a Bow-using Dark Hunter, I put enough points into the Dark Hunter to get the dog, and then put the rest of my points into the Deepwood Stalker tree, as it is much stronger for bow attacks. So you may want to consider abandoning the Dark Hunter tree considering you're likely running low on action points since you have to spend 14 AP to unlock Elf AA.

I did the same as you in a way: In the DH tree I have filled up on Dark Wolf, Wolf Hide, Furor of the Hunter, and Primal Energy to get the imbues. I've only taken Far Shot in DS and the rest is in AA as I try to max up with the imbues. Maybe I'm overly focused on imbues? I've heard in other threads that was the best way to max out on damage overall. What is your thought on imbues vs. class enhancements and their benefits other than imbues?

 

[WielderofGigantus]

How do you get access to the Horizon Walker Universal Tree as a Dark Hunter? Do you think the imbues you lose with the AA tree is worth taking the Horizon Walker Tree?

Anyone can gain access to the Horizon Walker tree. You first have to unlock it per character by gaining 400 favor with the Gatekeepers, or just purchase it from the DDO store to unlock it for all your characters.

I can't answer about losing the imbue dice, as I've never played an AA before. I made up some builds for an AA, but I haven't gotten around to playing one yet.

 

[WielderofGigantus]

What is your thought on imbues vs. class enhancements and their benefits other than imbues?

Sorry, but that answer is really for those people who do the math.

I aim for imbues when I can, and make up the difference with filigrees, but I don't have the answer.

 

[Greywolf]

If you are using Shiradi Mantle, there is a big boost in mantle damage per 7x imbue dice. So if you are using that, try to get your imbue dice up to 7, 14, or 21. You can view the number of imbue dice you have on your character sheet, + tab on the right, general combat.

 

[Bjond]

If you're running into issues "bobbing & weaving" on multiclass level picks, I highly recommend using Maetrim's Builder.

You can lay out all the gear and levels in advance offline, tweak them about to get what you want, then simply log on and have fun playing with your plan all ready to go -- no online dithering.

 

[norriskwondo]

Anyone can gain access to the Horizon Walker tree. You first have to unlock it per character by gaining 400 favor with the Gatekeepers, or just purchase it from the DDO store to unlock it for all your characters.

I can't answer about losing the imbue dice, as I've never played an AA before. I made up some builds for an AA, but I haven't gotten around to playing one yet.

It's a universal tree. If you have access to it, you just scroll down on one of your empty enhancement tree slots and select it. You can have up to 6 active enhancement trees at a time.

 

[VirginiaCreeper]

If you are using Shiradi Mantle, there is a big boost in mantle damage per 7x imbue dice. So if you are using that, try to get your imbue dice up to 7, 14, or 21. You can view the number of imbue dice you have on your character sheet, + tab on the right, general combat.

Thanks! Looks like I have 7 bonus Imbue Dice.

 

[VirginiaCreeper]

If you're running into issues "bobbing & weaving" on multiclass level picks, I highly recommend using Maetrim's Builder.

You can lay out all the gear and levels in advance offline, tweak them about to get what you want, then simply log on and have fun playing with your plan all ready to go -- no online dithering.

Thank you - I downloaded that before this thread and haven't dove in yet, but opened it up and it's pretty complex. I have to do some more research to make sure I'm using it properly.

 

[Bjond]

Thank you - I downloaded that before this thread and haven't dove in yet, but opened it up and it's pretty complex. I have to do some more research to make sure I'm using it properly.

The one tip I have would be to copy the .ini from the old version to the new one when you upgrade. It took me a fair effort to get the UI layout setup in a way I like. So, it was nice to be able to preserve it.